Player Discussion Marner

[arso40]

Bergeron Center 6'1 196lbs
Barkov Center 6'3 214lbs
Backstrom Center 6'1 202lbs
Marner Winger 6'0 180lbs

There's a big difference between Marner and these guys.

What the hell is up with that guy marners a good two way winger he’s not a stalwart defender I don’t care what the selke votes say he’s not top 5 defensive forward in the league at all barkov danault kopitar lindholm adam Lowry that’s 5 forwards and I can keep going trust me

 

[arso40]

Nylander this season had been real (and like his entire carreer) rollercoaster, 1 game he could fly on the ice and be the best player and the next game game completly invisible with basically no impact to the game.

Nylander had 4 amaizing game
Like 5 pretty trash game
and 1 okay game


When he's hot, he's extremely hot but when he's cold, he's incredibly cold vs Marner had been the most constant leafs player this season.

Who do you think coach like Berube will prefer the most to build a team identity, the constant player or the polarized one you never saw wich version you gonna get?

You think marners been the most consistent?

 

[HolyCrap]

Marner can't do jack on the boards which is why he does jack in the playoffs

I wouldnt wanna be Jack in the playoffs then




And I will see myself out.

 

[notDatsyuk]

It's so weird. Not sure why 'fans' lol, would be so scared of a player playing well but the idiocy is certainly ramped up the better he plays.

I really don't think anyone is scared of him playing well (except maybe fans of other teams).

The issue many posters have is the hype - yes he's very good, but there are a few posters who regularly say that he's one of the very best players in the league (you could make an argument that he's not even the second best player on the team), and that seems to be what triggers the rebuttals.

Not his performance, but the hyperbole about it.

 

[Gabriel426]

I really don't think anyone is scared of him playing well (except maybe fans of other teams).

The issue many posters have is the hype - yes he's very good, but there are a few posters who regularly say that he's one of the very best players in the league (you could make an argument that he's not even the second best player on the team), and that seems to be what triggers the rebuttals.

Not his performance, but the hyperbole about it.

100% agree.

Some here just praise him like he is the best player since the dawn of time whenever he is on a heater. Also for some strange reasons, these same posters won't acknowledge Willie's play and will constantly attack every single Willie's mistake or misplay.

It seems like you can't be fans of both it is either or, lol.

MM is a great player but he is not the top 20 players in this league and I don't see why being a top 30 players is some sort of bad thing.

 

[notDatsyuk]

100% agree.

Some here just praise him like he is the best player since the dawn of time whenever he is on a heater. Also for some strange reasons, these same posters won't acknowledge Willie's play and will constantly attack every single Willie's mistake or misplay.

It seems like you can't be fans of both it is either or, lol.

MM is a great player but he is not the top 20 players in this league and I don't see why being a top 30 players is some sort of bad thing.

Personally I'm a fan of both, and pretty much anyone else wearing a Leafs' uniform.

But I swear, in my 70 years of watching sports I have not seen a player who brings out such opposing opinions as regularly as Marner does.

I think part of it is the anonymity provided by the internet, but there still seems to be more about him than anyone else.

 

[Mr_Fun]

100% agree.

Some here just praise him like he is the best player since the dawn of time whenever he is on a heater. Also for some strange reasons, these same posters won't acknowledge Willie's play and will constantly attack every single Willie's mistake or misplay.

It seems like you can't be fans of both it is either or, lol.

MM is a great player but he is not the top 20 players in this league and I don't see why being a top 30 players is some sort of bad thing.

I'm a fan of both Nylander and Marner. I do know what you mean though. There's a strange dynamic on this board with both Marner vs Willie and Dubas vs Tre. I don't follow it all too, too closely, but it does seem like both sides are always trying to rub the other sides nose in any perceived mess like a dog owner would do to his dog.

Marner discussion is such a polarizing issue on this board (and amongst Leaf fans in general). Yes, I'm generally one of the "Marnerites", however, I do see some of the anti-Marners side here. Even though I've found some these takes a little over the top, I still have a lot of respect for the posters posting in this thread.

 

[Gabriel426]

Personally I'm a fan of both, and pretty much anyone else wearing a Leafs' uniform.

But I swear, in my 70 years of watching sports I have not seen a player who brings out such opposing opinions as regularly as Marner does.

I think part of it is the anonymity provided by the internet, but there still seems to be more about him than anyone else.

