Maybe Tavares is the problem
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Racer88
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Nothing will ever change as long as those 5 are all on the team
Only 5 players remain.
The core 5.
The only constant through 7 years of playoff failure.
Everything around them has been changed - including the coach and general manager.
As long as they remain - nothing has really changed.
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Someone on r/leafs posted the playoff stats of the last 60 years of playoff numbers recently, and it really put into stark contrast just how poorly Tavares has performed. His numbers for what he's being paid are abysmal in the postseason.
I went back to 1970-71 when Sittler broke into the league and was the Leafs first star in the post-expansion era. In terms of raw points over those 53 postseasons, Tavares ranks 21st among Leafs. Now granted, that's unfair as some guys have played more than twice as many games as him. However when it comes to points-per-game, among players who have played at least two 7 game series worth of games (14) Tavares ranks an even worse 25th.
That's not only behind our current crop of stars like Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Rielly (a defenseman!), or our stars of yesteryear like Gilmour, Sittler, McDonald, Clark, Sundin, Keon, and Turnbull (another defenseman!), it's also behind lesser stars and role players like Anderson, Thomas, Gartner, Berezin, and Van Riemsdyk.
For $11 million a year John should not be just barely above half a point-per-game in the playoffs (0.63 to be exact). He at least should be matching the PPG pace of Nylander and Roberts (both at 0.80). John suffers the biggest points pace drop off of the core players, dropping 0.32 points from 0.95 in the regular season to 0.63 in the playoffs. For comparison, Matthews drops 0.28 points, Marner drops 0.23, Nylander drops .09, and Rielly actually improves going from 0.68 in the regular season to 0.70 in the playoffs.
Regardless of everything else, when it comes down to it Tavares has simply not produced enough in the playoffs. For a player of his skill and stature, it's been a tremendous disappointment. The guy that was supposed to put this team into true contender status has simply failed to perform when the games matter most. He's not solely responsible for this teams many failures, but he hasn't helped matters all that much either.
I went back to 1970-71 when Sittler broke into the league and was the Leafs first star in the post-expansion era. In terms of raw points over those 53 postseasons, Tavares ranks 21st among Leafs. Now granted, that's unfair as some guys have played more than twice as many games as him. However when it comes to points-per-game, among players who have played at least two 7 game series worth of games (14) Tavares ranks an even worse 25th.
That's not only behind our current crop of stars like Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Rielly (a defenseman!), or our stars of yesteryear like Gilmour, Sittler, McDonald, Clark, Sundin, Keon, and Turnbull (another defenseman!), it's also behind lesser stars and role players like Anderson, Thomas, Gartner, Berezin, and Van Riemsdyk.
For $11 million a year John should not be just barely above half a point-per-game in the playoffs (0.63 to be exact). He at least should be matching the PPG pace of Nylander and Roberts (both at 0.80). John suffers the biggest points pace drop off of the core players, dropping 0.32 points from 0.95 in the regular season to 0.63 in the playoffs. For comparison, Matthews drops 0.28 points, Marner drops 0.23, Nylander drops .09, and Rielly actually improves going from 0.68 in the regular season to 0.70 in the playoffs.
Regardless of everything else, when it comes down to it Tavares has simply not produced enough in the playoffs. For a player of his skill and stature, it's been a tremendous disappointment. The guy that was supposed to put this team into true contender status has simply failed to perform when the games matter most. He's not solely responsible for this teams many failures, but he hasn't helped matters all that much either.
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What I find most surprising is that his winger shows by far the least dropoff of the four, while he shows the greatest.
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Tavares is 50% of the problem. Marner is the other half.
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John Tavares seems be accomplishing about as much for Toronto today as Phil Kessel did in his time as a Leaf, where both had their Maple Leaf tenures mired in playoff failure.
One of Shanahan's 1st moves was to trade Kessel upon taking the Leaf President's job, and then signing Tavares as his big UFA signing endorsed move for this new generation and iteration of Leaf .Maybe Tavares isn't the biggest problem?
lol, too funny and coincidental once a player leaves all of a sudden it’s, hey he didn’t suck after all. It’s the team system . When you have the weapons and you fail, it’s on the coaching and nobody else.
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Nonsense. They fail because these "weapons" aren't as powerful a people used to think.
JT isn't a problem, but his 11 million dollar cap hit sure is.
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Sure, but any team that he would be a 1C on wouldn't be much of a contender.
Awful for 11 mill, set a bad precedent for the kids in going after max dollar and failed completely.
I guess you can't say that because we in Toronto can't be "mean" aka we have to tolerate shit performances from overpaid duds.
He needs to go unless it's for a league min, but let me guess he's going to want "market value" aka he's going to want 5 mill+.
No thanks, let's try something new, but it is the Leafs who are not in the NHL, but their own NHL (National Happiness League (for the players that is not the fans)), so it would not surprise me if he is extended and back to fail some more.
I guess you can't say that because we in Toronto can't be "mean" aka we have to tolerate shit performances from overpaid duds.
He needs to go unless it's for a league min, but let me guess he's going to want "market value" aka he's going to want 5 mill+.
No thanks, let's try something new, but it is the Leafs who are not in the NHL, but their own NHL (National Happiness League (for the players that is not the fans)), so it would not surprise me if he is extended and back to fail some more.
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Maybe the problem is Frank the supervisor of the sushi place in the ACC. He's been here since 2014. Time for change IMO
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He's been shown to be incorrect many times, but his notbias is strong.
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