Speculation: Mcdavid and Eichel Contracts

[danielpalfredsson]

Eichel is getting at least 8M per year, he really isn't that different skill-wise from McDavid as you guys claim.

Honestly I'd rather have the player who's marginally worse offensively who happens to play a way bigger physical game

Look at the contracts other first overall types get out of their ELC. Eichel is grouped with them, not with McDavid. Eichel is an amazing player, but he isn't in McDavid's league. They are only linked together because the Eichel vs McDavid angle was pushed so hard when in reality 99 percent of people felt McDavid was much better than Eichel.

Eichel will get under 7. Keep in mind, Stamkos got 7.5 on a 65M cap after putting up 45/50 goals and 90+ points in his last two seasons of his ELC. Odds are, Eichel doesn't touch those numbers.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

that's part of the reason why crosby didn't get max from pittsburgh.

Part of the reason Crosby is at such a low cap hit is because they deliberately structured his first deal off of his ELC to end before the 2012 NHL lockout so that Crosby could take advantage of the CBA before the NHL went into a lockout and "fixed" it.

His AAV would be one of the highest of all forwards in the league if he had waited for the new CBA to sign. The first 8 years of his deal come in around 10.5. Granted, I guess you're right about money being left on the table because that would still be a bargain for the best player in the league, but I don't think it is realistic to expect McDavid's cap hits to ever be as low as Crosby's relative to the cap since there were extenuating circumstances with Crosby's contract.

 

[snipes]

McD will be offer sheeted, will pick the team he wants to play for and there's nothing the Oilers can do about it.

With all the losing and FO the Oilers will be in cap he'll shortly while at this moment, that isn't even a playoff team.

Max sheet and the Oilers blow up what little they have to keep McD, or, keep a decent team and take more picks.

I see McD as the type of person who will just tell the Oilers to let him leave and follow his dream of being a champion and enjoy the time they had him.

Adorable .

McDavid will sign after next season before his ELC is up and it will be for 8 years and "fill in the number you want Connor". Easiest negotiation imaginable. I doubt it will be for more than 10M+, he's a loyal and humble team first kind of kid. He's the type of player that cares more about leaving a legacy and winning Stanley Cups. He's a student of the game and very knowledgeable about the history of our sport. He'll be an Oiler his entire career.

Eichel should be paid handsomely as well. Eichel will be a top 5 player in the NHL very soon, I know myself and many Oiler fans really like Eichels game.

As I've said before, the McDavid comparisons do a disservice to Eichel. Just let Jack be Jack. Jack deserves his own attention and credit, he's a special player. Very exciting player to watch.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Buffalo with Eichel more likely with him and Reinhart do a Kane and Toews. I can see them getting a 5 yr contract taking them to the end of ROR/Okposo contracts then they get 6-8 yr contracts.

A 5 year contract would only buy 1 UFA year. Would be a very stupid way to manage our most valuable assets.

 

[snipes]

A 5 year contract would only buy 1 UFA year. Would be a very stupid way to manage our most valuable assets.

He'll get max term.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

If McDavid turns out to be productive and he manages to find a way to drag the Oilers towards the playoffs, he's going to want 10 or more if he's going to sign a long term deal that eats into free agency.

I would expect that he'll push for a 4 year $34 million dollar bridge deal.

 

[Datsyukiam13]

In 2 more years McDavid will be the best player in the NHL, and he will be paid as the best player in the NHL.

 

[Seachd]

Well that would just simply not happen though lol

I'd say it's just as likely as McDavid being available for an offer sheet.

Which is also probably as likely as him signing a 4 year deal.

 

[I Like Foolish Posts]

If McDavid turns out to be productive and he manages to find a way to drag the Oilers towards the playoffs, he's going to want 10 or more if he's going to sign a long term deal that eats into free agency.

I would expect that he'll push for a 4 year $34 million dollar bridge deal.

Of course YOU would expect that, except that's an opinion that has no basis in reality. Connor will most likely sign a long term deal with the Oilers.

 

[Menzinger]

GMs would be better off giving them a 2 year bridge deal and then giving them big money long term.

They might as well at least try to get some advantage of them being RFAs. It would also allow them to eat up more Free agency years once they sign their longer deals.

 

[M2Beezy]

I'm predicting 70-75 for mcdavid, and 60-65 for eichel.

Too lo

McDavid 90-105
Jeichel 65-75

Then after that Jeichel closes the gap but Mcdavid still CLEARLY better

 

[Mr Positive]

Part of the reason Crosby is at such a low cap hit is because they deliberately structured his first deal off of his ELC to end before the 2012 NHL lockout so that Crosby could take advantage of the CBA before the NHL went into a lockout and "fixed" it.

His AAV would be one of the highest of all forwards in the league if he had waited for the new CBA to sign. The first 8 years of his deal come in around 10.5. Granted, I guess you're right about money being left on the table because that would still be a bargain for the best player in the league, but I don't think it is realistic to expect McDavid's cap hits to ever be as low as Crosby's relative to the cap since there were extenuating circumstances with Crosby's contract.

