Matthew Rempe elbowing on Jonas Siegenthaler (suspended 4 games)

[abax44]

How many times was Big Buff suspended for massive hits? He was sort of a big dude, too.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Give him 4 games and call it a day

 

[Black Tank]

Yeah, clearly some 4D chess being played here by the Rangers coaching staff...

Have Rempe avoid fighting so that maybe the Devils will take a penalty going after him (they didn't) and then have Rempe go out there and injure a player with a dirty hit to give the Devils a 2nd 5 minute power play in as many games. Just like they drew it up!

Yes.

The hapless devils haven't been able to compete at all because Rempe's f***ed them up on the ice and in their heads. Of course the Rangers coaching staff want a repeat of that. But if you're the devils you wouldn't know anything about effective coaching, and of course to devils fans coaching seems like some fantasy utopia sci-fi quantum shit.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I hope you keep singing this tune when someone runs Panarin or Fox and they're out for your playoff run.

I said this last night, but if a kid is going to behave like this, especially taunting while getting escorted off the ice (read: hiding behind the refs) it's going to be open season on the Rangers star players from here on out. It's stupid, and I don't necessarily want to see someone injured from a clean hit (or dirty hit, for that matter) but players are going to take things into their own hands if the 'code' isn't maintained.

Devils fans absolutely hated Rempe after he hit Bastian, and were calling for his head since that game. I actually felt very bad for Bastian that he had the facial injuries he did. I thought the Devils trainers made a terrible decision to let someone whose face looked as disfigured as it did re-enter a game. But the reality is that it was nowhere near a dirty hit. It was 2 minutes for charging at most. The refs over-charged the hit because it looked gruesome. The NHL certainly would've suspended him there after all the commotion if it was a suspendable hit. It simply wasn't. Bastian had his head down, and Rempe had his elbow tucked. Hit him with his shoulder.

Your team literally traded for a guy who can't play any hockey so he can deter Rempe, and he didn't deter anything. Why would Rempe fight him? Macdermid is one of the worst players in the league. His team is icing him to the detriment of his team. The more he's on the ice the better for the opposing team. Rempe is a huge asset to his team on the other hand. He's rightly started refusing these staged fights because his team doesn't benefit.

Chances are no one is going to run Fox or Panarin. There are like 3 or 4 guys in the NHL that play anywhere resembling a fierce hitting style. The only two teams that have remotely been upset about Rempe hits are the Devils and Leafs. The Devils and Leafs are like the two softest team in league. They both have enforcer "tough guys", but neither does anything except staged fights to contribute. I'm not at all worried that Rempe will cause players to run Rangers after the evidence we have from those 10 games.

 

[hawksrule]

PLAYING 5:38 PER GAME.

Why'd you leave it out?

And he literally had a goal the prior game that he scored that was incorrectly called back. In fact, his suspension should be nullified because they incorrectly took a goal away from him. Fair is fair, and they owe him. This game he completely altered a goal by screening the goalie because he's 6 foot 9. BUT NO POINT!

He has a 53.93% xGF% playing fourth line minutes. 10 games into his career. But I'm sure your no context point totals are more important than everything else.

Lol, that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

That's what Mario Lemieux thought with Matt Cooke till his whole team became a target. Good luck.

I'm glad you bring up Matt Cooke.

He played more than 1,000 games. How is this supposed to be a bad comparison? Matt Cooke was a very effective hockey player for a long time.

If you get Matt Cooke from a 6th round pick, that's a huge steal.

Anyone would take that. Those that say otherwise are lying to themselves.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

So because Wilson is a Top 6 player it's okay to goon it up because you can score goals? I love how his penalty minutes are conveniently removed. Wilson has about 40 days worth of suspensions in his career, and plenty of other shit that have warranted an in-game penalty that didn't even get suspensions, but could've very well have been. Elbows included.

If people want to be mad about an elbow from Rempe that I don't think was intentional, then that's fine, but let's not play high and mighty here.

If you think Rempes elbow was unintentional, then the rest of what you say is pointless.

