Matthew Rempe elbowing on Jonas Siegenthaler (suspended 4 games)

[My3Sons]

Who is going to inflict this?

We actually have had it happen to us. Tom Wilson did his thing. Now he doesn't anymore.

Who are these players anymore in the league that play like this? Not that many. Rempe is one of the only ones.


I have just about no faith in the NHL to make correct decisions after how bad they've been this season. Yes, I want calls to be equalized. Spare me the outrage. I'm done with the "get the call right" stuff. They don't come close to getting calls right. They seem to find what right is, and then make the opposite call. So yes, I am rooting for the calls to be evened out. Call me a homer. I am.

I think this discussion is going in multiple directions. At some point, just know that other teams will add their own thug who will go beyond the code that is supposed to exist with these sorts of players and at that point, you will have to acknowledge that you are ok with players cheap shooting real players on the Rangers. Beyond that your point about a goal being waived off as justifying an intent to injure is a false equivalency but you know that.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

He should probably get the same suspension that Gallagher got for his elbow to the head.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

He should've answered for a non-suspendable hit weeks ago?

Macdermid wasn't even on the Devils when the Bastian hit took place. He's certainly not entitled to request Rempe staged fight him. The staged fights need to be out of the league. And the players like Macdermid who cling onto 1M per year salaries because they can throw hands 3 times per year need to be out of the league. Makes the game so much worse. Adds nothing of value.

I know you probably don't like Rempe, and with good reason. Two games against your team, and two of your players have ended up injured. The Bastian one wasn't anything dirty. Bastian put himself in jeopardy, and unfortunately paid the price. The Devils should fire their training staff for allowing him back out onto the ice. The Siegenthaler one was an illegal hit, and he'll get suspended. No argument there. Unfortunate he got injured, but it wasn't that forceful of a hit. He kind of missed his check, and then re-corrected at the last second to take a piece of Siegenthaler. It was clear there was no initial intent to elbow him. Otherwise, he would've elbowed him straight on in the face. He made a rash decision in the middle of the air to try to take a piece of Siegenthaler when he mistimed his initial hit.

But at the same time, there's literally no evidence that he's some bad hockey player that only runs players. All the evidence is to the contrary, so unless you have some substantive argument against his hockey ability, it comes off as emotion, not reason.

His elbow wasn’t that forceful of a hit? Have you tried looking at the hit with an objective lens

 

[HBK27]

Love how Ranger fans keep insisting the hit on Bastian "wasn't dirty" when he got a 5 minute major and game misconduct on the play (all within the 13 seconds he played that game). Certainly, dropping his gloves and punching another player that never dropped his right afterwards wasn't dirty either.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

His elbow wasn’t that forceful of a hit? Have you tried looking at the hit with an objective lens

If he had intent to elbow him and connected as he would've wanted, Siegenthaler wouldn't have gotten up immediately.

 

[Xirik]

Ranger's have injured three Devils players this season.

That's something to be proud of I'm sure...

 

[Dr Pepper]

Anything less than 5 games and a fine is a miss by the the NHL in my opinion.

Well it's a phone hearing so that tells me the chances of it going five games are pretty slim......plus this is Parros we're talking about.

My guess is he gets 2 or 3.

 

[dgibb10]

I think this discussion is going in multiple directions. At some point, just know that other teams will add their own thug who will go beyond the code that is supposed to exist with these sorts of players and at that point, you will have to acknowledge that you are ok with players cheap shooting real players on the Rangers. Beyond that your point about a goal being waived off as justifying an intent to injure is a false equivalency but you know that.

Rangers fans wanted a suspension for the Aho-Fox contact lmao

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Call me a homer. I am.

This is the most sensible and logical thing you've said in this entire thread lol.

 

[Quinning]

I think they're going to throw the book at him, personally. 7-10 games.

If he does something this bad again, you're looking at 20+ and into the Torres range.

He could seriously f*** someone up at his size if he's not more careful. If he hits someone into the boards from behind it could easily be career-ending.

 

[orby]

I feel like Rempe is going to have a short career unless he wises up quickly.

 

[Profet]

Anything less than 5 games and a fine is a miss by the the NHL in my opinion.

It's not an in-person hearing, so that won't happen.

So prepare to be disappointed.

 

[BigKing]

I disagree. McDermid went into that game with one focus. Respect? There was no respect even on his part as he slams the door pissed he didn't get what he wanted. There was no need for Rempe to fight the first shift when NYR were kinda' buzzing. They were never in a position where he should have answered the bell and he played it perfectly, until his elbow hit. But at the point it didn't even matter.

