Matthew Rempe elbowing on Jonas Siegenthaler (suspended 4 games)

[Machinehead]

Oof. Ducks a fight then does Marchand level bye-bye hand? Gotta be kinda embarrassing for Rangers fans.

Not really.

It's a bad hit and I'm not defending it, but everyone who clutches pearls is ok with it when somebody on their team does it. No exceptions.

 

[HTFN]

Come on now. Keeping gorillas on a leash is a tough comment to swallow from a Caps fan. LOL. It's surprising that it's easy for you to point fingers when you're so used to having a career goon on your team.

lol career goon, take a f***ing lap. I get that as a Rangers fan he's way in your head at this point but Rempe's done more in like 10 games than Wilson has ever done in a whole season from a shithead perspective and probably isn't going to have multiple 20 goal seasons...

f*** out of here with that "what about you?" bullshit, especially when the Capitals had your team's coach and literally managed to keep him on a leash to the point that nobody was talking about him anymore except as a boogeyman who hasn't even done the things they suggest he'd do to prove a point.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Not really.

It's a bad hit and I'm not defending it, but everyone who clutches pearls is ok with it when somebody on their team does it. No exceptions.

I mean the sudden disappearance of the toughest man alive act, complete with sass.

 

[Machinehead]

I mean the sudden disappearance of the toughest man alive act, complete with sass.

That part was very funny.

The hit was a serious manner, what happened after was just hilarious to me.

There's no code. There's no respect. You owe your opponent nothing. All that "code" talk is just to cope with the fact that as hockey fans, we're all a little bit ok with the violence.

MacDermid and whoever else can say they don't respect it but they've either done the same (MacDermid has) or would do the same.

 

[HTFN]

Not really.

It's a bad hit and I'm not defending it, but everyone who clutches pearls is ok with it when somebody on their team does it. No exceptions.

So which is it, because this is the same organization and fan-base that got on Wilson for rag-dolling somebody who literally jumped on his back.

Sit and ingest that one for a second, figure out who's right and wrong, and get back to me. If you're just explaining that fans have a bias, well no shit, but you're really making it seem like it's actually okay and not hypocrisy for as long as you're willing to engage in it.

That part was very funny.

The hit was a serious manner, what happened after was just hilarious to me.

There's no code. There's no respect. You owe your opponent nothing. All that "code" talk is just to cope with the fact that as hockey fans, we're all a little bit ok with the violence.

MacDermid and whoever else can say they don't respect it but they've either done the same (MacDermid has) or would do the same.

Nope, that's f***wit decision making and absolutely not part of the game.

I still remember Maxime Talbot apologizing for his "go to sleep" taunt when he realized the guy he punched was actually f***ed up for it. That's respect, it exists between combatants. Protecting each other in falls is respect, they don't have to do that but they do. You're out to lunch completely if you want to now believe that nobody owes anything to anybody and your guy is suddenly in the right.

I seem to remember you being pretty badly butthurt about Tom Wilson flexing in the penalty box. Which guns are you sticking to?

 

[Machinehead]

So which is it, because this is the same organization and fan-base that got on Wilson for rag-dolling somebody who literally jumped on his back.

Sit and ingest that one for a second, figure out who's right and wrong, and get back to me. If you're just explaining that fans have a bias, well no shit, but you're really making it seem like it's actually okay and not hypocrisy for as long as you're willing to engage in it.

There is no right or wrong.

You're ok with it when Wilson does it. You're not when it's not a guy on your team.

It's fine, that's what being a fan is, but I'm tired of pretending that's not what it is.

And miss me with "oh but, Wilson didn't do this specific thing!" He's hurt people and he's tried to hurt people. You've defended it.

Nope, that's f***wit decision making and absolutely not part of the game.

I still remember Maxime Talbot apologizing for his "go to sleep" taunt when he realized the guy he punched was actually f***ed up for it. That's respect, it exists between combatants. Protecting each other in falls is respect, they don't have to do that but they do. You're out to lunch completely if you want to now believe that nobody owes anything to anybody and your guy is suddenly in the right.

I seem to remember you being pretty badly butthurt about Tom Wilson flexing in the penalty box. Which guns are you sticking to?

It's not about which guns I'm sticking to. You're framing this as being ok with one thing and not another thing, so it's hypocrisy.

No. I'm saying none of us lose sleep, as fans, when our own team's players are dirty. All of the "but this thing is different because reasons!" is just deflection.

So all of the "gotchas!" that these threads revolve around are pointless.

He made a very dirty play and he'll rightfully be suspended. Not one Rangers fan will lose a wink of sleep over it, just like you never did.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

10 games, 5.4 pims per game avg...
- roughly 450 pim pace (82 game full season).

just 22 pims short of NHL record..
and that record is from early/mid 70's..

 

[HTFN]

There is no right or wrong.

You're ok with it when Wilson does it. You're not when it's not a guy on your team.

It's fine, that's what being a fan is, but I'm tired of pretending that's not what it is.

