No, just never seen someone cherry-pick stats more, and you still haven't addressed points I've made in the past based on stats you've posted.
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No, just never seen someone cherry-pick stats more, and you still haven't addressed points I've made in the past based on stats you've posted.
That crappy washed up, overpaid Tavares guy scored 3 ES goals yesterday. That's just one less ES goal than Marner has scored in his last 38 games.
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Got to love that every single season and playoffs we hear the same from Marner fans and even Marner himself. He's setting players up, shots just aren't falling.... meanwhile Marner isn't shooting at empty net that his teammates give him. Show me an empty net that his linemates passed up on. How many shots has he passed up on to try and deke the puck into the net.
If the excuse year and year out (especially playoffs) is that his linemates aren't burying the chances...than Marner isn't an 11 million dollar playmaker. It's not a coincidence. Hockey gods aren't out to get Marner. His passes just aren't that good.
Only took a few games for Max Patch to set Tavarss up for a wide open net. Than again, Patches was near the net...maybe if Marner wasn't always standing on the perimeter his linemates would benefit? Look where all Tavares lines goals were yesterday. All Knies and Matthews points are around the net.... outlier? Marner.
If the excuse year and year out (especially playoffs) is that his linemates aren't burying the chances...than Marner isn't an 11 million dollar playmaker. It's not a coincidence. Hockey gods aren't out to get Marner. His passes just aren't that good.
Only took a few games for Max Patch to set Tavarss up for a wide open net. Than again, Patches was near the net...maybe if Marner wasn't always standing on the perimeter his linemates would benefit? Look where all Tavares lines goals were yesterday. All Knies and Matthews points are around the net.... outlier? Marner.
The reason nobody would say that is because very clearly, none of them are, and it's a ridiculous thing to say. You attempted to justify your poor position on Marner by pointing to the playoff production dip that you ignore the actual reasons for, but even the best, toughest cup-winners have had the same thing happen to them, and you even helped show how situation and team-based playoff production is, so now you've admitted that the playoff production dip doesn't mean that. Which means you have nothing.
We did have around 20m cap space. Obviously, that doesn't mean 20m with a full roster signed, just as it doesn't in your scenario.
There's really no combination of available options that necessitates losing Marner, that is worth losing Marner.
ULF_55
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He'd look even better if Matthews was producing.
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How many goals has Knies scored from Marner setups? 0?
Marner has 1 goal and it was on a semi breakaway.
His linemates have 9 goals.
There are two assists up for grabs on goals.
If Marner scored... odds are his linemates production would look alot better. This point was actually made by Mark Masters on Matthews lack of playoff production in 2023.
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ULF_55
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No doubt if Little m scored more often his linemates would earn more assists.
Marner has 10 assists, as many assists as anyone else has points.
Go into any McDavid thread and start arguing Matthews > McDavid because of goals and I will start taking you seriously.
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56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
On pace for 24 goals in 2024 (13 goals in 45 games). As you say, on pace for 8 goals for the 24/25 season (LOL). I'm not paying him $100m for that production and his playoff record of 1 and 8.
Some people will never learn. Here's hoping the idiots at MLSEL have.
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Marner has 2 at ES and 2 on the PP - where are the other 2? Maybe 6on5?
Domi has 4 at ES and 0 on the PP - one more somewhere.
I didn't change anything, I just provided another fact. Sorry you didn't like it.
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Reality.
Opponents have learned how to limit MMs playmaking ability. They know he is a perimeter players and rush him all the time. It's the primary reason AM is less productive. MM is not as dynamic or as effective as he has been in the past and needs 26 freaking mins a night to offset the loss of performance.
Let's ignore this some more though. Show some production per minute stats.
Opponents have learned how to limit MMs playmaking ability. They know he is a perimeter players and rush him all the time. It's the primary reason AM is less productive. MM is not as dynamic or as effective as he has been in the past and needs 26 freaking mins a night to offset the loss of performance.
Let's ignore this some more though. Show some production per minute stats.
It is concerning if a 10mil plus player needs another 10mil plus player to make him look great.
Being a 10mil plus player mean being one of the best players in the league.
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No they didn't have the same thing happen, you are just trying to fudge the data. Everybody sees what Mitch is, a soft skilled diva that does very little in the playoffs. Out of 8 playoffs, Mitch is 0/8 in going .5gpg and 2/8 in going ppg. He doesn't score, he doesn't hit, he doesn't fight and he doesn't win games, he can't even set up one of the all time greats to get goals. Not even close to 12 million.
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You mean like you declared someone's words worthless without supporting information?
Yes, they very literally did have the same thing happen. You're welcome to double check the data. It doesn't mean what you wish it meant.
Marner is one of the best players in the world. An elite, two-way, all-situations player, and we're lucky to have him.
You brought up even strength when discussing all points... you changed the argument to fit your narrative.
Anthrax442
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To me , he is a slightly better Domi, but with the ability to PK. His defensive game in other situations are very overrated. I wouldn’t care if he was a 7 mil player. Couldn’t care less about his assists. Most of them would happen to any other good player playing 1st line with these linemates. His once every 4-5 games TV worthy assists negated by idiotic passes and turnovers.
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All players have flaws, but it's tough not to like him when you get the effort he gave the last two games.
Any prediction on when he signs?
Anthrax442
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no need to replace him. Can sign a PK specialist for 2 and find a good winger at 8
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