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McDavid heating up, what are odds on 150 points this season?
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Video Nasty
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Brother, I said full season.
56 games scheduled, 56 games played. Just the second 100% Hart win in league history. Much more of a full season than any of 2010-2011 through 2012-2013 that are common topics on this forum.
And just pretending that any of McDavid’s other “normal” seasons are clearly lesser than 2013-2014 is just faulty to begin with. We might as well just include McDavid’s sophomore season where he won his first Art Ross over 29 year old Crosby as just as dominant. After all, games played for other players don’t matter for 2013-2014 so why should they in 2016-2017 when McDavid was the only one to top 90 points (he had 100) and directly downed Crosby and just 6 other players topped 77 points?
Sorry bud, if McDavid sweeps every award this season and does so while potting 60+ goals, 140+ points, it’s over.
Enjoy the final few months of being able to spin any of Crosby’s seasons as vaguely better with something resembling an argument.
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Include that season if you wish, the rest you're just arguing with yourself, as usual. Now it's 140 points. Not so confident about 150 anymore?
He’s still on pace for 151, weird time to flex this.
Here's a tip for the future, try actually arguing against things people said rather than conjuring up strawman and acting like you're the voice of reason. You don't like that Crosby has been just as dominant as McDavid on a points per game basis after the same amount of games in any regular season and in their careers up to the same point (whether McDavid continues his pace or not is almost completely irrelevant as I fully expect him to score around 140 or so and that wouldn't change a single thing I've been debating).
His 56 game season was more dominant, but we also never got to see how Crosby would perform under those cirucmstances. For the record I think there's a good chance McDavid would perform better anyway because being able to go all out with his speed for a shorter time is probably more conducive to achieving that type of dominance more so than the intradivisional schedule itself. Besides the fact that we disagree that this season makes McDavid a clear step above Crosby it's also irrelevant because I was never arguing for or against this season anyway, at the end of the day it doesn't make a lot of difference or tell us much about the ability of the two players at same stage of their careers.
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It doesn't exactly take a genius to see that McDavid isn't in another tier of offensive ability than Crosby here. If you can't accept that that's fine but don't go on like you're the one being objective and that others are the ones who aren't enjoying the greatness that's taking place. I'd hate to see the look on your face if McDavid "only" scores 135 points or something.
If McDavid only scores 135 points then I guess he should have made sure he missed 3/4s of the season so we could enter Penguin fantasy land.Here's a tip for the future, try actually arguing against things people said rather than conjuring up strawman and acting like you're the voice of reason. You don't like that Crosby has been just as dominant as McDavid on a points per game basis after the same amount of games in any regular season and in their careers up to the same point (whether McDavid continues his pace or not is almost completely irrelevant as I fully expect him to score around 140 or so and that wouldn't change a single thing I've been debating).
His 56 game season was more dominant, but we also never got to see how Crosby would perform under those cirucmstances. For the record I think there's a good chance McDavid would perform better anyway because being able to go all out with his speed for a shorter time is probably more conducive to achieving that type of dominance more so than the intradivisional schedule itself. Besides the fact that we disagree that this season makes McDavid a clear step above Crosby it's also irrelevant because I was never arguing for or against this season anyway, at the end of the day it doesn't make a lot of difference or tell us much about the ability of the two players at same stage of their careers.
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It doesn't exactly take a genius to see that McDavid isn't in another tier of offensive ability than Crosby here. If you can't accept that that's fine but don't go on like you're the one being objective and that others are the ones who aren't enjoying the greatness that's taking place. I'd hate to see the look on your face if McDavid "only" scores 135 points or something.
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The fact Crosby played fewer games than his competition might boost his dominance a little bit, but we're talking about a 179 games sample, not 22.
Those 22 games of McDavid are part of his overall PPG just like Crosby's 2012 season is.
When the time comes I'm sure he'll have his regrets. Afterall he knows (and cares deeply about) how much you guys wanna enter Penguin fantasy land.