And miss me with "oh but, Wilson didn't do this specific thing!" He's hurt people and he's tried to hurt people. You've defended it.

It's not about which guns I'm sticking to. You're framing this as being ok with one thing and not another thing, so it's hypocrisy.

No. I'm saying none of us lose sleep, as fans, when our own team's players are dirty. All of the "but this thing is different because reasons!" is just deflection.

So all of the "gotchas!" that these threads revolve around are pointless.

He made a very dirty play and he'll rightfully be suspended. Not one Rangers fan will lose a wink of sleep over it, just like you never did.

I actually didn't interject a single thought or opinion of what I think about Tom Wilson, I asked you to clarify why one is unacceptable and should be taken seriously while the other is just one of your boys doing things. Hitting to hurt and hitting to injure aren't the same thing, virtually all hits hurt.

I'm asking you to draw a line in the sand, so far the line you've drawn is "but it's one of my guys, so I don't care because I've perceived others not to care" even though each action is admittedly different. I still stand by the Wilson/Aston-Reese hit, but don't stand for the Wilson/Sundqvist hit and "dirty guy on my team" isn't the calculus there.

There is a right and wrong, ideally it would be the suspension line but fact is if you're going to cheer for and support a team that put out a press release about the conduct of a player and then go on to woo-hoo a guy who just took a chicken wing shot at the red line you're being dishonest about what you like and dislike about this game.

You don't like losing or coming up the bitch, you don't care at all about if your team is actually injuring opponents so long as you can come on top more often than you were before. You'll call it "just desserts" or point to how everyone was doing it because it's working in your favor now. Where's the "get it out of the game" portion of the fan base at the moment? Where's the press release about how the Rangers are ashamed of their actions?

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

That part was very funny.

The hit was a serious manner, what happened after was just hilarious to me.

There's no code. There's no respect. You owe your opponent nothing. All that "code" talk is just to cope with the fact that as hockey fans, we're all a little bit ok with the violence.

MacDermid and whoever else can say they don't respect it but they've either done the same (MacDermid has) or would do the same.

I don't like it from anyone. I'm not big on the violence anyway. I will watch the numbered UFC events but I'm always grossed out seeing people eat punches while they're already unconscious.

 

[Machinehead]

I actually didn't interject a single thought or opinion of what I think about Tom Wilson, I asked you to clarify why one is unacceptable and should be taken seriously while the other is just one of your boys doing things. Hitting to hurt and hitting to injure aren't the same thing, virtually all hits hurt.

I'm asking you to draw a line in the sand, so far the line you've drawn is "but it's one of my guys, so I don't care because I've perceived others not to care" even though each action is admittedly different. I still stand by the Wilson/Aston-Reese hit, but don't stand for the Wilson/Sundqvist hit and "dirty guy on my team" isn't the calculus there.

There is a right and wrong, and ideally it's the suspension line.

I never said anything was unacceptable.

Somebody commented that this was embarrassing for Rangers fans, and it's a resounding no.

You're trying to twist that into this whole semantics thing.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

I’m glad these two teams play once more this season. Hopefully we’ll get a Rempe and MacDermid fight.

Macdermid tried to engage Rempe in the first period, as payback for Bastian hit but Rempe p***yed out.

 

[Shark Finn]

10 games, 5.4 pims per game avg...
- roughly 450 pim pace (82 game full season).

just 22 pims short of NHL record..
and that record is from early/mid 70's..

He won't play a full season soon the way he's going

 

[HTFN]

I never said anything was unacceptable.

Somebody commented that this was embarrassing for Rangers fans, and it's a resounding no.

You're trying to twist that into this whole semantics thing.

So like I said, this is an effort to skirt the reality of the hit by making it into some weird nebulous thing about how fans react to things that work for the team in the moment. Going out of the way to take no defensible stance on the matter while shooting for a moral high ground because somebody's done it before or will do the same later and it bugged you then, so now's the time to act like we're all just better/no better than this and should get over it.

Again, explain to me how any of this is different or less hilarious than Wilson flexing on your entire bench from the penalty box if that's the route we're going with it? I personally found it over the top and a little tacky at the time (same as I found this), but I didn't have to deal with it the way you clearly internalized this and other slights to get to where you are now.

I don't see your opinion lining up the same way it once did.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't like it from anyone. I'm not big on the violence anyway. I will watch the numbered UFC events but I'm always grossed out seeing people eat punches while they're already unconscious.

Ah yes, but you'll watch the numbered ones because those are important.

Nobody wants to see anybody get hurt at the end of the day, but in a contact sport, we all accept that it happens to some extent.

That's why all the bellyaching in these threads are pointless when every single team in the league has guy on their roster with a dirty play on their resume.

That's why when you wondered it it was embarrassing my response is just like "nah, not really."

The only thing that's embarrassing are people will still (even long after the fact) do mental gymnastics to never admit their guy did anything. Rempe knew what he was doing, it was as bad as it looked, and he should get a lengthy suspension.

