I love how a clutch assist to AM late in the game to tie the score is spun as a crappy assist that wasn't even 5v5.
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I’m going to come with middle ground. I do agree with you. But the issue is those teams traded those players. They weren’t walked to UFA. The move everyone wanted shoulda been made in 2021 after Montreal or 2023 after Florida. The opportunity to make that type of move is GONE, unless you can convince him to waive in the next few months. The three teams you named didn’t build via UFA. They made some big trades to change the identity. 2023 was the best opportunity. We brought in some good players and you coulda moved Marner and sold ROR maybe on a new era ect.
The cap space is nice if you let him walk but it’s a massive gamble and people keep down playing it. You have to bank on your UFA signings to produce more than they are worth. Who in UFA would you replace him with?
DarkKnight
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The bum might be the top right winger for Canada. Too funny, this place is a toxic afterthought. Once again reality pierces the circle jerk.
Ones that work in the playoffs. You know, one that is generated 5v5 in the offensive zone.
Racer88
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So a guy with 1 goal so far and a minus player this year is going to be on the first line in some gimmicky 4 nation tournament.
He’s a solid two player only problem is he’s on the smaller side plays every bit his size and gets in his own head in the playoffs when the games matter let’s hope some of that can change cause he’s got the skill to be great
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I fully expect Reinhart and Marner to be the top RW. I think Point will play his off wing or C. Canada’s very loaded with right hand shots. Verhaghe has to be on this team too. Guys a stud, sucks we let him go in a throw away deal.
Wow
1. Any trade is possible if parties agree.
2. The point of the discussion is at the percentage of the cap he MAY want, likev13+ for 5 or 8, his cap space is more value than he is. We are losers, we must be prepared to try and win, with or without Mitchy. His demands will make the decision for us. He is a very good, superior player, but he has a limit
Of course there's a limit. I wouldn't pay him max. But there's no reason to think that it's going to take anything close to max.
Nothing is twisted. You can easily verify the data yourself. Those stretches of season-playoff production discrepancies aren't as abnormal as you want them to be, and they happen to all sorts of players. It doesn't mean what you want it to.
Marner isn't any of those. Marner is the Backstrom, who was kept. The Bergeron, who was kept. The Barkov, who was kept.
Both parties would not agree to that. It's not realistic. I'm talking about realistic alternatives before we throw away one of the best players this franchise has ever seen.
It's not though. People overrate what cap space actually gets you.
Bergeron Center 6'1 196lbs
Barkov Center 6'3 214lbs
Backstrom Center 6'1 202lbs
Marner Winger 6'0 180lbs
There's a big difference between Marner and these guys.
Reinhart C, 8.6 million after a 57 goal, 94 point season and Stanley cup.
We paid Nylander W, 11.5 million after a 98 point season.
Now we are talking about Marner, pacing 8-10 goals for 11.5-12 million? Marner has 4 even strength goals in his last 36 games.
How do we think we are going to compete against the leagues best?
We paid Nylander W, 11.5 million after a 98 point season.
Now we are talking about Marner, pacing 8-10 goals for 11.5-12 million? Marner has 4 even strength goals in his last 36 games.
How do we think we are going to compete against the leagues best?
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almost like the big difference when comparing hyman and marner on opposite wings on that graphic above.
and yet, somehow, someway, it was used to evidence to BOOST marner.
twilight zone 'round here.
marner continues to be garbage. least this'll be the last year we have to see him wearing Leafs colours.
Gary Nylund
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This would be interesting to have a look at if you can find it again. It appears to me that Marner scores a lot of cheap points anyway but if there was some hard data backing this up, yeah that would be interesting.
Here it is:
Is Mitch Marner The Most Overrated Player in the NHL?
His conclusion was yes 5v5 Marner is.
leafs in five
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I would take some PP points in the playoffs personally but fine. which of his points this year have not been generated in the offensive zone?
Leaf Fans
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Perhaps he made an excellent defensive play that resulted in a goal?
leafs in five
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yeah maybe, I can't recall though, and Antrop seems to know the details of every point the guy has ever scored/lucked into
HolyCrap
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Marner isnt that heavy or tall either. Mind you all players sizes are exaggerated.
GoonieFace
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You are right. I met him last year, no way he is 180lbs.
This was official from leafs camp, but I too would be surprised if hes 6' 180.
HolyCrap
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It doesn’t matter. It’s not accurate. I’m 6 ft and 205 and I dwarf him. I’ve met several players who joked that the sizes are exaggerated.
Anthrax442
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Its not the 10 games. Its the 8 seasons (going on 9). He is the only one that has failed every playoffs. every playoffs. And he is about to get a pay raise, when he isnt living up to his contract now.
thewave
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At 13m I can assure we will be a better team with a 7m and 6m player instead. He does not have the level of impact needed to command that money.
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