Well, then you disagree with The Code so there is no point in us discussing it, right?

Deslauriers, Martin, Reaves...these guys already got their money and also "don't have to fight". What the hell does Matt Martin gain by fighting a much bigger opponent in said opponent's first game? Nothing. Of course, veteran players gave Matt Martin his chance to show his toughness so Martin pays it back. That's part of The Code and being in the hockey enforcer fraternity.

If you are an enforcer and lay a huge hit like the one put on Bastian, a player on a huge rival no less, you are going to need to answer for it. Him declining MacDermid broke that part of The Code as well, so that is strike two.

Duck a fight all night, chicken wing a guy and then wave goodbye as you are escorted off the ice and don't have to answer for your actions? Clown show. Strike three.

There really is no valid argument for Rempe's actions last night, unless you don't know about or don't care about The Code. The problem is that Rempe is only a thing in the first place because of fighting so when he takes a big, steaming dump on the very thing that has given him notoriety, it's a rough look.

I say all of this as a guy that is super stoked that this whole Rempe thing is happening. All I can hope for is that he learns from this.

 

[Sdevils42]

He should've answered for a non-suspendable hit weeks ago?

Macdermid wasn't even on the Devils when the Bastian hit took place. He's certainly not entitled to request Rempe staged fight him. The staged fights need to be out of the league. And the players like Macdermid who cling onto 1M per year salaries because they can throw hands 3 times per year need to be out of the league. Makes the game so much worse. Adds nothing of value.

I know you probably don't like Rempe, and with good reason. Two games against your team, and two of your players have ended up injured. The Bastian one wasn't anything dirty. Bastian put himself in jeopardy, and unfortunately paid the price. The Devils should fire their training staff for allowing him back out onto the ice. The Siegenthaler one was an illegal hit, and he'll get suspended. No argument there. Unfortunate he got injured, but it wasn't that forceful of a hit. He kind of missed his check, and then re-corrected at the last second to take a piece of Siegenthaler. It was clear there was no initial intent to elbow him. Otherwise, he would've elbowed him straight on in the face. He made a rash decision in the middle of the air to try to take a piece of Siegenthaler when he mistimed his initial hit.

But at the same time, there's literally no evidence that he's some bad hockey player that only runs players. All the evidence is to the contrary, so unless you have some substantive argument against his hockey ability, it comes off as emotion, not reason.

Idk how you're justifying the hit on 71 lol. Just a mistake

He should've answered for a non-suspendable hit weeks ago?

Macdermid wasn't even on the Devils when the Bastian hit took place. He's certainly not entitled to request Rempe staged fight him. The staged fights need to be out of the league. And the players like Macdermid who cling onto 1M per year salaries because they can throw hands 3 times per year need to be out of the league. Makes the game so much worse. Adds nothing of value.

I know you probably don't like Rempe, and with good reason. Two games against your team, and two of your players have ended up injured. The Bastian one wasn't anything dirty. Bastian put himself in jeopardy, and unfortunately paid the price. The Devils should fire their training staff for allowing him back out onto the ice. The Siegenthaler one was an illegal hit, and he'll get suspended. No argument there. Unfortunate he got injured, but it wasn't that forceful of a hit. He kind of missed his check, and then re-corrected at the last second to take a piece of Siegenthaler. It was clear there was no initial intent to elbow him. Otherwise, he would've elbowed him straight on in the face. He made a rash decision in the middle of the air to try to take a piece of Siegenthaler when he mistimed his initial hit.

But at the same time, there's literally no evidence that he's some bad hockey player that only runs players. All the evidence is to the contrary, so unless you have some substantive argument against his hockey ability, it comes off as emotion, not reason.

Based on that response... "kind of missed his check, and then re-corrected at the last second to take a piece of Siegenthaler. It was clear there was no initial intent to elbow him. Otherwise, he would've elbowed him straight on in the face."... I'm going to see myself out, good talk.

 

[Mikeaveli]

This guy is a loser and a scrub

 

[OurlordAndSaviorKuch]

This kids a clown, Suspend him now. He knew what he was doing that was targeted and purposely done.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

But apparently you know me to call me a spineless wiesel without integrity.

Sorry I like some intensity to hockey, and don't prefer half-ass checking and pond hockey.

The funniest part of all this is how you were the first crying about Tom Wilson like the guy was Pol Pot.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It's weird how people desperately try to make this kid a terrible player.

