Player Discussion Marner

[Antropovsky]

8 million Could even pay any tax discrepancy that may come up.

You think an extra 2mx4 a year won't persuade a fella? Sorry I am going to take the 8m in that case obviously. Can pick up a pretty nice cottage or house or boat or whatever you want for that kinda money.

Stamkos loved Tampa and left - the team he captained and only team he ever played for and left ....but Tavares who is one his second team, won't leave for more money?

 

[Confucius]

Stamkos loved Tampa and left - the team he captained and only team he ever played for and left ....but Tavares who is one his second team, won't leave for more money?

Exactly and Stamkos still had the C when he left.

 

[francis246]

Stamkos loved Tampa and left - the team he captained and only team he ever played for and left ....but Tavares who is one his second team, won't leave for more money?

That has been my entire point. I do not believe Tavares will be a leaf making 6 million plus. If he’s making that money it’s gonna be elsewhere not here. Lebrun reported Tampa offered in the 3 mill to 4 mill range for Stamkos, who is better than Tavares. So I expect a similar situation where Toronto says we have 4 million or 4.5 million for you. Take it or leave it.

If Tavares leaves so be it.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Mitchy has been playing much better since Matthews went out. Would be nice to get this level of play when 34 comes back.
Not sure if Mitch feels he needs to take a backseat to 34 but there's no law that says your stars can't all try and be the best player on the ice.

 

[CelticDruid]

That has been my entire point. I do not believe Tavares will be a leaf making 6 million plus. If he’s making that money it’s gonna be elsewhere not here. Lebrun reported Tampa offered in the 3 mill to 4 mill range for Stamkos, who is better than Tavares. So I expect a similar situation where Toronto says we have 4 million or 4.5 million for you. Take it or leave it.

If Tavares leaves so be it.

And limit it to just one year.

 

[ACC1224]

Exactly and Stamkos still had the C when he left.

Stamkos could have stayed in Tampa but took the money instead. Tavares will have to make that same decision.
Ridiculous to think the Tavares situation has anything to do with Marner.

 

[Confucius]

Stamkos could have stayed in Tampa but took the money instead. Tavares will have to make that same decision.
Ridiculous to think the Tavares situation has anything to do with Marner.

I think they may have a little to do with each other. I can’t see one leaving let alone both. If one does leave I think the other will get a bit more than they would have if both stayed

 

[666]

You said everyone's production drops off dramatically and you are wrong, period. I showed you the numbers, if you can't even admit you're wrong when it's this obvious then any discussion with you is a waste of time.

If you can bring yourself to admit you're wrong (not a big deal I promise) than we can continue, and I can address your ideas about matchups etc. If you can't, no need to respond as I'm not interested in wasting my time.

Jebus dude, how many times do you have to be shown the most simplest things. Why can't you just look this stuff up yourself and get over your bizarre obsession with comparing points between regular season and playoffs. There is so much more to the game than points.

Here are the facts:
last 3 seasons 5v5, playoff sample size is small but it is what it is.

	regular season			playoffs			PO/RS
Player	GP	GF/60	GA/60	GP	GF/60	GA/60	GF/60	GA/60
Mitchell Marner	221​	3.71​	2.43​	25​	3.13​	1.72​	0.84​	0.71​
Auston Matthews	228​	4.11​	2.53​	23​	2.83​	2.05​	0.69​	0.81​
John Tavares	239​	2.91​	2.71​	25​	2.06​	2.24​	0.71​	0.83​
William Nylander	245​	3.09​	2.92​	22​	2.20​	2.56​	0.71​	0.88​

When Marner is on the ice in the playoffs offensive production is 84% of the regular season but its only 69% for Matthews and 71% for Nylander and Tavares. The drop in offensive production when Marner is on the ice is LESS than the others.
The entire core all falls off offensively in the playoff but Marner does better than the others.

When Marner is on the ice in the playoffs goals against (in this case the smaller number is better) is 71% of the regular season but its only 81% for Matthews and 83% Tavares and 88% for Nylander. The drop in goals against when Marner is on the ice higher than the others.
The entire core does better defensively in the playoffs as it's tighter checking but Marner does better than the others.

