Matthew Rempe elbowing on Jonas Siegenthaler (suspended 4 games)

[Chainshot]

I'm not sure what your complaint is.

He clipped him with his elbow. Was penalized for it in the game, and will be suspended.

He didn't clip the guy, he blatantly elbowed him. It wasn't a mistake, it wasn't mis-timed, it was an elbow to the head.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

What was your point again?

I'm responding to a comment saying Rempe is risking the health of other players.

I'm not really sure what he's done that is risking the health of other players any more than other players. Hockey is a contact sport.

Yeah, a mistimed hit can cause an injury. That's part of the game. Players accept that when they sign up for playing, and the NHL penalizes/suspends a player who mistimes a hit.

 

[PocketNines]

this is trash. it's now clear what he is

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He didn't clip the guy, he blatantly elbowed him. It wasn't a mistake, it wasn't mis-timed, it was an elbow to the head.

I don't think you watched the play very closely with that conclusion.

You can see that he didn't hit him straight on with his elbow. If he intended to hit him straight on with his elbow Siegenthaler wouldn't have gotten up as quickly as he did. It wasn't all too vicious. Rempe has actually had more vicious hits that were a lot more legal.

You can see Rempe adjust mid-hit to get a piece of Siegenthaler.

 

[BigKing]

Some guys have respect. Matt Martin is one I'll name although he's also had his share of bad hits.

My problem with "the code" is that there's a lot more "do as I say, not as I do" among most vets in the league than all the code talk would imply.

MacDermid goes off about respect last night and there's an incident in Minnesota where he had a dirty hit on Marcus Foligno and then didn't fight the guy that challenged him.

If there's gonna be a code, follow it if you're gonna preach it.

Unbelievable you use that as an example. Just watched the clip. Middleton comes flying in and it is MacDermid with his gloves off, ready to answer for it. Middleton keeps his gloves on, kind of half turtles and MacDermid decides to not tee off on him.

What MacDermid has done in his career isn't the point but, if it was, there still isn't a leg to stand on.

 

[HBK27]

He's got a point - it was a nothing play. Siegenthaler was clearly just trying to cross the red line to dump the puck in - there was no need to blow him up there.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Never heard of concussions?

Did you read the post I was responding to?

What is the extra health risk from Rempe that isn't present with all other players?

 

[Chainshot]

I don't think you watched the play very closely with that conclusion.

You can see that he didn't hit him straight on with his elbow. If he intended to hit him straight on with his elbow Siegenthaler wouldn't have gotten up as quickly as he did. It wasn't all too vicious. Rempe has actually had more vicious hits that were a lot more legal.

You can see Rempe adjust mid-hit to get a piece of Siegenthaler.

I watched it a bunch. I've watched it in slow-mo, in real time, and from a different angle. It's an elbow. He doesn't keep his arm tucked, he puts it out before he reaches the man and he drills the guy right in the head. It was dangerous and stupid and he deserved the major and deserves to sit without pay.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

I am a homer. You are too. We all are. We all are predisposed to back certain opinions.

Doesn't make any of us right or wrong because of what we predisposed to believe. The ability to make a convincing case is what's most important. This website allows one to do so, and allows for debate of those opinions.

If you'd like to rebut any of the things I've said, go ahead. Comes off as a pretty weak comeback when you come after me as opposed to my argument.

Sure I am, everyone is, some moreso than others. I'm just saying that it provides the total context for some of the outlandish things that you've said here. The main issue arises when one thinks that everyone else is biased against their cause, but that their bias in favor of their cause is limited.


I don't think there's a single thing in the world I, or anyone else, could say that will bring your sentiments back to reality regarding Rempe lol. I've seen enough to know there's not really any point in trying, but it's entertaining to read the drivel nonetheless.

 

[StrompTroller]

I don't think you watched the play very closely with that conclusion.

You can see that he didn't hit him straight on with his elbow. If he intended to hit him straight on with his elbow Siegenthaler wouldn't have gotten up as quickly as he did. It wasn't all too vicious. Rempe has actually had more vicious hits that were a lot more legal.

