Player Discussion Marner

[thewave]

Stolarz Marner and Willy are stealing the show. Thibgs looking good

 

[Stephen]

Marner's getting going really nicely making a lot of slick plays, showing patience and confidence with the puck

Marner is in peak November form. Seems like every year it clicks after Halloween for him. His pace and dynamism looks great free from Matthews and has a nice give and go thing going with Nylander on the PP.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

The goal scoring is picking up, which is nice to see

He’s been good the last couple games

 

[francis246]

I know leafs fans are rightfully upset about playoff performance but the leafs brass would be stupid to let this guy go. I think he's resigning and they'll give JT the Stamkos treatment(take a substantial cut or walk). Marner is gonna be a life time leaf imo; who are you going to find that can impact the game in so many ways like he does.

Exactly. I’ve been saying this for the past year. JT will be getting the Stamkos treatment. His 11 million is going to get repurposed. And with an elevating cap, the leafs will be fine. They aren’t going to let Marner walk for free. There just isn’t anything in UFA that would come close to having his impact. If you wanted to move off Marner the time was 2 or 3 years ago via trade.

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

Cool nuh yahd mon

Big up yaself arso!!!

 

[HofT]

Marner needs to lead his own line when Matthews comes back.

 

[arso40]

Marner needs to lead his own line when Matthews comes back.

Better lead his own line when Matthew returns

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Mitch Marner 23 minutes of icetime. Lead the entire team.

IDK if he should be playing this many minutes, especially on a B2B

 

[arso40]

Mitch Marner 23 minutes of icetime. Lead the entire team.

IDK if he should be playing this many minutes, especially on a B2B

He’s had great conditioning in the past but it isn’t ideal for sure

 

[sittler rules!!!]

I know leafs fans are rightfully upset about playoff performance but the leafs brass would be stupid to let this guy go. I think he's resigning and they'll give JT the Stamkos treatment(take a substantial cut or walk). Marner is gonna be a life time leaf imo; who are you going to find that can impact the game in so many ways like he does.

While not a Marner fan, I have to agree. His hockey IQ is off the charts. But his playoff courage is non existent.

I think that each of Marner Nylander Matthews should probably drive their own line.

If Berube had it in him to divvy up those minutes. How do you tell one of them to head up a '3rd' line?

Think that may be coming

 

[thewave]

I think that each of Marner Nylander Matthews should probably drive their own line.

If Berube had it in him to divvy up those minutes. How do you tell one of them to head up a '3rd' line?

Its not hard just go hybrid. Use situational lines and assure them 15m each plus special teams. If a line is off one night mix it up.

I mean it can be done and as observed shouldnt have a negative impact. Actually having a positive impact.

He’s had great conditioning in the past but it isn’t ideal for sure

25min plus games before a physical playoff series isn't going to cut it. 23mins is pretty high.

He is playing well but still feel the same about the contract and cap etc.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Please tell me, I don't know and I don't think it makes a difference. I do know Marner played 69 games last year so that tells me he missed 13 which is a month. Did Domi transform into a superstar in that time? He's got 1 assist in his last 10 games this season.

You say tell me, but you don't say what you want me to tell you and that you don't think it makes a difference. OK then, I'm glad we had this chat.

That's not what I said or meant. Leafs fans are right to be upset. All I am saying is that some leafs fans here might have sellers remorse when they realize they lost a guy who plays elite in all situations.

Except the "situation" when 4 games of playoff hockey has been played. Then the checking gets tighter, play gets more physical, open ice isn't so easy to come by and Marner becomes a shadow.

doesn't change the fact EVERYONE drastically drop in playoff... Try to blame someone more than everyone else will change nothing to this simple fact...

If toronto want to win,
Marner
Nylander
Matthews
Tavares
and the rest of team need to be better and don't see their game drastically drop

PS in the 47 playoff he played against any other team than MTL ( where he played most of time against 2nd year suzuki and 10 game in Caufield)... he had been able to score 1 5v5 goal against any top 6 line. 1 goal in 47 game, its pretty consistent im agree with you but not necessairly in the good way.. Nylander had been able to produce because leafs having player like Marner who's taking toughest matchup since his second NHL season and let Nylander playing easiest matchup. I know its a reality Marner hater don't like but it is what it is...

Maybe if Nylander would not be as trash against opposite top player, maybe Marner would not need to play as much against them and produce at higher rate? who's know that never happen

No, they don't. You've seen the numbers, if you don't understand numbers then not sure what else there is to say.

Mitch Marner 23 minutes of icetime. Lead the entire team.

IDK if he should be playing this many minutes, especially on a B2B

I think we all know this shouldn't be happening. I was hoping Berube would be better than this, oh well.

 

[Evilhomer]

I think we all know this shouldn't be happening. I was hoping Berube would be better than this, oh well.

Especially in a garbage game like last night. They could have easily cut three minutes off his ice time without changing the result.