Can you finally shut up about points and start watching the games and not the puck.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Marner looks so much better away without Matthews.

He's significantly less predictable.

I would probably try to create a PP2 unit with guys not on the current PP that are crushing it.


OEL, Matthews, Domi, Patches and McMann or Robertson I guess would be the guys available for it.

That or OEL-Timmins on the point.

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner looks so much better away without Matthews.

He's significantly less predictable.

I would probably try to create a PP2 unit with guys not on the current PP that are crushing it.


OEL, Matthews, Domi, Patches and McMann or Robertson I guess would be the guys available for it.

That or OEL-Timmins on the point.

He hasnt even gotten 1 5v5 point? Why are certain posters acting like hes playing so much better? 2 goals and 1 intentional first assist all year 5v5. Thsts some scary bad production, especially with him playing his ass off for a new contract.

 

[ULF_55]

 

[ULF_55]

Other than face-offs what does a center do that marner doesn't do?

 

[Antropovsky]

Other than face-offs what does a center do that marner doesn't do?

You need to focus on wingers when the puck is in our defensive zone... centers work their tails off while the wingers literally stand still for long periods of time. Centers need to play more physical, and have further to skate, since they come lower in the defensive zone. Babcock mentioned it before...he said wingers can almost fall asleep because their responsibilities are limited.

 

[Antropovsky]

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Ive asked this question to Marner supporters, but they always scatter.

How many of these goals did Marner drive, how many did his linemates drive?

Everyone wants to post paper stats but dont want to discuss the eye test?

https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=all+leafs+goals+playoffs+2024

 

[ULF_55]

You need to focus on wingers when the puck is in our defensive zone... centers work their tails off while the wingers literally stand still for long periods of time. Centers need to play more physical, and how further to skate, since they come lower in the defensive zone. Babcock mentioned it before...he even said wingers can almost fall asleep because their responsibilities are limited.

Oh, I agree they cover a different part of the ice, but marner is already their #2 forward on the PK.

It isn't like Keon played physically on the PK, or at even strength.

Maybe just doesn't want the challenge.

Not every player accepts being put in a tough spot.

 

[WTFMAN99]

He hasnt even gotten 1 5v5 point? Why are certain posters acting like hes playing so much better? 2 goals and 1 intentional first assist all year 5v5. Thsts some scary bad production, especially with him playing his ass off for a new contract.

Marner?

He has 1 pt short handed, 9 PP points and 10 pts even strength.

He could have 20 PP points in 16GP and it's still good production. If it's that easy to do, everyone would do it.

 

[Antropovsky]

Oh, I agree they cover a different part of the ice, but marner is already their #2 forward on the PK.

It isn't like Keon played physically on the PK, or at even strength.

Maybe just doesn't want the challenge.

Not every player accepts being put in a tough spot.

Keon was a diff era. The game has changed alot since. The best players are highly competitive. A couple days ago I saw Ehlers dive into a crease for a loose puck and Rantanen dove ontop of him and started feeding him shots. Marner, as I just posted recent videos of, is timid and scared to skate into a scrum. This is an indication of his fear of physical hockey. His initial response to physical hockey is to avoid it. I watched the Edmonton vs Dallas postseason games and it was incredibly physical and fast, much more than the Boston Leafs first round. Marner wouldve shi% himself in that game. Hes not good in fast paced, physical games.. the puck becomes a hot potato for him and in those games he becomes an 11 million liability. Its why he gets points i4v4 and pp but struggles 5v5.

 

[arso40]

Marner looks so much better away without Matthews.

He's significantly less predictable.

I would probably try to create a PP2 unit with guys not on the current PP that are crushing it.


OEL, Matthews, Domi, Patches and McMann or Robertson I guess would be the guys available for it.

That or OEL-Timmins on the point.

No to Matthews not on top unit and no to Timmins on the pp right now

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner?

