Injury Report: Matt Murray is day-to-day - Head Injury

[Dekes For Days]

Saros is rumored to be available.
I dont think it's worth the assets to go out and get another goalie though. I don't think goaltending is our biggest worry right now. I'm more worried about our depth scoring.

I don't really buy that Saros is available, especially while Nashville is still in a playoff race.
I also don't think people really understand what it would cost to get Saros, if he were available.
I'd put Saros in that top tier of goalies, so I'd feel safer spending on him than most, but goalies in general are really risky and unreliable things to give an arm and a leg for.

 

[ShaneFalco]

We all knew his health was going to be an issue but as long as Samsonov keeps up his play and Woll can step in and give us at least .900sv% or more in his absence, I don't see the issue.

You don't see an issue with possibly going into the playoffs with Samsonov and Woll?

If you believe Dubas, he was very clear in his press conference 2 days ago that he will not be looking at goalie options this trade deadline. Perhaps Saros is an offseason move. I love Saros but am concerned about his size and injury history.

He's a fool
He's never handled the goalie situation well

 

[kb]

I think this is just to give him more time and give Woll a look.

He is currently on the ice, so can't be too injured.



I'm sure they are more worried about Talbot's health currently than their former goalie's.

The Leafs are locked into playing TB, so they are taking the time to heal up injuries and load manage. If the Leafs were in a battle for a playoff spot, Matthews would be playing, and so would Murray.

I think they did this to keep Murray healthy as the stretch and playoffs loom, while simultaneously wanting to have a look to see if Woll can be a viable option as a backup G next season.....

If Woll can be a good backup, that opens up a lot of interesting possibilities for the trade deadline and the summer.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Excited for Woll to get some games here, hopefully he lightens the load for Sammy over the next few weeks. I don't think Woll's talent was ever in question, he's had some pretty bad injury luck over the years...hoping it is behind him now.

 

[HellasLEAF]

Does Woll get one of the back to backs then you guys reckon? Tomorrow maybe?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Does Woll get one of the back to backs then you guys reckon? Tomorrow maybe?

I think they already announced that he was getting one of the games either today or tomorrow.

 

[Hoverhand]

So he's 1 game away from matching his GP from last year, even though we're only 52 games into the season. He's played 36% of them, has a SV% of above .910 and his only real stinkers have come in games where he's clearly banged up.

We got two draft picks with him, the other goalie in the tandem that Dubas bet on is even more successful, and now we get to have a look at a goalie prospect who just made the AHL all-star game. So the anti-Dubas crowd is picking right now to bring out the pitch forks?

When has our goalie depth ever been this good? Beyond the 3 already mentioned, the cupboards are stocked. Peksa, Ahktyamov, and Hildeby are all having impressive seasons overseas. Yeesh.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

You don't see an issue with possibly going into the playoffs with Samsonov and Woll?


He's a fool
He's never handled the goalie situation well

I mean I dont see an issue with Woll stepping in right now in Murray's absence. He's only going to be out a few weeks. If that's what we are going into the playoffs with, then yes I would be a little worried.

As of right now I don't have an issue going into the playoffs with

Samsonov
Murray
Woll

 

[Blaylock38]

Appears they are both unreliable.

I still rather have Murray, but yes absolutely.

 

[Pebble live]

Unfortunate situation but man I'm pumped to see Woll tomorrow night. I would have started him tonight so he had the fresher team in front of him but they're coming off a week of rest, they should be fine for a back to back.

I just don't want to see him left out to dry tomorrow night.

 

[Stephen]

I still rather have Murray, but yes absolutely.

I’d rather a third option. Murray’s just too high maintenance for my liking.

 

[Blaylock38]

I’d rather a third option. Murray’s just too high maintenance for my liking.

Luckily we have Sammy, so we are covered. But I see your point man.

 

[saltming]

Because said GM traded for a very injury prone player from a hated rival. He also didn't get enough payment back for helping said rival by taking their injury prone player's awful cap hit off their books.

Stupid is as stupid does.

