Injury Report: Matt Murray is day-to-day - Head Injury

[Mess]

So 54 games. Average number of games league-wide from 3rd most played goalie is 4-5 games. So let's say 50 expected starts for these two. Split in half, that's 25 starts each. Add in a few games for Samsonov as the hotter hand (as you said), and we're at maybe 22 starts expected for Murray so far this year. He's at 19 games, so all this panic over 3 games less than you would have expected, even though he's played well when he's in.

Seems pretty silly when you break it down.

Here are Leafs playoff opponents and competition in comparison.

Boston : Ullmark is Boston's starter and ALL-Star representative and playoff starting goalie.

TB: Vas is Tampa Bay's starting goalie and All-Star representative and playoff starting goalie.

Leafs top competition in the Atlantic race have used a 3rd string goalie for 1 single game combined.

Toronto: Starting goalie Murray making the NHL 5th highest AAV.

Leafs have already been forced to play 11 of their 54 games with 3rd and 4th string goalies, and not the norm in comparison.

Surely you can see and admit this is not going as planned in Toronto.

Leaf Nation is forced to pin their playoff hopes on an unreliable NHL goalie and this situation is clearly not like the others above. Perhaps if Kallgren/Woll are asked to play in and win a playoff game because Murray is unavailable my point will become crystal clear at that time.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Here are Leafs playoff opponents and competition in comparison.

You don't know if we'd be playing Boston in the 2nd round or somebody else, but I guess what better way to misrepresent our goalies than comparing them to Vasilevsky and the current leading candidate for Vezina.

Leafs top competition in the Atlantic race have used a 3rd string goalie for 1 single game combined.

Sounds like they've been pretty lucky with health! Guess that means our quality is underrepresented compared to them, eh?

Toronto: Starting goalie Murray

You don't know who our starting goalie will be. Why are you comparing the best performing goalie on other teams to the 2nd best performing goalie on our team?

making the NHL 5th highest AAV.

Murray is not 5th. Not even close. Murray has the 22nd highest goalie cap hit this season. Funny enough, he also has the 22nd highest GSAx this season.

Leafs have already been forced to play 11 of their 54 games with 3rd and 4th string goalies, and not the norm in comparison.

Yes, because of injuries to Samsonov, Murray, and Woll, not just the one you're exclusively blaming.

Leaf Nation is forced to pin their playoff hopes on an unreliable NHL goalie

No, they're not. We have two goalies performing well in the NHL, with a history of starting in the playoffs. We haven't ever had that in the Matthews era.

 

[Stephen]

Is anyone actually confident that if Murray was in net the game tonight would have been different? Woll was alright, not great. 3rd goal was on him but he played well enough to beat a bottom feeder.....team should have been more prepared and willing to make it an easy night on him.

It started with a bad team effort after the second. Woll gave us a fairly normal backup goalie night on the second of a back to back while the team was half assing. But he also doesn't look like he's got the high end upside either. Very scrambly, good athleticism, puck tracking vs overreaction. He's ok. Gave us Kallgren level play.

 

[kb]

Let's take these one at a time

He's a skating bandaid so that seems like very wishful thinking
He's making way to much to be a glorified backup
Doubt anybody's taking that contract on without inducement
We're trying to ice the best lineup possible so every dollar counts, retaining is completely unacceptable

You seem extremely optimistic, my opinion is reality is going to kick you in the pills

Murray has far more worth now than he did after last season (better season, no concussion issues, one less year left), and the Leafs were far from the only suitors last summer.

There will not be any enticements required. FFS trading tire fire injury-prone Mrazek only took dropping back 13 spots in the draft to move him and his contract for 2 seasons. If people can't see this, they are truly looking at the situation with their eyes glued shut.

 

[Mess]

Is anyone actually confident that if Murray was in net the game tonight would have been different? Woll was alright, not great. 3rd goal was on him but he played well enough to beat a bottom feeder.....team should have been more prepared and willing to make it an easy night on him.

The last time we saw Murray he was giving up 4 goals on 8 shots vs. Florida almost a month ago, and gone before the 1st period was done.

Woll gave up 4 goals on 40 shots yesterday.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The last time we saw Murray he was giving up 4 goals on 8 shots vs. Florida almost a month ago, and gone before the 1st period was done.
Woll gave up 4 goals on 40 shots yesterday.

Funniest part is that those 40 shots were only worth about half a goal more than the 8 shots Murray faced in that game, which just goes to show how inaccurate it can be to evaluate based solely on shot quantity.

 

[Stephen]

Murray has far more worth now than he did after last season (better season, no concussion issues, one less year left), and the Leafs were far from the only suitors last summer.

There will not be any enticements required. FFS trading tire fire injury-prone Mrazek only took dropping back 13 spots in the draft to move him and his contract for 2 seasons. If people can't see this, they are truly looking at the situation with their eyes glued shut.