I think you are mistaken about the Crosby deal. His current deal was the one that was quickly signed to take advantage of the old CBA, but that wasn't his 2nd contract. His 2nd deal was a 8.7AAV for 5 years that ended in UFA status. I would totally agree that a UFA McDavid would not get such a sweet deal as Crosby's current contract.

There is another factor with McDavid though. The guy is a student of hockey. He's a very humble and professional guy. He follows stats and likely knows all about cap issues and all that. I think he would give us a bit of a break for the good of the team. We will pay him whatever it takes, but I bet he will get quite a bit less than those huge UFA deals out there now.

 

[6ix]

McDavid has the oilers by the balls, he's gunna cash in (12+mill a year) and worry about winning a cup on his second 8 year deal when he's in his late 20's and picks a contender to sign with.

 

[Connor]

McDavid has the oilers by the balls, he's gunna cash in (12+mill a year) and worry about winning a cup on his second 8 year deal when he's in his late 20's and picks a contender to sign with.

This exact same scenario can be applied to Matthews and the Leafs

 

[Rebuilt]

Just as Ekblad did this year, Mcdavid and Eichel can sign extensions as soon as July 1st, 2017.

What do you see each of them getting.

I'd predict 8.5 x 8 for Mcdavid, and 7 x 8 for Eichel.

It seems very high, but those two are special players.

I suspect it will be 12 x 8 for Mc David and depending on how Eichel plays 10x8 if he is striding towards his ceiling.

 

[Connor]

I suspect it will be 12 x 8 for Mc David and depending on how Eichel plays 10x8 if he is striding towards his ceiling.

If the term is 8 years I see it as this pending he has a better and fuller upcoming season;

Minimum cap hit over 8 years: 9.7

Maximum cap hit over 8 years: 12.5

I've been projecting it somewhere in the middle at 11 mi per over 8 which would make him the highest paid player in the NHL.

 

[scrubadam]

If you are going to pay these guys so much why forego the bridge? The whole point of signing a big deal off of an ELC is to get some cap savings by paying for potential. Might as well take advantage of their limited leverage and sign them to a bridge and benefit from a low cap hit and then sign them for to the big contracts 2 years later.

 

[93LEAFS]

McDavid will get 8x10.5, he's that good. Eichel will get 8x8.

 

[Connor]

If you are going to pay these guys so much why forego the bridge? The whole point of signing a big deal off of an ELC is to get some cap savings by paying for potential. Might as well take advantage of their limited leverage and sign them to a bridge and benefit from a low cap hit and then sign them for to the big contracts 2 years later.

I totally agree with you in what you say makes sense BUT...

Players like McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Crosby are THE franchise player. Teams aren't going to want to battle with them, they are going to give them a pen and let them fill in the blank but remind them that this is their team and for every extra dollar you take it will be one dollar less going to a player that will help your team win.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Mcdavid is going to get 10m per year easily.

 

[Roof Daddy]

Over 8 years that's a lot of money being left on the table.

The highest paid players - Toews and Kane - are making 10.5 per. While I feel peak McDavid should (and most likely will) be better than those players, their contracts were signed covering all UFA years. An 8 year extension with McDavid only gives up 4 UFA years. Then you factor in that those two are face of the franchise players on the closest thing we may see to a dynasty in the cap era, and no, I don't think McDavid is leaving a ton on the table.

That's without actually considering the person. As I said in my previous post, this is a kid who is close friends with Tavares - a guy who signed 6 years, 33 mil after his ELC, stating he took a team friendly deal to help management build a contender. McDavid's a different type of player. He'd also still be a UFA at age 29 after an 8 year deal.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

If he is over ppg this year. 9.7 x8 and call er a day

 

[McVespa99]

I think you meant McDavid >= Eichel

Seriously though if Eichel went 1st rather than McDavid, his value would be a lot higher than McDavid's, that's pretty much the only reason why people say he's way better (yes I agree, McDavid is slightly better offensively) but that placement in the draft really affects this thread..

Your overthinking this. MacDavid is just better. Which shockingly is why he went first.

 

[Inno]

This exact same scenario can be applied to Matthews and the Leafs

Matthews in the same league as McDizzy, o rly ?

 

[liquiduck]

The highest paid players - Toews and Kane - are making 10.5 per. While I feel peak McDavid should (and most likely will) be better than those players, their contracts were signed covering all UFA years. An 8 year extension with McDavid only gives up 4 UFA years. Then you factor in that those two are face of the franchise players on the closest thing we may see to a dynasty in the cap era, and no, I don't think McDavid is leaving a ton on the table.

That's without actually considering the person. As I said in my previous post, this is a kid who is close friends with Tavares - a guy who signed 6 years, 33 mil after his ELC, stating he took a team friendly deal to help management build a contender. McDavid's a different type of player. He'd also still be a UFA at age 29 after an 8 year deal.

That's mostly a bunch of fluff that speaks nothing about what his market value will be. Maybe, juust maybe EDM can get him signed before his ElC is up, if not he's going to get at least Kane/toews money. Especially now with this new trend to kill the bridge deal and pay almost UFA prices for young talent coming off their ELC's. If he produces like everyone expects, he could be the highest paid player in the league in two years no problem. Maybe he takes a discount, but he's a pro athlete. Loyalty is a rarity in today's game.