I'm a fan of both Nylander and Marner. I do know what you mean though. There's a strange dynamic on this board with both Marner vs Willie and Dubas vs Tre. I don't follow it all too, too closely, but it does seem like both sides are always trying to rub the other sides nose in any perceived mess like a dog owner would do to his dog.

Marner discussion is such a polarizing issue on this board (and amongst Leaf fans in general). Yes, I'm generally one of the "Marnerites", however, I do see some of the anti-Marners side here. Even though I've found some these takes a little over the top, I still have a lot of respect for the posters posting in this thread.

It seems like from the very beginning, the Leafs can only have one of them instead of both.
It is really strange. I criticized both when they played bad and praised them when they play well.

Like both of you, I am a fan of the LOGO in the front and not the NAME in the back. I still believe Leafs winning the Cup is more important than any individual awards and if Leafs winning the Cup means trading AM away, or letting MM walks, lets do that.

 

[IPS]

Personally I'm a fan of both, and pretty much anyone else wearing a Leafs' uniform.

But I swear, in my 70 years of watching sports I have not seen a player who brings out such opposing opinions as regularly as Marner does.

I think part of it is the anonymity provided by the internet, but there still seems to be more about him than anyone else.

And apparently if you don't agree with this next level hype of him being one of the undisputed best players in the league you're just part of some hate cult and can't be considered a real fan. The Marner PR crew has done a masterful job at crafting this dichotomy.

 

[Madap]

I’ll be honest, I can’t believe there are people with 70+ thousand posts on this site that actually believe this guy is worth his contract and still have the audacity to make fun of others who think differently. The arrogance of some people lol.

 

[Dekes For Days]

20-34 lbs isnt meaningful?

lbs isn't meaningful in general.

 

[leafs in five]

stumbled onto another article about how the points scored by this player I hate shouldn't actually be counted as points when you think about it

 

[leafs in five]

I’ll be honest, I can’t believe there are people with 70+ thousand posts on this site that actually believe this guy is worth his contract and still have the audacity to make fun of others who think differently. The arrogance of some people lol.

thank you for being honest

 

[Confucius]

100% agree.

Some here just praise him like he is the best player since the dawn of time whenever he is on a heater. Also for some strange reasons, these same posters won't acknowledge Willie's play and will constantly attack every single Willie's mistake or misplay.

It seems like you can't be fans of both it is either or, lol.

MM is a great player but he is not the top 20 players in this league and I don't see why being a top 30 players is some sort of bad thing.

You are bang on with the praise and hate thing, with me anyway. I like all the core 4 even JT but he is overpaid. When I see a guy being picked on it is almost the same as seeing a guy being bullied in real life. I just walk by if it’s a minor tussle or shouting but if he is just getting the crap beat out of him I will try and stop it. So here on the forum if One mistake gets played back forever why not the same for all? Then it appears I’m not a fan and just hate everyone. lol!

 

[leafs in five]

Personally I'm a fan of both, and pretty much anyone else wearing a Leafs' uniform.

But I swear, in my 70 years of watching sports I have not seen a player who brings out such opposing opinions as regularly as Marner does.

I think part of it is the anonymity provided by the internet, but there still seems to be more about him than anyone else.

I agree but I think the reason for a lot of the acrimony is pretty clear (he is a puny effete zoomer)

 

[thewave]

I agree but I think the reason for a lot of the acrimony is pretty clear (he is a puny effete zoomer)

Pretty much but don't forget the lack of ability in situations that are needed genuinely advance this team. The arguments are well laid out and completely ignored by his supporters. I flat out asked the most basic questions and they do not answer or dance around.

1. Is he playing up to his current contract?

2. Does he deserve a raise?

3. Has he demonstrated the ability to genuinely get us over the hump in PO or elimination game situations?

Obviously the legitimate answer is no to the above. The supporters of his will dance around

 

[leafs in five]

as others have said I think it's fair enough for him to get a bit more than Nylander. maybe that seals this team's fate as one that never gets over the hump, I don't think that's assured at all but what do I know.

I think he played well to well-enough in all the Tampa series and the first Boston one, not so good last year or obviously in the Montreal and CBJ ones.

the other thing about the identity politics aspect of the debate around Marner is that his biggest backer was a know-it-all millenial rookie GM who never played the game. it's like a perfect storm of the sort of generational identities that traditional hockey fans are conditioned to hate.