You can see Rempe adjust mid-hit to get a piece of Siegenthaler.

If no one else in the room agrees with you it might be time to just admit you're wrong and move on to another issue...

 

[Machinehead]

My analysis of the hit is this:

I don't think he sat there and planned "hey, I'm gonna elbow this guy in the head" but he got too swept up in the emotion in the building and his perceived role, as he's tended to do so far in his career, and decided he had to throw a huge hit. That was stupid right off the bat.

Siegenthaller actually did see him coming and pulled up, so any comments about him not protecting himself are just incorrect.

Rempe wasn't getting the hit he wanted so he reached out his elbow to make sure he got him.

He made the decision in that moment to do what he did and it was very dangerous, and very stupid.

The kid needs to chill and find healthier ways to bring the type of game he brings, and pick his spots.

There was 30 seconds left in the period, it was all Rangers, and the guy pulled up. He didn't need that hit. He put somebody in danger to get it.

 

[Rubi]

This is an awful thread. Why? Because I've had to read all those posts by fans of Rempe carrying his water. Sad that they just don't seem to understand that what he did was vicious and has no place in hockey. And btw, just because other players have done the same is not an excuse for his actions.

 

[OlfactoryHughes]

I'm responding to a comment saying Rempe is risking the health of other players.

I'm not really sure what he's done that is risking the health of other players any more than other players. Hockey is a contact sport.

Yeah, a mistimed hit can cause an injury. That's part of the game. Players accept that when they sign up for playing, and the NHL penalizes/suspends a player who mistimes a hit.

Oh, let me clear it up for you.

He’s earning major penalties, game misconducts and now probably suspensions at an alarming rate.

He’s getting these penalties by risking the health of other players, with unnecessary, and dangerous hits to their heads, which is against the rules of hockey.

Those rules, which have undergone a lot of changes in the past decade, are put in place to assure player safety.

There ya go

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

This is bad. The incidents are piling up. He needs a message. Too bad because he has energy and doesn't seem like a total goon. Maybe a few games off will actually help him learn where the line not to cross is.

 

[Curufinwe]

Yeah, he needs to learn where the line is quick. It's not the 90s, 00s or even the 10s anymore.

Wilson wouldn't have maimed so many players if the league hadn't let him get away with dangerous play for so long. Watch his hit on Schenn from 2013 when he skated half the rink to charge him. Nowadays that would be an in person hearing.

 

[Ruggs225]

My analysis of the hit is this:

I don't think he sat there and planned "hey, I'm gonna elbow this guy in the head" but he got too swept up in the emotion in the building and his perceived role, as he's tended to do so far in his career, and decided he had to throw a huge hit. That was stupid right off the bat.

Siegenthaller actually did see him coming and pulled up, so any comments about him not protecting himself are just incorrect.

Rempe wasn't getting the hit he wanted so he reached out his elbow to make sure he got him.

He made the decision in that moment to do what he did and it was very dangerous, and very stupid.

The kid needs to chill and find healthier ways to bring the type of game he brings, and pick his spots.

There was 30 seconds left in the period, it was all Rangers, and the guy pulled up. He didn't need that hit. He put somebody in danger to get it.

Very well said and i think this is excellent analysis of the play.

To me Rempe is like a big puppy. He is very eager to play and have his teammates like him. He doesnt know his own strength or when to utilize it.

Now like a new puppy he will be disciplined (rightfully)to teach him better. I dont believe for one second that he is actually malicious or trying to injure people. He is just over eager to prove himself.

Hopefully he will learn his lesson and become better. He actually is effective when he plays and has some skill. Just needs to know how to read a play or when to lay the big hit that is clean rather than trying to lay a big hit where u will be penalized.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

This is bad. The incidents are piling up. He needs a message. Too bad because he has energy and doesn't seem like a total goon. Maybe a few games off will actually help him learn where the line not to cross is.

The thing is his play hasn't hurt the Rangers yet. That's the way to really make this kind of thing go away - hurt your own team. He'll get suspended for a few games, people won't think it's enough, and then he'll be back to ride the edge again.