The only question with trading Murray (who has M-NTC protection) is who you would be trading him to.

Is it another competitive team that wants a goalie at a fairly affordable, short term deal? And is he willing to go there? Who would fall into that category?

Or is it a basement team that is consciously taking him as a contract dump, which might be another story. And is he willing to go there? Which teams fall into this category.

I think the pricing in both scenarios might be different. A team that wants a piece, vs a team that thinks its performing a service for you. And ultimately how Murray's season finishes, is he a distressed asset by end of season, etc.

 

[Gallagbi]

Leafs have already been forced to play 11 of their 54 games with 3rd and 4th string goalies, and not the norm in comparison.

Surely you can see and admit this is not going as planned in Toronto.

Leaf Nation is forced to pin their playoff hopes on an unreliable NHL goalie and this situation is clearly not like the others above. Perhaps if Kallgren/Woll are asked to play in and win a playoff game because Murray is unavailable my point will become crystal clear at that time.

Arent we currently playing our depth goalies about the same as the past few seasons? Feels like all the previous guys you've lamented the loss of have produced a similar level of health to our current tandem

 

[ToneDog]

The only question with trading Murray (who has M-NTC protection) is who you would be trading him to.

Is it another competitive team that wants a goalie at a fairly affordable, short term deal? And is he willing to go there? Who would fall into that category?

Or is it a basement team that is consciously taking him as a contract dump, which might be another story. And is he willing to go there? Which teams fall into this category.

I think the pricing in both scenarios might be different. A team that wants a piece, vs a team that thinks its performing a service for you. And ultimately how Murray's season finishes, is he a distressed asset by end of season, etc.

In theory if the cost for two years is a 3rd and 7th, the cost for 1 year for that same guy should be 50%. The thing is he is owed $8m next year and he has a limited NMC. I doubt many GMs will be lining up to take him for free, let alone give you something for him.

 

[Stephen]

In theory if the cost for two years is a 3rd and 7th, the cost for 1 year for that same guy should be 50%. The thing is he is owed $8m next year and he has a limited NMC. I doubt many GMs will be lining up to take him for free, let alone give you something for him.

Well, there's retention at 25% from Ottawa's side, so it's down to $6 million in real cash, plus whatever Toronto would kick in if any.

The best bet is really LTIR if it went down this route.

 

[Mess]

Well, there's retention at 25% from Ottawa's side, so it's down to $6 million in real cash, plus whatever Toronto would kick in if any.

The best bet is really LTIR if it went down this route.

Leafs new GM could also buyout the Murray contract this summer.

The cap hit is manageable over the course of the next 2 seasons. Particularly next year so instead of eating up $4.685 Cap space its only $687K.

 

[pdson]

Here are Leafs playoff opponents and competition in comparison.

Boston : Ullmark is Boston's starter and ALL-Star representative and playoff starting goalie.

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TB: Vas is Tampa Bay's starting goalie and All-Star representative and playoff starting goalie.

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Leafs top competition in the Atlantic race have used a 3rd string goalie for 1 single game combined.

Toronto: Starting goalie Murray making the NHL 5th highest AAV.

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Leafs have already been forced to play 11 of their 54 games with 3rd and 4th string goalies, and not the norm in comparison.

Surely you can see and admit this is not going as planned in Toronto.

Leaf Nation is forced to pin their playoff hopes on an unreliable NHL goalie and this situation is clearly not like the others above. Perhaps if Kallgren/Woll are asked to play in and win a playoff game because Murray is unavailable my point will become crystal clear at that time.

Funniest part is that those 40 shots were only worth about half a goal more than the 8 shots Murray faced in that game, which just goes to show how inaccurate it can be to evaluate based solely on shot quantity.

Now come on why let facts get in the way of an agenda lol

 

[rocketman588]

Leafs new GM could also buyout the Murray contract this summer.

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The cap hit is manageable over the course of the next 2 seasons. Particularly next year so instead of eating up $4.685 Cap space its only $687K.

Might as well just waive him and have him on the books at 3.2 or whatever

Better then eating up cap when all our stars need contract renewal ( because our GM gave them 5 years because he's a "genius")

 

[Mess]

Maple Leafs goalie Matt Murray back on IR with ankle injury​

Toronto Maple Leafs goaltender Matt Murray is back on injured reserve with an ankle injury, the club announced Thursday.

The netminder began dealing with the issue late last month and was eventually forced out last minute from a scheduled start against the Ottawa Senators on Jan. 27. Murray was monitored over the All-Star break, and it was ultimately determined he would need more time to recover.

Toronto general manager Kyle Dubas addressed Murray's status further during a Thursday afternoon media availability, saying he isn't expected back now for at least a couple more weeks.

