Injury Report: Matt Murray is day-to-day - Head Injury

[Kiwi]

What did it cost to get Murray? What did it cost to get rid of him?
His buyout, of needed, is quite manageable.

It's ok to not like the signing but to say it was bad is a little bias. He came will draft pick and has played well and will play more. Even if he doesn't we gave up nothing for him.


Maybe not winning but not losing either. At worst it's a push but some posts are going on like it's a massive failure on the GM and that's a bad take imo

If we can't get rid of his contact this off-season and use that money to resign other, more important guys I would consider that a failure

It wasn't unforseeable either, Murray's health was always a question mark and if that continued that 2nd year left on the contract was going to be a problem

It's looking like a problem were going to have to navigate now

 

[Petrus]

We were paid to take him. What did we trade? Future considerations.
We got him for nothing but in return we have recieved wins and good goaltending. Is he injured, yes but basically he came here as a gift with other bells attached so if you want to judge the GM on this trade, it was a win

While I am not the biggest Dubas supporter, we have to give Dubas credit for the goalie situation.

Dubas with the Sanford signing has solidified the goalie coaching position which has been a rotating mess for a while now.

The Murray trade and Samsonov
signing gave Toronto a very strong tandem. If one goalie faltered (poor play or injuries) then the other goalie can take the next game.


While the ideal situation is that Toronto received more for the trade with Ottawa, Murray (for all injuries so far) brings with him invaluable proven playoff winning experience one which we have not had in a very long time.

Samsonov on the other hand, is still growing and slowly realizing his potential as a high draft pick.

In addition, the development of Woll and drafting of goalies prospects has really stabilized the goalie position now and into the future.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Huh?

Murray hasnt do

 

[Menzinger]

Well, we should care if Murray is good or not because he’s taking up a lot of money that could be a top six forward. Doesn’t matter if Woll and Samsonov are cheap right now but that will change for 2024.

The better Murray is the more options the Leafs have on and off the ice.

Sure, and I don't disagree BUT ultimately his worth to the team ( for better or for worse) is going to end up being determined mostly in the playoffs.

If he's injured/plays poorly/surpassed fully by Samsonov then they will get rid of him in the offseason. If he wins a round or two for the team, he's staying.

 

[saltming]

If we can't get rid of his contact this off-season and use that money to resign other, more important guys I would consider that a failure

It wasn't unforseeable either, Murray's health was always a question mark and if that continued that 2nd year left on the contract was going to be a problem

It's looking like a problem were going to have to navigate now

Agreed on the health but there are options if that's the case. Ltir for a year seems like a possibility, buyout, I think he can retire without penalty but I'm not sure on that.
We might get 20 or 30 games out of him next year or he could be traded for some thing. Who knows?
My point is still saying this was a bad deal is not accurate.
Like you said it has always been known he is injury prone but again 20-30 games a season and some mentoring thrown in for nothing while gaining other assets doesn't sound like a loss

 

[saltming]

While I am not the biggest Dubas supporter, we have to give Dubas credit for the goalie situation.

Dubas with the Sanford signing has solidified the goalie coaching position which has been a rotating mess for a while now.

The Murray trade and Samsonov
signing gave Toronto a very strong tandem. If one goalie faltered (poor play or injuries) then the other goalie can take the next game.


While the ideal situation is that Toronto received more for the trade with Ottawa, Murray (for all injuries so far) brings with him invaluable proven playoff winning experience one which we have not had in a very long time.

Samsonov on the other hand, is still growing and slowly realizing his potential as a high draft pick.

In addition, the development of Woll and drafting of goalies prospects has really stabilized the goalie position now and into the future.

Getting Sanford was amazing! But posters seem to only think about what's on the ice, which is important but only part of a GM responsibility.

You're spot on with everything you said. Samsonov could be the real deal of mentored and continues to evolve his game and I'm excited to see Woll get some games. In his 2 games he was good and in the AHL he's always been average, but this year in the A he's been solid and dominating. Is this a product of Sanford or just his natural growth? I dunno but I like it

 

[Dekes For Days]

It's amazing that we have two goaltenders providing positive impact for the first time in half a decade, with a solid balance of young with upside and veteran with experience, and some people are somehow upset about that.

 

[Kiwi]

Agreed on the health but there are options if that's the case. Ltir for a year seems like a possibility, buyout, I think he can retire without penalty but I'm not sure on that.
We might get 20 or 30 games out of him next year or he could be traded for some thing. Who knows?
My point is still saying this was a bad deal is not accurate.
Like you said it has always been known he is injury prone but again 20-30 games a season and some mentoring thrown in for nothing while gaining other assets doesn't sound like a loss

He's a young man still so I've got doubts he's going to be amenable to LTIR all of next season, he's usually out for periods of seasons rather than whole seasons

I don't want to buy him out, we need to clear the decks before Matthews and Nylander need new deals

I doubt we can trade him without other assets attached to him, he's making almost 5M and that's way to much for a guy playing 20-30 games a season

If it's a problem moving into next season I don't think you can say this wasn't a failure, especially for the amount of value we've had our of him, or lack thereof

 

[Mess]

Matt Murray has come in as advertised ... Salary cap dump on the Leafs and unreliable due to availability due to long well documented injury history and track record.