We were paid to take him. What did we trade? Future considerations.
We got him for nothing but in return we have recieved wins and good goaltending. Is he injured, yes but basically he came here as a gift with other bells attached so if you want to judge the GM on this trade, it was a win

 

[Al14]

We were paid to take him. What did we trade? Future considerations.
We got him for nothing but in return we have recieved wins and good goaltending. Is he injured, yes but basically he came here as a gift with other bells attached so if you want to judge the GM on this trade, it was a win

Nope, not buying this gift story one bit! And no, unlike you, I think this trade was a clear loss for Dubas.

Why? Because availability is a very important player asset. He'll likely end up missing more games than he's been available to play. Sure, Murray has good stats with our Leafs, however good stats doesn't define the entire story. We need to see if he'll even be available to play in the playoffs. That will tell us the complete story IMHO.

As a case in point, Dubas had to give up a 1st round pick to get rid of Marleau and the final year of his contract. Murray's contract was for more money and was for a year longer. IMHO a 1st round pick should have been the price Ottawa should have paid. IMHO, it was Ottawa that was given a real gift by Dubas.

Murray better not come up lame again prior to puck drop like he did against Ottawa. He forced Samsonov to play the game he was not expecting to start. Goalies have rituals they go through to prepare to start. Murray had to know sooner than near game time he wasn't comfortable starting. He should have made the decision to pull himself from the game sooner.

Now, having dissed Murray and Dubas, if somehow Murray plays in the playoffs and helps our Leafs win the Stanley Cup, all will be forgiven on my part. Until that happens, I still don't like the Murray acquisition.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Hasn't done much

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Hasn't done much

Huh?

 

[kb]

We were paid to take him. What did we trade? Future considerations.
We got him for nothing but in return we have recieved wins and good goaltending. Is he injured, yes but basically he came here as a gift with other bells attached so if you want to judge the GM on this trade, it was a win

Finally a realistic take!! Thank you.....

Nope, not buying this gift story one bit! And no, unlike you, I think this trade was a clear loss for Dubas.

Why? Because availability is a very important player asset. He'll likely end up missing more games than he's been available to play. Sure, Murray has good stats with our Leafs, however good stats doesn't define the entire story. We need to see if he'll even be available to play in the playoffs. That will tell us the complete story IMHO.

As a case in point, Dubas had to give up a 1st round pick to get rid of Marleau and the final year of his contract. Murray's contract was for more money and was for a year longer. IMHO a 1st round pick should have been the price Ottawa should have paid. IMHO, it was Ottawa that was given a real gift by Dubas.

Murray better not come up lame again prior to puck drop like he did against Ottawa. He forced Samsonov to play the game he was not expecting to start. Goalies have rituals they go through to prepare to start. Murray had to know sooner than near game time he wasn't comfortable starting. He should have made the decision to pull himself from the game sooner.

Now, having dissed Murray and Dubas, if somehow Murray plays in the playoffs and helps our Leafs win the Stanley Cup, all will be forgiven on my part. Until that happens, I still don't like the Murray acquisition.

Well. sadly you are not on team Leafs, you are on team "I'm smart"

The rest of the NHL does not exist as a Leafs shopping list that the GM is free to use.

Smart hockey people understand this.

I'm saying exactly what you think. There is a long history of proof for me, and not you.

 

[Menzinger]

I hope Will steals the starters job and leads the team to a cup.

I also don't care if Murray leads the Leafs to their first playoff series win in 20+ years. Goalies are voodoo and he's actually walked the walk all the way to a cup win.

The play of Leafs gaies in February ultimately means nothing to how they perform come the end of April

 

[kb]

I hope Will steals the starters job and leads the team to a cup.

I also don't care if Murray leads the Leafs to their first playoff series win in 20+ years. Goalies are voodoo and he's actually walked the walk all the way to a cup win.

The play of Leafs gaies in February ultimately means nothing to how they perform come the end of April

People are so anxiously waiting to bash the GM.

It's actually far more important to them than winning a cup.

Dubas hater's EGO >>>>>> Leafs win cup.