 

[CHGoalie27]

I mean I'm sure people will post clips of elbows to the head that got nothing but that looks like 3-4 games minimum. He knew exactly what he was doing. No "he missed the hit" no "he's bigger and taller, what's he supposed to do?"

He lifted the elbow into the hit and targeted the jaw.

Big Rempe fan here, my instant thought before play was even stopped was he just earned himself 3 games

I'm glad you bring up Matt Cooke.

He played more than 1,000 games. How is this supposed to be a bad comparison? Matt Cooke was a very effective hockey player for a long time.

If you get Matt Cooke from a 6th round pick, that's a huge steal.

Anyone would take that. Those that say otherwise are lying to themselves.

Because Matt Cooke did extra scummy shit. Especially to Karlsson.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

I’m sure if we compare this thread to Chytils injury threads there will be the same Rags fans downplaying his injury too.

 

[aylib]

Like Mike Johnson was saying, I think Rempes antics weren’t well received by other teams fighters who abide by the code.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Brother... your franchise... not the fans, not on a message board, not on twitter... your actual O6 franchise had the audacity to write a letter to the league citing "horrifying acts of violence" and then you cited Matt Cooke lol. Keep that same energy when 10 or 23 gets run through the boards ok?

I think you think you are catching me in some contradiction because Dolan wrote some letter like 3 or 4 years ago. Dolan is a buffoon. My team is good. We have Rempe. Any team would want to have this player. Tom Wilson has been the most feared player in the NHL of his generation. If Rempe is half as good, he'll have a very good career. There's no contradiction here.

And who going to run Panarin or Fox through the boards? Jesper Bratt or Luke Hughes? Mitch Marner or Morgan Rielly?

Few players who play with that style exist anymore. This stuff rarely happens in the NHL anymore. Macdermid doesn't do that stuff either. He's an atrocious hockey player that participates in a few staged fights per year to earn like a million dollars and is otherwise terrible at his job. Admirable that he's getting paid that much, but nothing close to a deterrent, as yesterday showed. He literally tried to deter Rempe before the hit on Siegenthaler and couldn't.

 

[saintunspecified]

He played more than 1,000 games. How is this supposed to be a bad comparison? Matt Cooke was a very effective hockey player for a long time.

NHL teams obviously agree with you, the league let it go, and then the Islanders gave everyone fight night. Maybe it will happen again.

 

[Black Tank]

I’m sure if we compare this thread to Chytils injury threads there will be the same Rags fans downplaying his injury too.

Bullshit. Hits and illegal hits happen and you have to move on and go to plan B to keep winning games. That's what happened after the Chytil hit and injury - I don't recall massive outrage. Even now Rangers fans aren't downplaying Chytil's injury but are glad at the moves the team made to try and fill that hole. This seems like some bizarre whataboutery unrelated to Rempe's reign of terror over the spineless devils.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

No.

I like watching the tough hockey, and big, clean hits. I don't like the health and careers of living people, even Kings opponents, to be at risk.

Celebrating this kind of hit is sociopathic, in my opinion.

I think you think your comment comes off as morally superior, but it doesn't.

I want Rempe to play the way he does. It's why he's such an effective player. 95% of the time he plays clean. 5% he doesn't. You live with the 5% because the 95% is a very effective player, and 5% is a very small percentage compared to 5%.

How is he risking health and careers? Has one player had a real serious injury that he hit yet? Hockey is a contact sport. Players are going to get bumps and bruises. Do you watch UFC or boxing? It gets a lot worse than Rempe hit someone too hard or slightly mistimed a hit.

Is the 5:38 per game supposed to be a positive in his favour? He’s not really an NHL player.

By what measure is he not an NHL player?

I wish he played more than 5:38 per game. If a fan of his team is saying they want him to play more, maybe you should take the hint that you aren't right about this and accept he's better than your brief glance at NHL.com to check his point totals.

 

[snag]

I think you think your comment comes off as morally superior, but it doesn't.

I want Rempe to play the way he does. It's why he's such an effective player. 95% of the time he plays clean. 5% he doesn't. You live with the 5% because the 95% is a very effective player, and 5% is a very small percentage compared to 5%.

