Player Discussion Marner

[Maple Leaf]

I think you trade each star for two good players and before you know it you got somethin

 

[Confucius]

Berube likes Marner’s penalty killing, but there's no way a coach who wants his players to play north-south, avoid being cute, and be physical "loves" Mitch Marner. In fact, Berube often talks about certain players being too cute and playing east-west.

Shocker—could it be that Berube appreciates parts of Marner’s game while disliking others?

No, that couldn’t be possible. You can only love or hate a player! Nothing in between!

Well that appears to be the case around here. Don’t forget as much as I like Marner I wouldn’t renew him at more than 11, so yeah less than William

 

[Racer88]

Because it wasn't as simple as the misleading freeze frame makes it look.

The picture is the picture. Hockey happen fast and the great players play it at a fast pace. I thought Marner had this great vision……….i guess not

 

[Dekes For Days]

Marner isn't even remotely close to a 12 million dollar player. His p/60 goes from 12th in the season to 42nd in the playoffs.

Marner is absolutely a 12m player. I don't know what p/60 you're referencing because you've given no time frame or game state. It seems like you're using all-situations p/60, which is not how you use p/60 in the first place, as you're equating PP and PK time and comparatively punishing Marner for being an all-situations player. In the 2020s, Marner is tied for the 3rd best producer at 5v5, and the 12th best producer on the PP, while bringing better defense than most of the top producers, and PK impacts that many of the top producers don't. The playoff production is a situation-based team and opponent phenomenon, not an individual one. He's still a top producer on the team.

Maybe you should read what I said. Trading him for draft pieces is dumb, not getting a great dman in return then he stays..

I did read what you said, but your alternative is not an actual option. We're not trading him. So it's either we re-sign him, or he walks for nothing.
It's also not a question of Marner or a top defenseman. Really, it's a question of Marner or overpriced mid-tier UFAs that will likely provide less collective impact than Marner.

lets see what dubas says about that

He doesn't say anything about that.

The picture is the picture.

And pictures can be misleading.

 

[NVious]

Marner is absolutely a 12m player. I don't know what p/60 you're referencing because you've given no time frame or game state. It seems like you're using all-situations p/60, which is not how you use p/60 in the first place, as you're equating PP and PK time and comparatively punishing Marner for being an all-situations player. In the 2020s, Marner is tied for the 3rd best producer at 5v5, and the 12th best producer on the PP, while bringing better defense than most of the top producers, and PK impacts that many of the top producers don't. The playoff production is a situation-based team and opponent phenomenon, not an individual one. He's still a top producer on the team.

I did read what you said, but your alternative is not an actual option. We're not trading him. So it's either we re-sign him, or he walks for nothing.
It's also not a question of Marner or a top defenseman. Really, it's a question of Marner or overpriced mid-tier UFAs that will likely provide less collective impact than Marner.

He doesn't say anything about that.

And pictures can be misleading.

I'm comparing season to playoffs which doesn't make any sense as to why he drops so much unless he is soft little brat who gets outmuscled and turns into a mediocre player come playoff time.

You are alone in that assessment that Marner is worth that money.

He's not worth it when it comes to playoff point production
He is 10000000000% not worth it when it comes to playoff goal production
He certainly isn't worth it when it comes to results

Nazem Kadri's ppg in the playoffs is .85, the "vastly superior, top 5 money in the league deserving" Marner is .87, so we're gonna pay him 5+ million extra for .02 extra in the playoffs LMFAO (minus the hits and fighting ofc)

Zach Hyman outscored MITCH'S CAREER in one playoff run with 16 goals in 25 games to Mitch's 11 in 57, guess Mitch is worth an extra 7 million because his ppg is .12 better

And now I know your final cope "b-but Kadri played with Makar/Rantanen/Mack, b-but Hyman played with McDrai," well you want to PAY MITCH LIKE THOSE GUYS when he's WORSE than players they play with (ofc comparing him to them is insane because he is atrocious compared to them). As if Marner can't do anything Nylander/Matthews and previous version of JT, well he couldn't which is why he needs to go.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Marner is absolutely a 12m player. I don't know what p/60 you're referencing because you've given no time frame or game state. It seems like you're using all-situations p/60, which is not how you use p/60 in the first place, as you're equating PP and PK time and comparatively punishing Marner for being an all-situations player. In the 2020s, Marner is tied for the 3rd best producer at 5v5, and the 12th best producer on the PP, while bringing better defense than most of the top producers, and PK impacts that many of the top producers don't. The playoff production is a situation-based team and opponent phenomenon, not an individual one. He's still a top producer on the team.

I did read what you said, but your alternative is not an actual option. We're not trading him. So it's either we re-sign him, or he walks for nothing.
It's also not a question of Marner or a top defenseman. Really, it's a question of Marner or overpriced mid-tier UFAs that will likely provide less collective impact than Marner.