 

[Stephen]

Luckily we have Sammy, so we are covered. But I see your point man.

Yeah I think if Murray can just be a veteran backup to Sammy we’ll be in good shape.

 

[Stephen]

I hope Will steals the starters job and leads the team to a cup.

I also don't care if Murray leads the Leafs to their first playoff series win in 20+ years. Goalies are voodoo and he's actually walked the walk all the way to a cup win.

The play of Leafs gaies in February ultimately means nothing to how they perform come the end of April

Well, we should care if Murray is good or not because he’s taking up a lot of money that could be a top six forward. Doesn’t matter if Woll and Samsonov are cheap right now but that will change for 2024.

The better Murray is the more options the Leafs have on and off the ice.

 

[Kiwi]

We were paid to take him. What did we trade? Future considerations.
We got him for nothing but in return we have recieved wins and good goaltending. Is he injured, yes but basically he came here as a gift with other bells attached so if you want to judge the GM on this trade, it was a win

I going to respectfully disagree

If he's injured all the time he isn't doing the job you brought him into the organization for and he's getting almost 5M this season and next

That's a lot of cap room he's eating up that we could be utilizing in other areas

Honestly I'd happily give those assets we received back to get him off the books next season

I don't see that as winning

 

[saltming]

Nope, not buying this gift story one bit! And no, unlike you, I think this trade was a clear loss for Dubas.

Why? Because availability is a very important player asset. He'll likely end up missing more games than he's been available to play. Sure, Murray has good stats with our Leafs, however good stats doesn't define the entire story. We need to see if he'll even be available to play in the playoffs. That will tell us the complete story IMHO.

As a case in point, Dubas had to give up a 1st round pick to get rid of Marleau and the final year of his contract. Murray's contract was for more money and was for a year longer. IMHO a 1st round pick should have been the price Ottawa should have paid. IMHO, it was Ottawa that was given a real gift by Dubas.

Murray better not come up lame again prior to puck drop like he did against Ottawa. He forced Samsonov to play the game he was not expecting to start. Goalies have rituals they go through to prepare to start. Murray had to know sooner than near game time he wasn't comfortable starting. He should have made the decision to pull himself from the game sooner.

Now, having dissed Murray and Dubas, if somehow Murray plays in the playoffs and helps our Leafs win the Stanley Cup, all will be forgiven on my part. Until that happens, I still don't like the Murray acquisition.

What did it cost to get Murray? What did it cost to get rid of him?
His buyout, of needed, is quite manageable.

It's ok to not like the signing but to say it was bad is a little bias. He came will draft pick and has played well and will play more. Even if he doesn't we gave up nothing for him.

I going to respectfully disagree

If he's injured all the time he isn't doing the job you brought him into the organization for and he's getting almost 5M this season and next

That's a lot of cap room he's eating up that we could be utilizing in other areas

Honestly I'd happily give those assets we received back to get him off the books next season

I don't see that as winning

Maybe not winning but not losing either. At worst it's a push but some posts are going on like it's a massive failure on the GM and that's a bad take imo

 

[notbias]

As a case in point, Dubas had to give up a 1st round pick to get rid of Marleau and the final year of his contract. Murray's contract was for more money and was for a year longer. IMHO a 1st round pick should have been the price Ottawa should have paid. IMHO, it was Ottawa that was given a real gift by Dubas.

it is absolutely amazing to me that people still bring this up like it is a valid argument, not sure if they have no arguments and think this is one or they just don't know the situation.

Marleau was traded to be bought out, he wouldn't wave unless it was to SJ or a buyout.

 

[Dekes For Days]

it is absolutely amazing to me that people still bring this up like it is a valid argument, not sure if they have no arguments and think this is one or they just don't know the situation.
Marleau was traded to be bought out, he wouldn't wave unless it was to SJ or a buyout.

Yeah, it's mind-boggling that some people can't recognize why it would obviously cost a lot more to move 6.25m in completely dead cap than it would to move a decent goalie that's overpaid by like 0.7m over market after retention.