Trotz isn't the coach, he's the GM and he just hire a more offensive style coach.
Value of: Marner to NSH at the draft
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Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Cool. I'ma go search for an article from that same publication that contradicts what you said and then post a link to it saying this was your source and you were totally wrong.
"Just Google it" isn't an excuse for actually citing sources. There's tons of probable misinformation sources out there. The idea is to see what your source specifically was so it can be determined if it's legit or not - not to adopt your own confirmation bias ourselves by searching everywhere for anything that might support your assertion.
He also mentioned the need for the team to get a top end center. I dont think we are going to blow our load of picks and prospects on a complimentary winger
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Wow this is actually the first Marner thread I have seen that makes sense.
Toronto fans realize the rest of the NHL knows you are not trading Marner due to his play, it's because of salary cap. Don't be surprised if the return is not what you think it should be.
I imagine Matthews is writing his own contract and expects the Leafs to just agree with it
Toronto fans realize the rest of the NHL knows you are not trading Marner due to his play, it's because of salary cap. Don't be surprised if the return is not what you think it should be.
I imagine Matthews is writing his own contract and expects the Leafs to just agree with it
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Byrddog
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I am assuming after two hours now that you found the articles I referred to. Reguardless try he point is that The Leafs have shown little loyalty to players. One only hast to look at the trades they have made since opening day and in particular at the trade deadline with one goal to build a team that could eliminate the Lightning they did that. The problem is that team could not handle the Panthers and we’re embarrassed. To be honest the Panthers would have destroyed Tampa too. As to Marner and Mathew’s if they in fact move Marner then that just adds more fuel to Mathew’s testing F/A. The Lesfs are now facing what the Lightning have the last two years needing to move a big contract in order to fill in the depth scoring. Tampa has refused to do this and we’re able to ice almost two great lines and the bottom 6 that did really nothing. How they thought that Jeanott could keep up with the faster lines in Tampa is head scratching. I was hoping he would fit in on the 2nd line but his skating is so bad the two slowest skaters on the team still out skated him on the 4th line, if you can’t outskate Pat Maroon your in trouble. Jeanott did well in Nashville because he was fast enough to keep up.
Now if the Preds are in fact interested in Marner he will have to play with Forsberg and who knows . But if the Leafs are going to shake up the roster it could well happen. Go to YouTube and watch Steve Dangle reaction to game 6 loss that eliminated them. He questions Mathews sticking with the team as well. It does not matter where Mathew’s plays he is going to top out on money this contract is he wanting to progress to having a chance for a cup I think that’s yes. But if Marner is moved he has an aging captain and Nylander no goaltending and an average defense. So what are the Leafs going to do yes they got thru round one after 17 years. Was that enough? I doubt it that city and organization want a lot more, the fans have paid thru the nose for half a century since they won a cup so I can see why they’re salty. And to tell the truth I can identify. Just making it into the postseason is not good enough. At that level the coach is almost always fired even the GM but little blame is placed on the players league wide. Edmonton is the same way they expect more but there GM can not land a defense or goalie that can take the the final steps. Looks like Bob is going to get his cup he has carried the Panthers in this playoffs. But that team is balanced strong offense little better than average D and a goalie playing lights out. The same way Pekka did when they went to the finals.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Nope; I did some research and found out that you're totally wrong. I saw it in an article on TSN or ESPN or something. I don't have the time to link it here; you'll have to Google it.
Byrddog
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NHL insider drops a bomb about Auston Matthews leaving Toronto this summer: ”They have no choice but to move him”
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Now there are more articles out there and I had to dust off the PC to copy and paste these since I have no idea how to do so on the phone. But yeah I guess im wrong that tere is noone out there reporting the possability .
It is sickening that people just think others make crap up to post here, Now does this prove he is going to jump ship I don't know. But there are going to have to be someone or two go in order for them to pay AM 15 mil per and it will likely weaken the team.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
NHL insider drops a bomb about Auston Matthews leaving Toronto this summer: ”They have no choice but to move him”
Look away now, Toronto Maple Leafs fans… Auston Matthews, one of the biggest stars in the league, enters the final year of his five-year contract this fall. The Toronto Maple Leafs, of course, want to ...
Insider reports that Auston Matthews is leaving the Leafs in 2024
Thoughts, Leafs fans?www.hockeyfeed.com
Would Auston Matthews Really Leave the Maple Leafs?
Auston Matthews is one of the NHL's best players. Right now he's happy with the Toronto Maple Leafs. Is there a chance he could be traded?oldprof.nhltradetalk.com
Will Auston Matthews ever leave the Maple Leafs to go home to play for the Arizona Coyotes?
It’s the Arizona desert mirage some people insist is the real thing.
Former NHLer claims Auston Matthews is leaving Toronto in 2-years
When the Toronto Maple Leafs won the NHL Draft Lottery it marked the end of years of struggling. The Maple
BREAKING: Matthews New Asking Price Sounds Like He's Leaving Toronto
Nathan MacKinnon earned the honour of being the highest paid player in NHL history this summer, with an annual average of $12.6 million, earning more then Connor McDavid and many other superstars throughout the league.
Why Auston Matthews's Future is In Question? - Belly Up Sports
Auston Matthews is one of the best players in the NHL, however, his future in Toronto has been called into question.