He doesn't say anything about that.

And pictures can be misleading.

I know you cannot trade him, so at what point is too much, 13, 14, 15.
If he walks we get 10 cap space and if JT leaves that jumps to 21+.

 

[Niagara Bill]

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Unless it’s Bennett/Boeser and Chychrun who is another LHD or straight up Rantanen. I don’t see anyone in UFA that makes our team better than just keeping Marner.

As much as I like Ekblad, when’s the last time he’s played a full 82? We gonna give 9 million to him who’s close to 30 and declining?

You’re better to trade Marner for draft capital and a young player IMO.

To bring up an old subject when we won, Andy Bathgate was 35..result. Stanley in Toronto.
Red Kelly was 32, result, Stanley in Toronto.

 

[leafs in five]

It was reported that this summer he worked hard

this seems like it was solid reporting, he looks fast and is beating guys off the rush at the end of long shifts

 

[leafs in five]

Marner with a TEAM BEST 10 11 points so far this season.

 

[ACC1224]

@Mess we haven't seen your Marner plus/minus stats posted in a while, hope all is well.
We know how important you find that information, maybe your WiFi has been down ?

Marner with a TEAM BEST 10 points so far this season.

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11 points, 10 A.
Still plays too far from the net, except last night when he played too close to the net.

 

[Legion34]

Considering we are probably signing Marner. Can anyone explain how the actual deferrals could work and what we could reasonably expect to save in cap? It’s a potential win win ish if Marner takes his actual money (which would he in the 13-14% aav range)

But the cap hit gets lowered.

Say he took 12.5 in actual money. How much could a deferred contract actually save in cap. Not saying I want this. Just as an illustration. McCabe somehow went down 200k a year by deferring 5 million.

But I typed in the puck pedia calculator and differered 20 million to year 9 and got about 200k.

What would it take to bring his hit down from 12.5-11.93?

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'm comparing season to playoffs which doesn't make any sense as to why he drops so much unless he is soft little brat who gets outmuscled and turns into a mediocre player come playoff time.

Over the last 3 seasons, Marner has had a 21% drop. Over the same time period, Tkachuk has had a 20% drop. Is Tkachuk a "soft little brat who gets outmuscled and turns into a mediocre player come playoff time"? Surely he will never win a cup, right?

2013-2017, Crosby had a 23% drop. Is Crosby a "soft little brat who gets outmuscled and turns into a mediocre player come playoff time"? Surely he will never win a cup (let alone two within that timeframe), right?

In the 2020s, Stone has had a 27% drop. Surely he will never win a cup, right?
2018-2023, Stamkos had a 32% drop. Surely he will never win a cup, right?

Over his career, Marner has a smaller drop off than Matthews and Tavares on his own team. Why are you going after Marner instead of them? Less of a drop than a bunch of players around the league. I guess Panarin, Meier, Kaprizov, Stamkos, Robertson, Petersson, Connor, etc., etc. suck.

Nazem Kadri's ppg in the playoffs is .85, the "vastly superior, top 5 money in the league deserving" Marner is .87, so we're gonna pay him 5+ million extra for .02 extra in the playoffs LMFAO (minus the hits and fighting ofc) Zach Hyman outscored MITCH'S CAREER in one playoff run with 16 goals in 25 games to Mitch's 11 in 57, guess Mitch is worth an extra 7 million because his ppg is .12 better

You're actually hurting your own argument with this, as it makes it pretty easy to see how situation-based playoff production is, and how silly it can be to compare across teams experiencing vastly different things, with no context. In the situation Marner has been trying to produce in, those players put up 33 and 41 point paces. They moved to teams experiencing easier situations to produce, and instantly started producing more. What a coincidence! Marner's production changes align with the team's production changes, which align with the production changes of the teams and players that face the opponents and goalies that we face after us. What a bunch more coincidences!

I know you cannot trade him, so at what point is too much, 13, 14, 15.
If he walks we get 10 cap space and if JT leaves that jumps to 21+.

I'm not looking to pay him 15m, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with the 12m you mentioned earlier, or even higher. We've had ~20m cap space in each of the last two offseasons. Cap space is not the magic fix-all that some treat it as. There's really no realistic alternative(s) that is worth spending it on more than Marner.

 

[DarkKnight]

Under rated storyline, Marner 11 in 10, despite the PP stinking and Matthews blowing chance after chance he's creating. He's been great defensively as well.

Back to whatever this place has become, I can't stay long lol.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Marner with a TEAM BEST 10 11 points so far this season.

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And the most (among forwards) goals allowed while on the ice, both at ES (11) and overall (13).

 

[Antropovsky]

Under rated storyline, Marner 11 in 10, despite the PP stinking and Matthews blowing chance after chance he's creating. He's been great defensively as well.

Back to whatever this place has become, I can't stay long lol.

Lol... chances not falling again? Goalies going god mode in the season now too...this excuse is no longer just the playoff excuse for Marner?