 

[thusk]

You say tell me, but you don't say what you want me to tell you and that you don't think it makes a difference. OK then, I'm glad we had this chat.

Except the "situation" when 4 games of playoff hockey has been played. Then the checking gets tighter, play gets more physical, open ice isn't so easy to come by and Marner becomes a shadow.


No, they don't. You've seen the numbers, if you don't understand numbers then not sure what else there is to say.


I think we all know this shouldn't be happening. I was hoping Berube would be better than this, oh well.

1 goal ( and like 5-6 pts) at 5v5 against any tough matchup in 47 game, if you can't understand the stats, not sure what else to say

or exemple we can also talk about Matthews exemple vs Boston ...overal 4 pts in 5, not great but its ok... 3 of those a 1 game and 1 pts on 4 remaining game. In those 4 game, his line had been outplayed most of the time by marchand line, allowed 2 goal, took a ton of PIM who resulting at 4 Boston pp goal but who care, he was good 20% of time. But stats looking fine... CBS, MTL, Florida series was not better...

So yes Marner doesn't played enough well but who did it? So again tell me who didn't have his game drastically drop in playoff? The only one is probably Rielly

 

[DarkKnight]

He's on a 103 point pace. He's also in the Selke conversation again, his 200 ft game has been amazing.

 

[Gary Nylund]

1 goal ( and like 5-6 pts) at 5v5 against any tough matchup in 47 game, if you can't understand the stats, not sure what else to say

or exemple we can also talk about Matthews exemple vs Boston ...overal 4 pts in 5, not great but its ok... 3 of those a 1 game and 1 pts on 4 remaining game. In those 4 game, his line had been outplayed most of the time by marchand line, allowed 2 goal, took a ton of PIM who resulting at 4 Boston pp goal but who care, he was good 20% of time. But stats looking fine... CBS, MTL, Florida series was not better...

So yes Marner doesn't played enough well but who did it? So again tell me who didn't have his game drastically drop in playoff? The only one is probably Rielly

These numbers have been posted many times. You're posting about Marner all the time so I'm sure you've seen this before but if you haven't, here you go. And if you think this means that "everyone drops off drastically" then ...


Matthews: 18% less points per game in the playoffs vs regular season
Marner: 24% less points per game in the playoffs
Nylander: 2% less points per game in the playoffs
Tavares: 27% less points per game in the playoffs.

He's on a 103 point pace. He's also in the Selke conversation again, his 200 ft game has been amazing.

He's on a roll, they don't call him Mr. November for nothing.

 

[Confucius]

He's on a roll, they don't call him Mr. November for nothing.

Who is they? Google search turns up nothing,

 

[Stringer Bell]

The points are nice and he’s looked better. But 4 goals is 4 goals. The goal pace he is on won’t, or at least shouldn’t, get him 12 million. For that to be palpable, playoffs aside, he needs to score closer to 35 goals minimum.

Serious question. Because I don’t know the answers. How many forwards who make 10 million or more have not scored 40 before?

I know Eichel and Toews off the top of my head.

 

[DarkKnight]

Just post this the next time some low level goon says Matthews carries Marner, beyond laughable:

"Mitch Marner has 18 goals, 54 assists, 72 points(109 point pace) and a plus-minus of +17 in 58 games without Auston Matthews in his career"

 

[Gary Nylund]

Who is they? Google search turns up nothing,

You have nothing to say about the numbers? Take a good look, do you see why your contention that everyone drops off drastically is incorrect?

 

[thewave]

Just post this the next time some low level goon says Matthews carries Marner, beyond laughable:

"Mitch Marner has 18 goals, 54 assists, 72 points(109 point pace) and a plus-minus of +17 in 58 games without Auston Matthews in his career"

If only that were his stat line in the POs.

 

[Nineteen67]

Marner has been terrific again this year.

 

[Gary Nylund]

If only that were his stat line in the POs.

If only, indeed. I can't even begin to think how many more playoff series we'd have won by now if Marner's playoff production was even ~95% of his regular season production as is the league wide average.

 

[GoonieFace]

This is like Groundhog Day every season. Nobody questions Marners skill, ability to put up points etc.

When the game speeds up and tightens up, there just isn’t room and time to do some of the things he likes to do.

It’s early in Berube’s tenure, but it looks like Mitch is more willing to physically engage, at least more than usual.

Hopefully it pays off when it matters. Why it took 9 years to figure out is beyond me.

 

[francis246]

The points are nice and he’s looked better. But 4 goals is 4 goals. The goal pace he is on won’t, or at least shouldn’t, get him 12 million. For that to be palpable, playoffs aside, he needs to score closer to 35 goals minimum.

Serious question. Because I don’t know the answers. How many forwards who make 10 million or more have not scored 40 before?

I know Eichel and Toews off the top of my head.

Elias Pettersson has never scored 40 goals

Panarin has scored 40 once and that was last year. He’s never even come close prior to that.

Jack Eichel

Toews

Barkov has never scored 40 goals. I’m sure there’s more but too lazy to look.