Matthew Rempe elbowing on Jonas Siegenthaler (suspended 4 games)

[Mr Kot]

I don't believe so.

I believe you should try to judge hits in a vacuum but his first hearing being in person would go against whatever semblance of precedent the DoPS has.

yep just saw it myself. we will just have to wait and see.

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

Guy hasn’t been able to stop hurting people at every level. Generational Goon

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Oh, Pavs. I didn't take it out of context. It is the context of everything you've said in this thread.

I am a homer. You are too. We all are. We all are predisposed to back certain opinions.

Doesn't make any of us right or wrong because of what we predisposed to believe. The ability to make a convincing case is what's most important. This website allows one to do so, and allows for debate of those opinions.

If you'd like to rebut any of the things I've said, go ahead. Comes off as a pretty weak comeback when you come after me as opposed to my argument.

 

[MXD]

I don't believe so.

I believe you should try to judge hits in a vacuum but his first hearing being in person would go against whatever semblance of precedent the DoPS has.

Pretty sure it was Rielly's first hearing.

But Gallagher is the best comparable : very similar hit, no prior hearing or even discipline, didn'T get an in-person hearing, got 5 games.

 

[Xirik]

You gotta see my notifications

.......Be proud that that you make people laugh?

 

[JoVel]

This seems like an appropriate time to mention that the laugh react is the worst idea this website ever had.

My laugh reaction to this post means I agree, but I couldn't just not use it on this post.

 

[My3Sons]

But he literally does answer the bell. His first few games he fought like every game when all these thirsty enforcers tried to staged fight him. You can't expect a player to fight every game.

And I don't think there's some onus to fight someone for a non-suspendable hit from weeks back and answer to a player who wasn't on the team at the time of that hit. That's so stupid, and comes off like some WWE stuff.

I realize you are emotional that your player got injured back then and that's an understandable reaction as a fan, but unless you literally want hitting out of the game you have to understand the difference between the hit yesterday and the hit two weeks ago.

One is an unfortunate outcome that is probably a penalty but really nothing egregious. The other will result in a suspension. You can't be outraged at both and condemn him for both. They are not remotely the same thing. If you want to come off as objective, you can't expect him to fight for the first hit.

Except he literally didn’t last night. Last night he could have avoided the early fight without criticism but when you intentionally cheap shot a real player the etiquette is you let the tough guy on the other team get his pound of flesh. You know this. He acted out then avoided the retribution and taunted the other team as the refs protected him and sent him off. It was a bad look. He will learn he’s only 21.

 

[Machinehead]

.......Be proud that that you make people laugh?

I offer you a genuine laugh react

 

[OlfactoryHughes]

Actually, you could make a case that Steven’s career ending due to concussions and head trauma is karma for his actions.

But no, Rempe throwing elbows into other peoples faces, 20+ years later has nothing to do with karma.

But his karma, of course, is gonna punch his face in next chance it gets

 

[King'sPawn]

I think you think your comment comes off as morally superior, but it doesn't.

I want Rempe to play the way he does. It's why he's such an effective player. 95% of the time he plays clean. 5% he doesn't. You live with the 5% because the 95% is a very effective player, and 5% is a very small percentage compared to 5%.

How is he risking health and careers? Has one player had a real serious injury that he hit yet? Hockey is a contact sport. Players are going to get bumps and bruises. Do you watch UFC or boxing? It gets a lot worse than Rempe hit someone too hard or slightly mistimed a hit.

Hits like the one last night are major health risks.

Re: UFC or boxing, I don't watch them. I only watch hockey. But I wouldn't celebrate hits, particularly illegal ones, that physically take players out of the game.

 

[Machinehead]

Pretty sure it was Rielly's first hearing.

But Gallagher is the best comparable : very similar hit, no prior hearing or even discipline, didn'T get an in-person hearing, got 5 games.

Yeah, the Gallagher hit was similar.

In both cases, there was no "principal point of contact" issue. The hitter was missing the guy and reached out his elbow to get him.

I would be fine with 5.

It might even help us in the long run. This kid is a good prospect but he's on 11 all the time, and I need him on 8.5.

 

[My3Sons]

.......Be proud that that you make people laugh?

You know full well that for some of us it is a gift.

 

[haak84]

maybe hes just a POS who has played this style his whole life and he will not learn one day. pretty good chance.

 

[Machinehead]

maybe hes just a POS who has played this style his whole life and he will not learn one day. pretty good chance.

He wasn't really known for this at all until he got to the AHL and the very responsible adults told him that his only path to the NHL at that size was being an animal.

Granted, I like a lot of the physical elements he brings, but he does overdo it.

To say he was always like that is just inaccurate. People just typecast this kid immediately and have no idea who he is. That's why people are flabbergasted when you say he's a good prospect.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Hits like the one last night are major health risks.