He has 1 pt short handed, 9 PP points and 10 pts even strength.

He could have 20 PP points in 16GP and it's still good production. If it's that easy to do, everyone would do it.

Wrong... he has 8 even strength points in 16 games.

2 goals 6 assists. Only 1 first assist was an intended pass.

Think about that... after 20% of the season only one first assist on a intended pass. Thats very bad.

Of course it was to Matthews, in an area probably most dont score (and a set play). I thought Marner fans told us hes the best playmaker in the game?

 

[ACC1224]

Marner?

He has 1 pt short handed, 9 PP points and 10 pts even strength.

He could have 20 PP points in 16GP and it's still good production. If it's that easy to do, everyone would do it.

Paces out to 100 or so meaningless, lucky points every season.
Has a luckier player ever played?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Wrong... he has 8 even strength points in 16 games.

2 goals 6 assists. Only 1 first assist was an intended pass.

Think about that... after 20% of the season only one first assist on a intended pass. Thats very bad.

Of course it was to Matthews, in an area probably most dont score (and a set play). I thought Marner fans told us hes the best playmaker in the game?

You're wrong

 

[Antropovsky]

You're wrong

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Your correct, I meant 5v5, not even strength. Even strength includes 4v4. Marner plays better in open ice.

Marner is ranked 61st in 5v5 points.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Your correct, I meant 5v5, not even strength. Even strength includes 4v4. Marner plays better in open ice.

Marner is ranked 61st in 5v5 points.

Moving the goal posts?

McDavid is a bum then.

 

[Antropovsky]

You're wrong

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Your correct, I meant 5v5, not even strength. Even strength includes 4v4. Marner plays better in open ice.

Marner is ranked 61st in 5v5 points right now.

Moving the goal posts?

McDavid is a bum then.

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Lol.. Mcdavid had 72 last year, and almost a full 1 point per 60 over Marner.

Marner has played 20% of the season this year and has only 1 5v5 first assist that was an actual pass. Try to spin it however you want but thats incredibly bad. The scary oart is people say hes been way better than last year.

 

[thusk]

Massive goalpost shift, did you think I wouldn't notice?

You said everyone's production drops off dramatically and you are wrong, period. I showed you the numbers, if you can't even admit you're wrong when it's this obvious then any discussion with you is a waste of time.

If you can bring yourself to admit you're wrong (not a big deal I promise) than we can continue, and I can address your ideas about matchups etc. If you can't, no need to respond as I'm not interested in wasting my time.

Your abysmal track record with predictions gives me some hope.

This is an excellent point, and yet another reason why unless Marner absolutely kills it in the playoffs Marner should not be resigned, period.

I said Everyone game drop in playoff and you trying to convince yourself its not the case by moving down production but ignoring the fact than Marner started to play at rate of 75-82% vs top matchup ( he's playing at higher rate vs opp top 6 than Barkov who's probably right now top 2-way player in the NHL) but Nylander drop at 50-55%

You just want everything to blame Marner over anyone else than you're just unable to accept than its different to play vs Pastrnak/Kucherov than Maroon.

Just as exemple Despite Nylander missed 3 game, he played 12 minutes more than Marner in the series ( 19 min total)

Why are you doing all of that Nylanders unable to create anything ? Did you see what he did last year ? He improves every year so it’s fair to look at his improvement and suggest it’s going to continue looking at marner it’s harder to justify him improving cause he hasn’t really done so the last couple of years but he’s playing a bit more physical so here’s to hoping it translates but let’s not doing that my friend


No he hasn’t I can see him being more engaged physically but Mitch’s magic has been evident in the regular season for years I want him resigned too but he won’t be eligible for this next level til the playoffs easy on the glazing

outside of MTL series he scored 1 5v5 goal and like 3 or 4 assist against any top opp line in 47 game.

Everything he did offensively was in the 31 min he played against boston bottom 6 ( and like i said despite missed 3 game played 12 min more than marner against those matchup, it's huge).

The day he will be able to translate it even gaibst good player, it will be different but right now he just showing he can't play those matchup