If it were anybody else it would be like 10% "good for him" and 90% "I've never heard of that guy" which is fine. But no, he has to suck, and we have to make a big deal about it.

I don't know if people are just that ignorant to who he is and think he's a goon because he had a fight right away, or they just don't like the guy for whatever reason.

And it's not just because of dirty hits because people were weird about it right away.

And like, yeah, absolutely he needs to reign it in a bit. He's most effective when he's skating. That's really what gets the crowd going. I'm bored with watching him fight already and this obviously doesn't help the team.

I like when he goes out and makes something happen during the play because he almost always does and that's what he should build on.

The Bastian hit was a bit awkward and you could say "well, maybe..." This was a clear "you can't do that" and hopefully that'll be made clear.

He hasn't been running into every fight recently, so maybe somebody is in his ear and he's teachable.

I hate the staged fights. It just feeds the dinosaur enforcers like MacDermid and Reaves fulfilling their 1M salaries per year. That's exactly what the league doesn't need, and on the evidence we have so far Rempe is above that, and shouldn't entertain that in the majority of situations.

I think he definitely has to quiet things down, but some of it is unavoidable. Is he supposed to be invisible for five games to quiet things down? I'd rather he not do that. The analytics, goals, assists, goals called back, screening the goalie on a goal, storyline around him are all things he can't really control or you wouldn't want him to tail back. Staged fights should stop, and he has to be smarter about the hits.

But I also think there's an onus on all the people who are outraged to inform themselves. No one is defending the hit yesterday. At the same time, there's literally no evidence he's been a negative to his team so far. All the comments stating he can't play hockey should stop. They aren't aligned with reality. They come off as copium that there's this behemoth who is playing good hockey. And I'm sorry but he just shouldn't be getting crap for the Bastian hit or the Lybushkin hit. If people want to dislike him, dislike him for the suspendable hits, like the one yesterday. Should he stop hitting players because he's going to get shit for what really amounts to 2 minute charging violations?

 

[SnS]

I think they're going to throw the book at him, personally. 7-10 games.

If he does something this bad again, you're looking at 20+ and into the Torres range.

He could seriously f*** someone up at his size if he's not more careful. If he hits someone into the boards from behind it could easily be career-ending.

Can’t be more than 5 games.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

This is the most sensible and logical thing you've said in this entire thread lol.

Way to take my comment completely out of context.

 

[SpezDispenser]

What an asshole. And the wave at the end is embarrassing.

 

[Xirik]

I think they're going to throw the book at him, personally. 7-10 games.

If he does something this bad again, you're looking at 20+ and into the Torres range.

He could seriously f*** someone up at his size if he's not more careful. If he hits someone into the boards from behind it could easily be career-ending.

I mean they should if they care at all about CTE.


His hand waving should get him some bonus games as he disrespected Siegenthaller, The situation which he caused, The Refs who he disrespected for not taking their penalty seriously and NHL player safety as he obviously showed to them that he thinks this is a laughing matter.

 

[Quinning]

Can’t be more than 5 games.

Should be.

 

[dgibb10]

Surely rangers fans would have no problems if someone ran shesterkin for a season ending injury like Krieder did to Price or if someone threw an elbow into Panarin's head.

 

[My3Sons]

I hate the staged fights. It just feeds the dinosaur enforcers like MacDermid and Reaves fulfilling their 1M salaries per year. That's exactly what the league doesn't need, and on the evidence we have so far Rempe is above that, and shouldn't entertain that in the majority of situations.

I think he definitely has to quiet things down, but some of it is unavoidable. Is he supposed to be invisible for five games to quiet things down? I'd rather he not do that. The analytics, goals, assists, goals called back, screening the goalie on a goal, storyline around him are all things he can't really control or you wouldn't want him to tail back. Staged fights should stop, and he has to be smarter about the hits.

But I also think there's an onus on all the people who are outraged to inform themselves. No one is defending the hit yesterday. At the same time, there's literally no evidence he's been a negative to his team so far. All the comments stating he can't play hockey should stop. They aren't aligned with reality. They come off as copium that there's this behemoth who is playing good hockey. And I'm sorry but he just shouldn't be getting crap for the Bastian hit or the Lybushkin hit. If people want to dislike him, dislike him for the suspendable hits, like the one yesterday. Should he stop hitting players because he's going to get shit for what really amounts to 2 minute charging violations?

If he can learn to control himself nobody will object to him playing just like the other guys that still fight a decent amount. Hit guys all you want, but answer the bell and avoid hitting guys with your elbows. It's not complicated.