Re: UFC or boxing, I don't watch them. I only watch hockey. But I wouldn't celebrate hits, particularly illegal ones, that physically take players out of the game.

What is the serious health risk? Watch it again. He clipped Siegenthaler. Didn't hit him straight on. It was illegal, and he'll get suspended. But if there's a serious health risk from clipping a player after mistiming an attempted legal hit, we may as well take hitting out of the game.

 

[Chainshot]

What is the serious health risk? Watch it again. He clipped Siegenthaler. Didn't hit him straight on. It was illegal, and he'll get suspended. But if there's a serious health risk from clipping a player after mistiming an attempted legal hit, we may as well take hitting out of the game.

Take throwing elbows into guy's heads out of the game by penalizing them ini game and if necessary suspending them when they do. Easy. The rules are there and in this instance, that's what has happened.

 

[BigKing]

Eh I mean I don't think much of the code. Like I said it's mostly an excuse with no real hard rules that vets ignore all the time when it suits them.

e: we're trying to put some shine and "honor" into the idea of people getting mad and punching each other while wearing knives on their feet. It's just silly. It's boys who never grew up mentally and emotionally trying to scratch out a tough living in a pro sport. Any notion of honorable or such is misguided.

Well, there is honor to it and the guys honoring it are the ones that gave Rempe his shot to make a name for himself. It's funny that Reaves is one of the guys that fought him since he is probably the biggest example of a vet ignoring The Code all the time but, then again, that's the reason I don't like the guy.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I like Rempe, and don't give two shits about Rangers/Devils. I actually prefer the Rangers if I'm making a choice. To me, dismissing The Code is simply a way to try to dismiss Rempe's actions last night.

Nothing wrong with saying he looked bad. If it was the other way around, Rangers fans would be eviscerating MacDermid.

 

[sbhnur]

What is the serious health risk? Watch it again. He clipped Siegenthaler. Didn't hit him straight on. It was illegal, and he'll get suspended. But if there's a serious health risk from clipping a player after mistiming an attempted legal hit, we may as well take hitting out of the game.

He ellbowed him on purpose.

 

[OlfactoryHughes]

What is the serious health risk? Watch it again. He clipped Siegenthaler. Didn't hit him straight on. It was illegal, and he'll get suspended. But if there's a serious health risk from clipping a player after mistiming an attempted legal hit, we may as well take hitting out of the game.

Broken jaw? CTE?

that hit is out of the game, which is why he got the major and probably a few games off.

What was your point again?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Take throwing elbows into guy's heads out of the game by penalizing them ini game and if necessary suspending them when they do. Easy. The rules are there and in this instance, that's what has happened.

I'm not sure what your complaint is.

He clipped him with his elbow. Was penalized for it in the game, and will be suspended.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

I'm not sure what your complaint is.

He clipped him with his elbow. Was penalized for it in the game, and will be suspended.

The Devils being competent in the least on the major power plays Rempe gave them probably would have deterred this behavior much more effectively than anything else.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He ellbowed him on purpose.

Are you psychic?

And if you watch the hit again it quite clearly shows he attempted to hit him straight on, mistimed his hit, and tried to correct his mistimed hit to get a piece of Siegenthaler.

 

[Machinehead]

Well, there is honor to it and the guys honoring it are the ones that gave Rempe his shot to make a name for himself. It's funny that Reaves is one of the guys that fought him since he is probably the biggest example of a vet ignoring The Code all the time but, then again, that's the reason I don't like the guy.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I like Rempe, and don't give two shits about Rangers/Devils. I actually prefer the Rangers if I'm making a choice. To me, dismissing The Code is simply a way to try to dismiss Rempe's actions last night.

Nothing wrong with saying he looked bad. If it was the other way around, Rangers fans would be eviscerating MacDermid.

Some guys have respect. Matt Martin is one I'll name although he's also had his share of bad hits.

My problem with "the code" is that there's a lot more "do as I say, not as I do" among most vets in the league than all the code talk would imply.

MacDermid goes off about respect last night and there's an incident in Minnesota where he had a dirty hit on Marcus Foligno and then didn't fight the guy that challenged him.

If there's gonna be a code, follow it if you're gonna preach it.

 

[Xirik]

I'm not sure what your complaint is.

He clipped him with his elbow. Was penalized for it in the game, and will be suspended.

Concussions are bad and have ruined multiple peoples careers aka their ability to take care of themselves and their families?

Filip Chytil has the skill to play deep into his 30's and have multiple contracts. Do you think he'll be able to do that after all those concussions? if he actually does come back to play him still being in the league at 30 years old would be a miracle.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

What is the serious health risk? Watch it again. He clipped Siegenthaler. Didn't hit him straight on. It was illegal, and he'll get suspended. But if there's a serious health risk from clipping a player after mistiming an attempted legal hit, we may as well take hitting out of the game.

Never heard of concussions?