The fact Leafs were able to milk 19 starts and 11 wins sporadically between injuries is already a win after 53 games.

Leafs were already forced to play their 4th string AHL goalie Erik Kallgren for 10 starts and fortunate to win 3 of those games with him posting a .898 sv%. Those 10 Kallgren starts were all suppose to go to Murray as Leafs hoped to split games between him and Samsonov fairly evenly.

However on the positive side now we get to see Joseph Woll Leafs 3rd stinger in action again, because surprise to no one Murray is back on IR again, this time getting hurt and unavailable and he wasn't even appearing in any NHL games to miss action and land on injured reserve. I'm excited to see what Woll can do with this opportunity as he does show some promise and might still be a part of Leafs future going forward. Hopefully he can secure a few wins now and show he is a reliable backup goalie.

PS. Anyone thinking Murray was going to replace Jack Campbell and his 47 starts 31 wins 9 losses and 6 OTL with a .914 sv% is probably disappointed as he would have to play essentially all remaining 29 games just to match the starts and go with a 20-4-5 record to match Campbell's contribution from last year. Leafs would be lucky to get 10-12 starts out of him down the stretch and nobody knows when he will even be available again.

 

[IPS]

Matt Murray has come in as advertised ... Salary cap dump on the Leafs and unreliable due to availability due to long well documented injury history and track record.

The fact Leafs were able to milk 19 starts and 11 wins sporadically between injuries is already a win after 53 games.

Leafs were already forced to play their 4th string AHL goalie Erik Kallgren for 10 starts and fortunate to win 3 of those games with him posting a .898 sv%. Those 10 Kallgren starts were all suppose to go to Murray as Leafs hoped to split games between him and Samsonov fairly evenly.

However on the positive side now we get to see Joseph Woll Leafs 3rd stinger in action again, because surprise to no one Murray is back on IR again, this time getting hurt and unavailable and he wasn't even appearing in any NHL games to miss action and land on injured reserve. I'm excited to see what Woll can do with this opportunity as he does show some promise and might still be a part of Leafs future going forward. Hopefully he can secure a few wins now and show he is a reliable backup goalie.

PS. Anyone thinking Murray was going to replace Jack Campbell and his 47 starts 31 wins 9 losses and 6 OTL with a .914 sv% is probably disappointed as he would have to play essentially all remaining 29 games just to match the starts and go with a 20-4-5 record to match Campbell's contribution from last year. Leafs would be lucky to get 10-12 starts out of him down the stretch and nobody knows when he will even be available again.

How is 'ole Campbell doing in Edmonton?

.887 sv%? God the Leafs sure look like they miss that.

 

[pdson]

How is 'ole Campbell doing in Edmonton?

.887 sv%? God the Leafs sure look like they miss that.

Yes and his 5 million a year salary for 5 years lol

 

[Gallagbi]

Matt Murray has come in as advertised ... Salary cap dump on the Leafs and unreliable due to availability due to long well documented injury history and track record.

Didnt you suggest he was just a 5 win goalie on the decline from a .906 sv%? Wasnt that your agenda for the summer?

Personally i dont mind that hes out. Gives Woll a look and Sammy some time to run with things. Im still more comfortable with Murray in playoffs, something about Sammy concerns me.

How is 'ole Campbell doing in Edmonton?

.887 sv%? God the Leafs sure look like they miss that.

Oof is it stil that bad? I figured he wouls bounce back to .900ish at least

 

[meefer]

Nope, not buying this gift story one bit! And no, unlike you, I think this trade was a clear loss for Dubas.

Why? Because availability is a very important player asset. He'll likely end up missing more games than he's been available to play. Sure, Murray has good stats with our Leafs, however good stats doesn't define the entire story. We need to see if he'll even be available to play in the playoffs. That will tell us the complete story IMHO.

As a case in point, Dubas had to give up a 1st round pick to get rid of Marleau and the final year of his contract. Murray's contract was for more money and was for a year longer. IMHO a 1st round pick should have been the price Ottawa should have paid. IMHO, it was Ottawa that was given a real gift by Dubas.

Murray better not come up lame again prior to puck drop like he did against Ottawa. He forced Samsonov to play the game he was not expecting to start. Goalies have rituals they go through to prepare to start. Murray had to know sooner than near game time he wasn't comfortable starting. He should have made the decision to pull himself from the game sooner.