Only when his team suffers (such as in the form of power play goals against) will you see it stop.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Has James Dolan released a statement yet?

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Has James Dolan released a statement yet?

He's too busy touring with his band.

 

[Levitate]

This is bad. The incidents are piling up. He needs a message. Too bad because he has energy and doesn't seem like a total goon. Maybe a few games off will actually help him learn where the line not to cross is.

yeah agree here.

The thing is his play hasn't hurt the Rangers yet. That's the way to really make this kind of thing go away - hurt your own team. He'll get suspended for a few games, people won't think it's enough, and then he'll be back to ride the edge again.

Only when his team suffers (such as in the form of power play goals against) will you see it stop.

but also yeah, they've killed off the majors he has taken. But you're not gonna endear yourself to the team if they have to kill off a major every other game.

 

[Machinehead]

Very well said and i think this is excellent analysis of the play.

To me Rempe is like a big puppy. He is very eager to play and have his teammates like him. He doesnt know his own strength or when to utilize it.

Now like a new puppy he will be disciplined (rightfully)to teach him better. I dont believe for one second that he is actually malicious or trying to injure people. He is just over eager to prove himself.

Hopefully he will learn his lesson and become better. He actually is effective when he plays and has some skill. Just needs to know how to read a play or when to lay the big hit that is clean rather than trying to lay a big hit where u will be penalized.

Yeah, his best moments are when he's just playing. He causes a lot of havoc.

I have no problem with people taking issue with the hit.

As far as what happened after the hit, that was great. "Oh needs to fight and respect tha code." You need to kick rocks.

If he can agitate without getting himself in trouble, that's even better. He has a bit of that swagger where he draws attention even without fighting or doing stuff like this. Just build off of that.

 

[HTFN]

I don't think you watched the play very closely with that conclusion.

You can see that he didn't hit him straight on with his elbow. If he intended to hit him straight on with his elbow Siegenthaler wouldn't have gotten up as quickly as he did. It wasn't all too vicious. Rempe has actually had more vicious hits that were a lot more legal.

You can see Rempe adjust mid-hit to get a piece of Siegenthaler.

....

holy shit, guy.

So here in this thread you're both trying to blame Siegenthaler for pulling up at the red line (which is a normal thing players do every single game to protect themselves) and suggest that the only reason the hit went wrong is because he did that.

You're also trying to give Rempe some kind of perverse credit for not completely shattering Siegenthaler's jaw with his elbow, even though Siegenthaler is the one who took protective action while you admit that Rempe keeps adjusting (illegally) to take a piece (illegally) out of Siegenthaler's head (illegally).

So his reflex to regular hockey plays and players protecting themselves is to try harder to do more damage? That's his reflex and you think this guy belongs in the game long term?

 

[algernon]

Has James Dolan released a statement yet?

Rempe vs Logan Paul in the sphere

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

If no one else in the room agrees with you it might be time to just admit you're wrong and move on to another issue...

Except that isn't so. I see some people that are intent to make this guy a villain and are probably scared he's going to hurt their players. And there's plenty who haven't taken up that view.

I also wouldn't care if I was on my own. I watched the play multiple times. I can form my own opinions on what I watch.

How about you make an argument that I'm wrong instead of a weak attempt to discredit me?

 

[Sdevils42]

Devils players getting injured this season is "karma" for a player who retired 20 years ago?

If that's how it works then there's a whole list of teams that should be lining up to injure the Rangers for Messier's elbows. Dallas, the Avs (Nordiques), Bruins, Penguins...

Honestly it may be quicker to list the teams not having karma coming to them for Mess's cheapshots.

Mess was one of the worst cheap shot artists in the game and never answered for his shit. HoF, captain, leader, legend etc but also a total scumbag.

Anyone who is bringing up Stevens in reference to what happened last night is most likely a new fan or casual who only heard how "bad" Stevens was in his day. The game was different from the pros to youth hockey. Putting your shoulder into someone's jaw was taught and celebrated. Not saying it's right but it's just the way it was. It's totally ok for you just to say you have no idea what you're talking about haha.