Murray previously missed 15 games early this season with a groin problem. He's been limited now to just 19 appearances, with an 11-5-2 record, .911 save percentage and 2.73 goals against average.

The 28-year-old has struggled repeatedly to stay healthy in recent years. Murray dealt with hip, neck and head injuries from 2021-22 with the Senators, but that didn't dissuade Toronto from trading for Murray last summer to be their No. 1 goaltender.

For now, at least, Murray's injury won't interrupt Toronto's plan ahead of the NHL's March 3 trade deadline. Dubas said he doesn't intend to target a goaltender in the next month and will keep his focus on offensive or defensive pieces.

Leafs goalie Murray back on IR with ankle injury

Maple Leafs goaltender Matt Murray is back on injured reserve with an ankle injury.

www.espn.com

 

[Leaf Fans]

Maple Leafs goalie Matt Murray back on IR with ankle injury​

Toronto Maple Leafs goaltender Matt Murray is back on injured reserve with an ankle injury, the club announced Thursday.

The netminder began dealing with the issue late last month and was eventually forced out last minute from a scheduled start against the Ottawa Senators on Jan. 27. Murray was monitored over the All-Star break, and it was ultimately determined he would need more time to recover.

Toronto general manager Kyle Dubas addressed Murray's status further during a Thursday afternoon media availability, saying he isn't expected back now for at least a couple more weeks.

Murray previously missed 15 games early this season with a groin problem. He's been limited now to just 19 appearances, with an 11-5-2 record, .911 save percentage and 2.73 goals against average.

The 28-year-old has struggled repeatedly to stay healthy in recent years. Murray dealt with hip, neck and head injuries from 2021-22 with the Senators, but that didn't dissuade Toronto from trading for Murray last summer to be their No. 1 goaltender.

For now, at least, Murray's injury won't interrupt Toronto's plan ahead of the NHL's March 3 trade deadline. Dubas said he doesn't intend to target a goaltender in the next month and will keep his focus on offensive or defensive pieces.

Leafs goalie Murray back on IR with ankle injury

Maple Leafs goaltender Matt Murray is back on injured reserve with an ankle injury.

www.espn.com

Yeah Murry went on IR for the Roster spot. It is not a concern for the Leafs at the moment "Matt will go on IR just because we need the roster space,” general manager Dubas said in a pre-deadline state of the union address ahead of March 3. “He had an (adductor muscle) injury, came back and played great for us. This will let him work with (goalie instructor Curtis Sanford) and get him rolling again. It’s not a huge concern.”

Matt Murray back on IR, but Kyle Dubas likes his depth in Maple Leafs nets

The Maple Leafs are back, but without Matt Murray.

torontosun.com

 

[Dekes For Days]

Maple Leafs goalie Matt Murray back on IR with ankle injury​

Toronto Maple Leafs goaltender Matt Murray is back on injured reserve with an ankle injury, the club announced Thursday.

The netminder began dealing with the issue late last month and was eventually forced out last minute from a scheduled start against the Ottawa Senators on Jan. 27. Murray was monitored over the All-Star break, and it was ultimately determined he would need more time to recover.

Toronto general manager Kyle Dubas addressed Murray's status further during a Thursday afternoon media availability, saying he isn't expected back now for at least a couple more weeks.

Murray previously missed 15 games early this season with a groin problem. He's been limited now to just 19 appearances, with an 11-5-2 record, .911 save percentage and 2.73 goals against average.

The 28-year-old has struggled repeatedly to stay healthy in recent years. Murray dealt with hip, neck and head injuries from 2021-22 with the Senators, but that didn't dissuade Toronto from trading for Murray last summer to be their No. 1 goaltender.

For now, at least, Murray's injury won't interrupt Toronto's plan ahead of the NHL's March 3 trade deadline. Dubas said he doesn't intend to target a goaltender in the next month and will keep his focus on offensive or defensive pieces.

Leafs goalie Murray back on IR with ankle injury

Maple Leafs goaltender Matt Murray is back on injured reserve with an ankle injury.

www.espn.com

Why are you reposting an old article from last week? We all already know that Murray was shifted to IR to open up a roster spot for Woll. That's what this whole thread is about.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Murray and Matthews back? Woll and Holmberg have been sent down

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Woll was outstanding tonight

 

[CapspaceKiller]

no issues moving forward with Woll being the backup

 

[Da Cool Rula]

Who do you have the most confidence in?

Woll
Samsonov
Murray

 

[Buds17]

Who do you have the most confidence in?

Woll
Samsonov
Murray

Samsonov
Murray
Woll

*Subject to change

 

[Dekes For Days]

Woll looked a bit shaky, especially near the beginning, but I thought he settled in, and he got the job done. He made a couple nice saves, and largely made up for his previous performance.

 

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[Fogelhund]

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