You did notice how much McDavid's ppg jumped if he missed 60 games, however since he played the full season, there was time for his ppg to drop. In '10-'11 Crosby had an amazing 25 game hot streak where he scored 50 points, the other 16 games he managed 16 points. This isn't a case of missing 10 games per year, this is missing 60 and 40 games, where one hot stretch can completely inflate your ppg. Just to illustrate, take away that 25 game hot streak, and his ppg goes from 1.47 to 1.38.
You're either rewarding Crosby for missing so many games, or punishing McDavid for playing full seasons.
You out of all people are chiming in?
Shouldn't you worry more about your precious 8 goals Huberdeau who has less goals than Klim Kostin?
Typical of you to try another bash attempt in a thread involving the Oilers
Video Nasty
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Personally, I think he’s hitting 65 goals/150 points.
Plenty confident. He’s been scoring at 1.61 PPG clip for the past 362 games, which is January 1, 2018 through today, officially over 5 years real time, consecutively. Falling back to that for the remainder of this season sees him finish with 143 points.
Not too hard to imagine him putting up just 7 extra points or keeping up his current pace for the season.
I hope he scores as much as humanly possible, and 150 is totally possible (I'll stick with somewhere closer to 140 though as I think he's bound to have a down period somewhere) I doubt he gets 65 goals but only time will tell. I'll say High 50s with a definite chance of 60.
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It doesn't exactly take a genius to see that McDavid isn't in another tier of offensive ability than Crosby here. If you can't accept that that's fine but don't go on like you're the one being objective and that others are the ones who aren't enjoying the greatness that's taking place. I'd hate to see the look on your face if McDavid "only" scores 135 points or something.
Yet McDavid will have 5 Art Rosses, 3 Harts, 4 Lindsays, a Rocket, 100 more games played, 180+ more points, 6 100+ point seasons, 7 consecutive top 2 scoring finishes in terms of both raw points and PPG by the completion of these start of career through 8 seasons links you posted.
Don’t come at me talking about small sample sizes from Crosby and asking me to be blown out of my socks when compared to someone like McDavid who has been the machine I previously expected Crosby to be, before he lost scoring races to the likes of Benn, Tavares, and Kane inside his 20s.
The fact of the matter is, Crosby never had two complete halves in a single season where he averaged 1.5+ PPG, something McDavid has been doing for about 5 years non-stop.
If McDavid finishes with 135 points, I guess that means he played 74 games. I think it would be fair to assume he scores 150 at that point, especially if some are so intent on giving full credit to Crosby for missing as many games as possible and never quite proving he had the ability to post monster seasons consistently.
Congrats on not knowing how plus minus works.
Nice drive by attempt that only ended up embarrassing yourself
That has as much to do with scoring eras as anything else. McDavid has had more cracks at that in his prime with better health and higher scoring seasons. Again I agree with you going forward we will see McDavid continue to score very close to what he's been doing for the forseeable future as long as he doesn't sustain an injury that permanently impacts his level of play like Crosby's wrist injury in 2014.
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Crosby - 538 GP, +116
McDavid - 538 GP, +95
One of those guys was on a team that went to the playoffs 6 times and was good enough to get the the SC finals twice and win once.
The other is on a team that only made the playoffs 4 times and never on a team good enough to make the SC finals.
Average +/- of Crosbys 5 best point scoring seasons: +9
Average +/- of McDavids 5 best point scoring seasons: +19.8
But ya, McDavid is a defensive liability.
Cmon man, be better.
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Speed. He does everything Mario did, but faster. And he backchecks, whereas Mario barely came back into his own end.
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If we take away Crosby's hot streak, shall we take away McDavid's hot streaks too?
Besides, if you play fewer games, you may get on a hot streak, but you may also get on a cold streak, each of which will count disproportionately. 179 games is still a decent sample size.
And on top of all this, it is notorious and pretty clear from the eye test that 2011 Crosby was the best form we ever seen him play. It was his absolute peak. It's very possible he would have kept up a great pace, higher than his other seasons.
In 2011, Crosby played 41 games. In 2021, McDavid played 56 games, in a weird Canadian division to boot. Each case have their questions marks, but it remains that even if you drop Crosby's PPG to 1.38, he is still far and away ahead of everyone else in that stretch.
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