 

[Confucius]

Pretty much but don't forget the lack of ability in situations that are needed genuinely advance this team. The arguments are well laid out and completely ignored by his supporters. I flat out asked the most basic questions and they do not answer or dance around.

1. Is he playing up to his current contract?

2. Does he deserve a raise?

3. Has he demonstrated the ability to genuinely get us over the hump in PO or elimination game situations?

Obviously the legitimate answer is no to the above. The supporters of his will dance around

Yes
No
He can get you the puck, whether you score or not is now out of his hands. Mathews leads the league in shots and that’s not counting his numerous high and wides. Mathews is shooting 8.5 %, if he was shooting a more respectable 16% we may only have had 1 or 2 losses so far. But sure it’s Marner’s Fault.

 

[thewave]

Yes
No
He can get you the puck, whether you score or not is now out of his hands. Mathews leads the league in shots and that’s not counting his numerous high and wides. Mathews is shooting 8.5 %, if he was shooting a more respectable 16% we may only have had 1 or 2 losses so far. But sure it’s Marner’s Fault.

1. Is certainly no. He is ranked 28th in points and paid top 10.

3. Really is debatable but when the nuts and bolts are sorted is a no. That's why people bring up the domi comparison which has a good sample size.

The worst part is that he is currently stapled to Matthews and PP1. Why? If Matthews is struggling is it because MM? Maybe that's a thing. Does it change optics if I say maybe Matthews need put on a new line with Knies because it's not working out now.

Forcing AM to take a productive hit so MM can have the best year of his life for contract purposes only, isn't ideal. Maybe Mitch and Knies is a McDavid and Hyman thing. Mix it up

 

[Confucius]

1. Is certainly no. He is ranked 28th in points and paid top 10.

3. Really is debatable but when the nuts and bolts are sorted is a no. That's why people bring up the domi comparison which has a good sample size.

The worst part is that he is currently stapled to Matthews and PP1. Why? If Matthews is struggling is it because MM? Maybe that's a thing. Does it change optics if I say maybe Matthews need put on a new line with Knies because it's not working out now.

Mathews not scoring, Knies started scoring the last 5 games, Marner is the constant, steady throughout all 10 games. It’s nice that he has options. As I said he gives the shooters their opportunity. That is his strong suit. Ofcourse he isn’t great at everything.

 

[leafs in five]

I don't think MM is causing Matthews to rip open looks in the slot off the end boards. like that AM chance in OT in Boston, if Nylander had kept moving around the net it might have killed him

 

[thewave]

Mathews not scoring, Knies started scoring the last 5 games, Marner is the constant steady throughout all 10 games. It’s nice that he has options. As I said he gives the shooters their opportunity. That is his strong suit. Ofcourse he isn’t great at everything.

There is an argument to be made that Matthews struggles is an incompatibility issue with Marners current style of play. Perhaps in his effort to maximize his contract value he is cheating aspects of his game which Matthews is covering for, thereby taking away from his (AM) productivity.

 

[Confucius]

There is an argument to be made that Matthews struggles is an incompatibility issue with Marners current style of play. Perhaps in his effort to maximize his contract value he is cheating aspects of his game which Matthews is covering for, thereby taking away from his (AM) productivity.

Why incompatible? He leads the league in shots he is getting the opportunities. If Mathews only had 20 shots I may agree with you.

 

[thewave]

Why incompatible? He leads the league in shots he is getting the opportunities. If Mathews only had 20 shots I may agree with you.

Where are his shots from? Perhaps if I were the coach I would be asking my #1 Star what he thinks is happening and if he wants to switch it up or just try it. We need to get him scoring or are we scared to move him off the line?

Matthews is certainly struggling.

My personal observation is that the way MM is playing right now causes AM to have to work harder to get his chances than is required. I am essentially saying MM is cheating but getting points.

 

[leafs in five]

Where are his shots from? Perhaps if I were the coach I would be asking my #1 Star what he thinks is happening and if he wants to switch it up or just try it. We need to get him scoring or are we scared to move him off the line?

Matthews is certainly struggling.

My personal observation is that the way MM is playing right now causes AM to have to work harder to get his chances than is required. I am essentially saying MM is cheating but getting points.

cheating how? as like not attending to defensive duties? that doesn't seem accurate to me!