Marner has 1 goal im 10 games. Hss on pace for 8 goals.

Marner is tied with Oliver Ekman Larsson in 5vs5 points.

Matthews struggling to score with Marner for the 3rd consecutive start to the season.

Jeez all these coincidences that just keep happening to Marner.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Lol... chances not falling again? Goaloes going god mode im the season now...this excuse is no longer just the playoff excuse?

Marner has 1 goal im 10 games. Hss on pace for 8 goals.

Marner is tied with Oliver Ekman Larsson in 5vs5 points.

That's all on Matthews man. If it wasn't for the fact that Marner's forced to play with the best goal scorer in the world on his wing, his stats would be so much better.

You can't make this shit up.

 

[Antropovsky]

That's all on Matthews man. If it wasn't for the fact that Marner's forced to play with the best goal scorer in the world on his wing, his stats would be so much better.

You can't make this shit up.

Yep poor sucker, having to play with Matthews. Matthews and his inaccurate weak shot flubbing ALL Marners passes.

Dont forget about Knies on his other wing...hes been dreadful too.

Poor Marner. If only he played with Mcmann, Domi, Patches or Tavares...like Nylander. Than he might have more 5v5 points than Nylander. Marner always getd screwd with linemates.

 

[Skullz]

Marner is absolutely a 12m player. I don't know what p/60 you're referencing because you've given no time frame or game state. It seems like you're using all-situations p/60, which is not how you use p/60 in the first place, as you're equating PP and PK time and comparatively punishing Marner for being an all-situations player. In the 2020s, Marner is tied for the 3rd best producer at 5v5, and the 12th best producer on the PP, while bringing better defense than most of the top producers, and PK impacts that many of the top producers don't. The playoff production is a situation-based team and opponent phenomenon, not an individual one. He's still a top producer on the team.

I did read what you said, but your alternative is not an actual option. We're not trading him. So it's either we re-sign him, or he walks for nothing.
It's also not a question of Marner or a top defenseman. Really, it's a question of Marner or overpriced mid-tier UFAs that will likely provide less collective impact than Marner.

He doesn't say anything about that.

And pictures can be misleading.

I think 12 would work. My cut-off would be at 12.5.

 

[thewave]

Marner with a TEAM BEST 10 11 points so far this season.

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Look at the goal production. It's all from L2. Very glad Marner is racking those secondary assists though. Really making bank off touches and mentions. -1 still.

L1 should be leading the charge. JT and WN have no business being ahead of MM or AM but here we are

 

[notbias]

Lol... chances not falling again? Goalies going god mode in the season now too...this excuse is no longer just the playoff excuse for Marner?

Marner has 1 goal im 10 games. Hss on pace for 8 goals.

Marner is tied with Oliver Ekman Larsson in 5vs5 points.

Matthews struggling to score with Marner for the 3rd consecutive start to the season.

Jeez all these coincidences that just keep happening to Marner.

You like comparing Marner to Domi often... do Domi now.

Tell us all how he is better than Marner with half the assists and 0 goals.

Marner is contributing more than anyone on the team right now, this must eat you up inside.

OEL and Marner are 1 behind Nylander in 5v5 points, you are grasping.

Tavares has as many ESP as Nylander, who is carrying who? Tavares did it in 1 less game.

 

[ACC1224]

I think 12 would work. My cut-off would be at 12.5.

12 seems about right, more than Nylander less than Matthews is where he deserves to slot in.

 

[notbias]

Look at the goal production. It's all from L2. Very glad Marner is racking those secondary assists though. Really making bank off touches and mentions. -1 still.

He has more primary assists than anyone on the team... what are you talking about?

 

[thewave]

He has more primary assists than anyone on the team... what are you talking about?

He isn't even producing at his CURRENT contract value and neither is AM.

WN isn't even doing that unless you factor him being a L2 player with slowboy JT who did have a great game.

You guys just lionize these guys. It's hilarious , especially MM.

 

[Antropovsky]

He has more primary assists than anyone on the team... what are you talking about?

Only 1 5v5 primary assist was an actual pass lol.

Only 3 of all his primary assists total were actual passes (including man advantage).

Yet blaming Marners linemates for their lines lack of production?

How many points do Knies or Matthews have because Marner cleaned up their rebounds?

Naa that would mean Marner is in front of the net.

 

[sunstersun]

He's been OK?

Nothing impressive or beyond Marner regularly.

I don't get it, none people say Marner plays badly in the regular season. He's very good there. There are obvious limitations to his game right now that have been obvious for 10 years now. Overpassing.

His assist numbers are good, but at least 4 of them are just existing on the top line or PP. Goal numbers are barf worthy.

AM is playing bad, but the slack is picked up by Knies, who looks like a complete game wrecker every single night. That assist Marner picked up yesterday? Literally 99% Knies.