Player Discussion Marner

[Maple Leaf]

I think you trade each star for two good players and before you know it you got somethin

 

[Confucius]

Berube likes Marner’s penalty killing, but there's no way a coach who wants his players to play north-south, avoid being cute, and be physical "loves" Mitch Marner. In fact, Berube often talks about certain players being too cute and playing east-west.

Shocker—could it be that Berube appreciates parts of Marner’s game while disliking others?

No, that couldn’t be possible. You can only love or hate a player! Nothing in between!

Well that appears to be the case around here. Don’t forget as much as I like Marner I wouldn’t renew him at more than 11, so yeah less than William

 

[Racer88]

Because it wasn't as simple as the misleading freeze frame makes it look.

The picture is the picture. Hockey happen fast and the great players play it at a fast pace. I thought Marner had this great vision……….i guess not

 

[Dekes For Days]

Marner isn't even remotely close to a 12 million dollar player. His p/60 goes from 12th in the season to 42nd in the playoffs.

Marner is absolutely a 12m player. I don't know what p/60 you're referencing because you've given no time frame or game state. It seems like you're using all-situations p/60, which is not how you use p/60 in the first place, as you're equating PP and PK time and comparatively punishing Marner for being an all-situations player. In the 2020s, Marner is tied for the 3rd best producer at 5v5, and the 12th best producer on the PP, while bringing better defense than most of the top producers, and PK impacts that many of the top producers don't. The playoff production is a situation-based team and opponent phenomenon, not an individual one. He's still a top producer on the team.

Maybe you should read what I said. Trading him for draft pieces is dumb, not getting a great dman in return then he stays..

I did read what you said, but your alternative is not an actual option. We're not trading him. So it's either we re-sign him, or he walks for nothing.
It's also not a question of Marner or a top defenseman. Really, it's a question of Marner or overpriced mid-tier UFAs that will likely provide less collective impact than Marner.

lets see what dubas says about that

He doesn't say anything about that.

The picture is the picture.

And pictures can be misleading.

 

[NVious]

Marner is absolutely a 12m player. I don't know what p/60 you're referencing because you've given no time frame or game state. It seems like you're using all-situations p/60, which is not how you use p/60 in the first place, as you're equating PP and PK time and comparatively punishing Marner for being an all-situations player. In the 2020s, Marner is tied for the 3rd best producer at 5v5, and the 12th best producer on the PP, while bringing better defense than most of the top producers, and PK impacts that many of the top producers don't. The playoff production is a situation-based team and opponent phenomenon, not an individual one. He's still a top producer on the team.

I did read what you said, but your alternative is not an actual option. We're not trading him. So it's either we re-sign him, or he walks for nothing.
It's also not a question of Marner or a top defenseman. Really, it's a question of Marner or overpriced mid-tier UFAs that will likely provide less collective impact than Marner.

He doesn't say anything about that.

And pictures can be misleading.

I'm comparing season to playoffs which doesn't make any sense as to why he drops so much unless he is soft little brat who gets outmuscled and turns into a mediocre player come playoff time.

You are alone in that assessment that Marner is worth that money.

He's not worth it when it comes to playoff point production
He is 10000000000% not worth it when it comes to playoff goal production
He certainly isn't worth it when it comes to results

Nazem Kadri's ppg in the playoffs is .85, the "vastly superior, top 5 money in the league deserving" Marner is .87, so we're gonna pay him 5+ million extra for .02 extra in the playoffs LMFAO (minus the hits and fighting ofc)

Zach Hyman outscored MITCH'S CAREER in one playoff run with 16 goals in 25 games to Mitch's 11 in 57, guess Mitch is worth an extra 7 million because his ppg is .12 better

And now I know your final cope "b-but Kadri played with Makar/Rantanen/Mack, b-but Hyman played with McDrai," well you want to PAY MITCH LIKE THOSE GUYS when he's WORSE than players they play with (ofc comparing him to them is insane because he is atrocious compared to them). As if Marner can't do anything Nylander/Matthews and previous version of JT, well he couldn't which is why he needs to go.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Marner is absolutely a 12m player. I don't know what p/60 you're referencing because you've given no time frame or game state. It seems like you're using all-situations p/60, which is not how you use p/60 in the first place, as you're equating PP and PK time and comparatively punishing Marner for being an all-situations player. In the 2020s, Marner is tied for the 3rd best producer at 5v5, and the 12th best producer on the PP, while bringing better defense than most of the top producers, and PK impacts that many of the top producers don't. The playoff production is a situation-based team and opponent phenomenon, not an individual one. He's still a top producer on the team.

I did read what you said, but your alternative is not an actual option. We're not trading him. So it's either we re-sign him, or he walks for nothing.
It's also not a question of Marner or a top defenseman. Really, it's a question of Marner or overpriced mid-tier UFAs that will likely provide less collective impact than Marner.

He doesn't say anything about that.

And pictures can be misleading.

I know you cannot trade him, so at what point is too much, 13, 14, 15.
If he walks we get 10 cap space and if JT leaves that jumps to 21+.

 

[Niagara Bill]

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Unless it’s Bennett/Boeser and Chychrun who is another LHD or straight up Rantanen. I don’t see anyone in UFA that makes our team better than just keeping Marner.

As much as I like Ekblad, when’s the last time he’s played a full 82? We gonna give 9 million to him who’s close to 30 and declining?

You’re better to trade Marner for draft capital and a young player IMO.

To bring up an old subject when we won, Andy Bathgate was 35..result. Stanley in Toronto.
Red Kelly was 32, result, Stanley in Toronto.