How is he risking health and careers? Has one player had a real serious injury that he hit yet? Hockey is a contact sport. Players are going to get bumps and bruises. Do you watch UFC or boxing? It gets a lot worse than Rempe hit someone too hard or slightly mistimed a hit.

Not the same thing at all for so many reasons I don't want to spend the time to get into.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Yes fans are probably worried an actual NHL player is going to be injured by a goon who contributes nothing other than dirty hits and fights.

As I said, there’s a reason these players don’t exist anymore in theNHL, and the Rempe hype will die down real fast.

You are going to have to explain how he contributes nothing. You've been presented with substantial evidence that isn't the case.

Otherwise, there's nothing to discuss with you further on this.

 

[Sdevils42]

I think you think you are catching me in some contradiction because Dolan wrote some letter like 3 or 4 years ago. Dolan is a buffoon. My team is good. We have Rempe. Any team would want to have this player. Tom Wilson has been the most feared player in the NHL of his generation. If Rempe is half as good, he'll have a very good career. There's no contradiction here.

And who going to run Panarin or Fox through the boards? Jesper Bratt or Luke Hughes? Mitch Marner or Morgan Rielly?

Few players who play with that style exist anymore. This stuff rarely happens in the NHL anymore. Macdermid doesn't do that stuff either. He's an atrocious hockey player that participates in a few staged fights per year to earn like a million dollars and is otherwise terrible at his job. Admirable that he's getting paid that much, but nothing close to a deterrent, as yesterday showed. He literally tried to deter Rempe before the hit on Siegenthaler and couldn't.

It's quite simple... he should've answered for the Bastian hit, but I guess he fancies himself an actual hockey player now or he's just chickenshit of an actual goon wanting to go w/ him. So he ducks him, fine whatever. But then he throws a chickenshit elbow, hides behind the ref, and then waves as he gets another 5 and game. Idk what hockey you've watched your entire life but that my friend is inexcusable.

And no, not every team wants Rempe. He's a plug that whose status is magnified and increased bc he plays in NY, like most of the other players on the team. He dumps the puck in, he fumbles around in the O zone and he tries to crush defenseman retrieving the puck (most of them absorb the hit or are too quick for him).

And you keep citing Matt Cooke in your replies like it's a positive thing lol. First of all Matt Cooke is a 1000% better "hockey" player than Rempe, emphasis on hockey player. But he's also a cheap shot artist and one of the dirtiest players of his generation and he also got his plenty.

If this plug is going to keep running guys and ducking fights he's going to open up his teammates up to retaliation.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Sure, who wouldn't want some guy elbowing Rangers in the head after Rempe does it to their players. That's common sense. If he keeps giving out head shots I'm sure some other Rangers will face similar behavior and when it does you will no doubt defend it just like you are doing right now.

Who is going to inflict this?

We actually have had it happen to us. Tom Wilson did his thing. Now he doesn't anymore.

Who are these players anymore in the league that play like this? Not that many. Rempe is one of the only ones.

Did you just say Rempe should avoid suspension because a goal he scored was waived off?

I have just about no faith in the NHL to make correct decisions after how bad they've been this season. Yes, I want calls to be equalized. Spare me the outrage. I'm done with the "get the call right" stuff. They don't come close to getting calls right. They seem to find what right is, and then make the opposite call. So yes, I am rooting for the calls to be evened out. Call me a homer. I am.

 

[StickShift]

We are 20 years on from Bertuzzi/Moore—which stemmed from the league not properly policing its players.

If the league doesn’t want to do it—the players will.

And if the player who caused the wrong still won’t answer the perceived “bell” then I’m afraid we are likely to see another sort of McSorley/Bertuzzi like incident where something outside the “code” of hockey occurs.

 

[Dueling Banjos]

How many times was Big Buff suspended for massive hits? He was sort of a big dude, too.

Especially in the offseason

 

[pld459666]

I have no issues with his enthusiasm and overall willingness to play a rough and tumble game.

He absolutely has to be more careful with his elbows there's no way around that, but the kid can play and sending him down is not warranted.

Let him be who he is, but manager that youthful exuberance.