 

[Machinehead]

So like I said, this is an effort to skirt the reality of the hit by making it into some weird nebulous thing about how fans react to things that work for the team in the moment. Going out of the way to take no defensible stance on the matter while shooting for a moral high ground because somebody's done it before or will do the same later and it bugged you then, so now's the time to act like we're all just better/no better than this and should get over it.

Again, explain to me how any of this is different or less hilarious than Wilson flexing on your entire bench from the penalty box if that's the route we're going with it? I personally found it over the top and a little tacky at the time, but I didn't have to deal with it the way you clearly internalized this and other slights to get to where you are now.

Never said it was.

You brought it up.

 

[HTFN]

Never said it was.

You brought it up.

That's called asking a question.

Ducking the question by answering "fans will be fans" is on you. I'm asking you to explain the line or shut up in the future when someone absolutely blasts another Ranger because you already know fans and how it works, but I know you won't.

 

[Machinehead]

That's called asking a question.

Ducking the question by answering "fans will be fans" is on you. I'm asking you to explain the line or shut up in the future when someone absolutely blasts another Ranger because you already know fans and how it works, but I know you won't.

I legitimately don't understand what I was unclear about.

 

[ItWasJustified]

What did Siegenthaler think was going to happen when a big gorilla on skates comes from the side preparing himself to make a hit and Siegenthaler decides to brake?

If you can't be aware of who's on the ice and how to protect yourself you have no business being on the ice at all.

And yeah, dumb elbow from Rempe but Siegenthaler has himself to blame for the elbow hitting his head

 

[HTFN]

I legitimately don't understand what I was unclear about.

I think you're misrepresenting "not falling for it" for confusion.

I've already explained myself, and I generally believe that if I have time to write a few separate points in a few minutes you have time to respond to them, so if all we're doing here is one line responses that don't address anything I'm asking of you, we're done here.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Yeah that was a bad one. 3-5 games. Kid will learn. Beautiful screen on Gus's goal.

 

[ZEBROA]

I dont care about any of the teams. But Rempe is childish , u just dont tount when you just might have hurt someone. Thats not a hockey code that is just human to human. And those human to human codes exist and u will notice if you break them, even if you dont agree or even understand what they are. But i belive even a caveman would understant it.

It is good for hockey to have agitators, but there is smarter ways to agitate that dont involve injure someone.

Like the slapshot against us (Toronto) . That winning streek didnt hurt at all

 

[HTFN]

What did Siegenthaler think was going to happen when a big gorilla on skate comes from the side preparing himself to make a hit and Siegenthaler decides to brake?

If you can't be aware of who's on the ice and how to protect yourself you have no business being on the ice at all.

And yeah, dumb elbow from Rempe but Siegenthaler has himself to blame for the elbow hitting his head

Defensemen hit the brakes on dumps at the red line. They just do, it's actually a play that happens a handful of times a game instead of the hyperbole that usually surfaces with these threads. Gain the red line but not with room? Going to dump it and bail as the skater with the least momentum to protect the back line, virtually every time.

The "dumb elbow" is the only single part of the opposition that made contact, how the f*** are you blaming the puck carrier for not playing around illegal contact? If players are always playing around the threat of illegal contact, threatening illegal contact is valid defense.

How about don't elbow guys in the head, especially when you're 6'7" or whatever?

 

[Machinehead]

I think you're misrepresenting "not falling for it" for confusion.

I've already explained myself, and I generally believe that if I have time to write a few separate points in a few minutes you have time to respond to them, so if all we're doing here is one line responses that don't address anything I'm asking of you, we're done here.

Ok.

Somebody basically opined that this must bother Rangers fans, and having read our entire PGT, it really doesn't.

You can say that makes us shitty, but I don't know how anything else you said is related.

 

[egelband]

My prediction is in person hearing and 5 games.

It was an elbow. He needs to stop it but also, this isn’t Nuremberg.

 

[HTFN]

Ok.

Somebody basically opined that this must bother Rangers fans, and having read our entire PGT, it really doesn't.

You can say that makes us shitty, but I don't know how anything else you said is related.

I asked you to explain the current position by asserting that another situation you were vehemently against as a group employs a lot of the same attitudes to validate it, and asked you to reconcile the two positions. I asked why the franchise who freaked the f*** out about something that "has no place in the sport" despite two willing combatants is worse than this bullshit chicken wing and your response was basically "fans be crazy, can't help that".

So again, if you're admitting that fans are flawed and you're ready to steer into that for right now I'd better never see you trying to take that moral high ground again in other suspension threads, unless what you're really admitting is that you're a willing hypocrite and nobody should take you seriously at all.

I can take a paragraph or two to explain myself, you don't seem to want to do that in response to any individual point I've asked of you. Not one genuine response to one genuine question, because I'm asking you why it doesn't bother you as a franchise so proud to call others' actions into question like they're moral authorities on how the NHL game should be played.