Now, having dissed Murray and Dubas, if somehow Murray plays in the playoffs and helps our Leafs win the Stanley Cup, all will be forgiven on my part. Until that happens, I still don't like the Murray acquisition.

How can you say this “trade was a clear loss for Dubas”, and then follow with, “we need to see if he’ll even be available to play in the playoffs. That will tell us the complete story “. So you’re ready to state it’s a loss before knowing the complete story? It just don’t make sense.

 

[IPS]

Oof is it stil that bad? I figured he wouls bounce back to .900ish at least

He's absolutely awful this year yet Mess can't stop bringing him up. I seriously don't understand. If we paid him the contract we did Mess would be blabbing non-stop about how bad the contract is.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Murray hasnt do

His numbers suggest otherwise

 

[BertCorbeau]

He's absolutely awful this year yet Mess can't stop bringing him up. I seriously don't understand. If we paid him the contract we did Mess would be blabbing non-stop about how bad the contract is.

Yep .. it's clear Campbell would not have replicated his season last year.

Interestingly enough his high danger SV% is the same, but his PK SV% is way down and his even strength SV% has dipped ... His weaknesses are being exposed on Edmonton's shaky blue line.

Murray was always an injury risk but he has been steadier even if just part time. I always figured he was more of a playoff acquisition in that they just want to get him healthy and in game shape for when the games count, where he could (and has) been a big factor in Cup wins.

 

[Gallagbi]

Interestingly enough his high danger SV% is the same, but his PK SV% is way down and his even strength SV% has dipped ... His weaknesses are being exposed on Edmonton's shaky blue line

Id be interested to know how close those ES and PK numbers are to the back half of last year and his career average.

I think most of us were pretty concerned with his playoff and second half

 

[IPS]

Yep .. it's clear Campbell would not have replicated his season last year.

He had a vezina worthy October/November and that's as far as he got.

Come the new year he turned into the biggest sieve in the league. In his 8 starts in January for performances under .900, he posted:

.667
.850
.808
.800
.898

February 7 starts:

.808
.848
.867
.800

2 starts in March:
.867
.821

Then in April he FINALLY pushed through and made it so that over half his performances weren't came-costing disasters.

This trend has continued into Edmonton this year, and Oilers fans are trying their damndest to run him out of town.

Who the f*** is seriously lamenting the loss of this guy? He's flat out terrible and not even close to starter material and one of the very worst goalie contracts in the league.

 

[saltming]

He's a young man still so I've got doubts he's going to be amenable to LTIR all of next season, he's usually out for periods of seasons rather than whole seasons

I don't want to buy him out, we need to clear the decks before Matthews and Nylander need new deals

I doubt we can trade him without other assets attached to him, he's making almost 5M and that's way to much for a guy playing 20-30 games a season

If it's a problem moving into next season I don't think you can say this wasn't a failure, especially for the amount of value we've had our of him, or lack thereof

There are so many scenarios possible. He still young: he could regain his health: he could go on ltir for stretches during the season and that gets Woll more reps: he could be traded straight up (not likely if he's just a cap dump) maybe just with retention so we eat a bit, Ottawa is already eating a bit and suddenly he's more appealing as what he makes matter less that what the team is paying him in actual dollars.
My point to this is that there are positive possibilities to this as well as negative and those bridges will be crossed when we get there.
Could it end up being a loss, yes but I don't think it will, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Menzinger]

Yep .. it's clear Campbell would not have replicated his season last year.

Interestingly enough his high danger SV% is the same, but his PK SV% is way down and his even strength SV% has dipped ... His weaknesses are being exposed on Edmonton's shaky blue line.

Murray was always an injury risk but he has been steadier even if just part time. I always figured he was more of a playoff acquisition in that they just want to get him healthy and in game shape for when the games count, where he could (and has) been a big factor in Cup wins.

That's what I was getting at with my earlier posts. The relevancy of Murray to the Leafs really is going to be games 5-6-7 in the playoffs. Murray is a proven commodity in elimination games - something the Leafs haven't had since Belfour.

The question remains is if he will be healthy and ready to go when needed (and how well Samsonov has been doing too)

 

[AllDay28]

Ottawa fans…

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the same ottawa fans who thought they won the offseason getting Giroux?

this Ottawa? near the bottom of the league?

 

[darrylsittler27]

So, what do we do with Murray next year?

 

[Captain34]

So, what do we do with Murray next year?

Trade a 1st round pick to unload him.

 

[Mess]

So, what do we do with Murray next year?

Murray has back loaded contract and as such will get paid $8 mil in real dollars, while making $7 mil this year.

 

[crump]

So, what do we do with Murray next year?

After spending the first part of the summer with the Cup, Murray will probably do a School Tour though Ontario in September before next season starts up. Maybe a travelling training camp in cottage country. Then they will look to repeat while contemplating extending him while the core is still in their twenties.