 

[UnSandvich]

It's quite simple... he should've answered for the Bastian hit, but I guess he fancies himself an actual hockey player now or he's just chickenshit of an actual goon wanting to go w/ him. So he ducks him, fine whatever. But then he throws a chickenshit elbow, hides behind the ref, and then waves as he gets another 5 and game. Idk what hockey you've watched your entire life but that my friend is inexcusable.

And no, not every team wants Rempe. He's a plug that whose status is magnified and increased bc he plays in NY, like most of the other players on the team. He dumps the puck in, he fumbles around in the O zone and he tries to crush defenseman retrieving the puck (most of them absorb the hit or are too quick for him).

And you keep citing Matt Cooke in your replies like it's a positive thing lol. First of all Matt Cooke is a 1000% better "hockey" player than Rempe, emphasis on hockey player. But he's also a cheap shot artist and one of the dirtiest players of his generation and he also got his plenty.

If this plug is going to keep running guys and ducking fights he's going to open up his teammates up to retaliation.

Didn’t he drop the gloves with Seigenthaler directly after the Bastian hit? Why should he have to do it a second time just because the Devils chose to pay for a goon?

After the Seigenthaler hit, both he and Macdermid were immediately grabbed by refs. Sure he could try to fight his way free of them but if he uses too much force he goes from an elbowing suspension to an abuse of officials one.

All this to say it was a dirty play & he deserves the 3 (im guessing) game suspension he earned

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Ironically, Siegenthaler went over to Rempe after the Bastian hit, gave him a couple nasty slashes and tried to stand up for his guy, but realized he was outclassed. Rempe dropped him with a couple punches

“Nasty slashes” lol. Kept his gloves on, never came close to initiating anything resembling a “fight”, and Rempe throws his gloves off and punches him in the jaw. Guy is a through and through piece of shit.

 

[SnS]

Anything less than 5 games and a fine is a miss by the the NHL in my opinion.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It's quite simple... he should've answered for the Bastian hit, but I guess he fancies himself an actual hockey player now or he's just chickenshit of an actual goon wanting to go w/ him. So he ducks him, fine whatever. But then he throws a chickenshit elbow, hides behind the ref, and then waves as he gets another 5 and game. Idk what hockey you've watched your entire life but that my friend is inexcusable.

And no, not every team wants Rempe. He's a plug that whose status is magnified and increased bc he plays in NY, like most of the other players on the team. He dumps the puck in, he fumbles around in the O zone and he tries to crush defenseman retrieving the puck (most of them absorb the hit or are too quick for him).

And you keep citing Matt Cooke in your replies like it's a positive thing lol. First of all Matt Cooke is a 1000% better "hockey" player than Rempe, emphasis on hockey player. But he's also a cheap shot artist and one of the dirtiest players of his generation and he also got his plenty.

If this plug is going to keep running guys and ducking fights he's going to open up his teammates up to retaliation.

He should've answered for a non-suspendable hit weeks ago?

Macdermid wasn't even on the Devils when the Bastian hit took place. He's certainly not entitled to request Rempe staged fight him. The staged fights need to be out of the league. And the players like Macdermid who cling onto 1M per year salaries because they can throw hands 3 times per year need to be out of the league. Makes the game so much worse. Adds nothing of value.

I know you probably don't like Rempe, and with good reason. Two games against your team, and two of your players have ended up injured. The Bastian one wasn't anything dirty. Bastian put himself in jeopardy, and unfortunately paid the price. The Devils should fire their training staff for allowing him back out onto the ice. The Siegenthaler one was an illegal hit, and he'll get suspended. No argument there. Unfortunate he got injured, but it wasn't that forceful of a hit. He kind of missed his check, and then re-corrected at the last second to take a piece of Siegenthaler. It was clear there was no initial intent to elbow him. Otherwise, he would've elbowed him straight on in the face. He made a rash decision in the middle of the air to try to take a piece of Siegenthaler when he mistimed his initial hit.

But at the same time, there's literally no evidence that he's some bad hockey player that only runs players. All the evidence is to the contrary, so unless you have some substantive argument against his hockey ability, it comes off as emotion, not reason.