Value of: Marner to NSH at the draft

Porter Stoutheart

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Marner is a gamble if your team is already most of the way there. Nashville is a team that has been in decline. We havent made it past the first round since 17-18 season. We barely snuck into the playoffs last season and missed this season. If we were on the rise and getting better each year, then maybe this is a gamble you take. But not one that you make when your team is on the outside looking in and every core player is coming back from injury related issues. Josi with his 10th+ concussion, Duchene losing part of his finger, Johansen getting his Achilles cut and requiring surgery when he was already too slow, forsberg with a concussion he has had a hard time coming back from, etc.
Although, I think we heard in the post-season pressers, finally, that Johansen didn't actually sustain an achilles injury. He should actually be getting healthy right about now. So that risk isn't the same as we thought at the end of the regular season.
 

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Stop trying to build a team around Josi, you don't build a team around a 32 year old aging defenseman with concussion issues. Josi is the captain, and a veteran presence to help the younger guys coming up. Trotz has already stated that the organization is in a " restart " or we fans refer to it as a " rebuild ".

Marner is the kind of trade you make after you are coming out and need that last boost to get over the top. We haven't even gotten to the bottom let alone get back to a spot where his addition would make a lick of sense.
In some ways it's like the Kings with Kopitar (and Brown to a lesser extent). Stayed with the club through the rebuild years following the Cup wins, and still an important piece, but no longer the focal point of what they were building around. Granted the Kings had some very high draft picks that we don't have, but it's the same principle--no reason Josi, Forsberg, Saros, etc... can't continue to be an important part in (and even the best players on) the team over the next few years and hopefully into our next competitive window, but they shouldn't be the centerpieces of this build.
 

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Exactly. And they have the assets and cap space to build a competitive team while they are still in the primes of their careers, and Saros is only making $5m. I'm sure he'll be thrilled to resign with the team when he's almost 30 and they've missed the playoffs for 3 straight years
I mean, I guess draw it out for me. Tell me all the moves you make to turn the Preds into a "contender" team right now, all the trades, who is the coach, the final lineup. I don't see it. But go ahead and convince me if you can. Or if you say "competitive team"... they are already that. Got the same points as Florida, even with all the star players injured. Don't need to gamble on any Marners to hit that level.

As for Saros staying, I'm extraordinarily confident about that. He's going to be in the Rinne category for us. Lifetimer, no issues keeping him. Nobody can convince somebody else about those kinds of things, though, it's in your gut or it isn't. The Preds organization has consistently backed up the Brinks truck to keep the players around who actually want to be here. I don't see any signal whatsoever that there is any risk of Saros leaving.
 

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Although, I think we heard in the post-season pressers, finally, that Johansen didn't actually sustain an achilles injury. He should actually be getting healthy right about now. So that risk isn't the same as we thought at the end of the regular season.
2 tendons on the side of his calf is the best description i can find. Still.... he looked like he was skating through mud before the latest injury. Just not sure how much id be counting on him
 
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Porter Stoutheart

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2 tendons on the side of his calf is the best description i can find. Still.... he looked like he was skating through mud before the latest injury. Just not sure how much id be counting on him
I'm definitely not counting on him either; I don't know the full prognosis, but the word was he'd be "cleared" by the end of May. Which sounds better than "indefinite/possible LTIRetire" associated with the original fears of an achilles injury.

And which means if he's cleared he could still be bought out in the June 15-30 window, which is what I would do with him if I was going "all-in" to try to construct a contending lineup. :naughty:
 
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It's really hard to trade a player this good on an absolute monster of a contract. Really really complicated. There's a reason it almost never happens.

When was the last time a $10m+ contract was moved? Has it ever happened?
 
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It's really hard to trade a player this good on an absolute monster of a contract. Really really complicated. There's a reason it almost never happens.

When was the last time a $10m+ contract was moved? Has it ever happened?
And with limited term left on that monster contract.

Aside from reaching the Trade Deadline of the final year, anyway.
 

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He's 32. Could you imagine if every team decided to stop building around their star players when they reached that age?
If they have publicly stated they are going through a rebuild they absolutely don't. You seen Chicago building around Patrick Kane? Look at how many teams keep trying to push with those aging Vets and then look at how many of them do anything more than delay the inevitable.
 

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The Preds fans on this board are just hellbent on being a middle of the pack team until Josi retires so they can waste his career like they did Rinne. With the roster they have they'll never be bad enough for a top 5 pick. Makes no sense why there isn't interest in a player who would immediately be the best forward they've ever had
What a lovely glass house you have.

Wait… no! What are you doing with that stone?!
 

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Trading any $11M player approaching free agency is difficult. The team dealing him has to view him as an $11M player, and sets the price accordingly. Yet the acquiring club has to view him in terms of his rapidly approaching free agency.

If the market is not a draw (Nashville is sort of in the middle, I think) and the team not already a top contender (same) that is trending upwards (iffy), then there's no reason to expect he'll automatically want to re-up. I'd rate the odds of his signing a long deal in Nashville about one in three. Not great.

If the Leafs deal Marner, the price is going to reflect his production, certainly. Yet it will also reflect the diminishing years under team control. It's going to reflect his intangibles, the percentage of the salary cap he consumes, and perceptions as to his probable interest in staying with his new team.
 
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Come on. Marner had 14 points in 11 games. Give your head a shake.
its Brutal M&M have to win every single game for these guys, the goalie never steals one the third and fourth line never step up yet somehow "they were given all the tools they need"
 
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Porter Stoutheart

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Trading any $11M player approaching free agency is difficult. The team dealing him has to view him as an $11M player, and sets the price accordingly. Yet the acquiring club has to view him in terms of his rapidly approaching free agency.

If the market is not a draw (Nashville is sort of in the middle, I think) and the team not already a top contender (same) that is trending upwards (iffy), then there's no reason to expect he'll automatically want to re-up. I'd rate the odds of his signing a long deal in Nashville about one in three. Not great.

If the Leafs deal Marner, the price is going to reflect his production, certainly. Yet it will also reflect the diminishing years under team control. It's going to reflect his intangibles, the percentage of the salary cap he consumes, and perceptions as to his probable interest in staying with his new team.
Exactly. And this all adds up to why, from the Nashville perspective, I'd only give up something meagre that was a "no-brainer" upgrade for us, like Duchene+2nd, and why Toronto simply can't trade Marner to Nashville, therefore. I don't know if there are other teams in a different situation than the Preds who can pony up a fair trade price, maybe there are, but it is probably a very short list. So I do not believe that Marner will be traded.
 

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Surely you must have links to said rumors.
Article in Hickey writers 3 more from local Toronto hockey reporters an editorial from the Editoer in Toronto. Even Steve Dangle mentioned it in the game 6 reaction.

Now to be honest there are also quotes from Mathews indicating he would like to stay as well.
 

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Article in Hickey writers 3 more from local Toronto hockey reporters an editorial from the Editoer in Toronto. Even Steve Dangle mentioned it in the game 6 reaction.

Now to be honest there are also quotes from Mathews indicating he would like to stay as well.
Post links.
 
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Article in Hickey writers 3 more from local Toronto hockey reporters an editorial from the Editoer in Toronto. Even Steve Dangle mentioned it in the game 6 reaction.

Now to be honest there are also quotes from Mathews indicating he would like to stay as well.
Links help.
 

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