Maple Leafs Facing Deadline To Decide Future Of Auston Matthews & Mitch Marner
As the dust settles on another lost season for the Toronto Maple Leafs, the future of the "core four" comes into question once again. And fo...www.nhltraderumors.me
Report: Western Conference team the favourite to land Auston Matthews if he doesn't re-sign in Toronto
Per a report, if the Leafs don't ink Auston Matthews to an extension, this is where he's most likely to end up; click here for more information
Now there are more articles out there and I had to dust off the PC to copy and paste these since I have no idea how to do so on the phone. But yeah I guess im wrong that tere is noone out there reporting the possability .
It is sickening that people just think others make crap up to post here, Now does this prove he is going to jump ship I don't know. But there are going to have to be someone or two go in order for them to pay AM 15 mil per and it will likely weaken the team.
I didn't think you were making things up; my suspicion was that you were looking at articles that were purely speculative and/or not credible rather than actual insider information. And after a quick survey of those links, it appears my suspicion was correct. There's not a trace of even semireliable rumor in there - just folks repeating the same tired speculation about him going elsewhere that has been going on for so long it's an annoying meme used to (attempt to) troll Leafs fans.
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I don't see many teams going all in for Marner this off-season. Probably better for the Leafs just to keep him.
Byrddog
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Sometime one needs to read between the l;ines the bottom line is how are they going to fit 15 mil in going forward. It means someone in there core is going to have to go. The bottom 6 and D and goaltending has to be addressed, And all HF is is spectulation. Just as pointed out weeks ago that Trotz was going to pick his coach while most of the others wanted to promote Taylor, I like Brunette but he only has one season as a HC in the league but that beat out Taylor. Trotz does know the guy without doubt, And it is exciting that his experience with the Panthers did result in a high energy scoring O and reliable D. I do question the roster that they have now and Trotzy may just move some of those picks to rebuild the team. The question remains will he go with established players or be looking three years out. There is going to be much weeping on that board because a number of those young guys may well be done.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
So ultimately we're down from "Matthews wants out of Toronto and is tired about so much there" to standard "well, they're going to have to move somebody" speculation of the type anyone paying the least amount of attention could (and does) do. That's quite the goalpost relocation.
Byrddog
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Not really. The mixed articles if Mathew’s wanting out and wanting to stay on the face indicates he is at least considering it. Each of the last three years after being put out of the playoffs the big three Mathews Marner and Nylander have all been flocked by reporters for comments. Each twinkletoed around the future . Each time they are asked moving forward what steps need to be taken. Each expressed their happiness with the core and tried to focus on the good things they have accomplished together , pretty much the verbatim responses that all the players make. Sometimes I wonder if there is a school they attend to learn the same response. It is rare that any derogatory remarks are made by the players . Some coaches are allowed more flexibility as you are familiar with Torts, Keef does some of this as well and has called out his stars at times. The Leaf and NHL media then draw conclusions some far optimist and far cynically. This is why there are mixed response , the Habs market it’s the same way.
So here is the argument for Mathew’s leaving the entire hockey world knows there plight to get back to the cup. To the point that there is little loyalty to the players on the roster they are quick to punt players for other players if they think it improves their chances. To e last deadline was a good example as well as the rotation of goalies . The offense has not had a production issue but remain a cap problem. Some seem to think the D is good enough that’s really a stretch and the goaltending remain a weak spot. The moves at the deadline attempted to add two way players and for the most part worked for a while. The players know all of this , they also know the cap will need to be moved to take them another step forward. If either of Nylander or Marner are moved it impacts Mathew’s. Either of these players would improve the team the go to and will soften the Leafs, Mathew’s know this as well. It could impact his decision to stick with Toronto. Is this why the speculation made it to print???? In the past Mathews has talked out both sides of his mouth wanting to stay a Leaf and wanting to play closer to home. As I said previously money is not the factor here because no matter where he plays he will get top dollar. The issue is what teams could sign him that have a legit chance to get him a cup. Right now the Leafs really don’t until they fix the backend and tender situation. That is similar to Edmonton each are looking for that balance to get them there. Both score bucket loads of goals but can’t prevent other teams from scoring. So there sits Mathew’s facing the biggest contract in hockey one year left on a team that has struggled for years to get the balance right and the team that is going to move him or one of his peers that have carried they team. So yes if Marner is moved it will increase the chances Mathews plays out next year and at a minimum looks at FA.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
They indicate that other people can come up with scenarios that he's considering it, not that he's considering it.
You're making mountains out of very flimsy molehills.
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Porter Stoutheart
Seen Stamkos?
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He gets his Selke trophy from Dierks Bentley in Nashville a couple days before the draft, probably the party will carry right through.
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As this thread has summarized, we don't.
Well, not at any realistic acquisition cost, anyhow. 2 years of Marner is only useful to us if it upgrades on 2 years of some other big contract we have like Johansen or Duchene, and while we'd cheerfully take that upgrade, there is still a very limited price we'd pay to do so, nothing that would make sense for Toronto.
Armourboy
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I mean we are in a rebuild, Trotz has stated as such, and even some of our own fans seem to have a hard time understanding that. In fact he said just the other day he isn't worried about what happens in 2024, so people need to get it figured out.
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I think the difference is people around here seem to have a very binary definition of “rebuild”. Either you are “contending” or “rebuilding”.
But there’s actually a spectrum, and it’s ok to be “rebuilding” in a way that integrates young talent and aims for a playoff spot, while not full on tanking.
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If something like this were to actually happen, (I know it's not lol) but I wonder if Forsberg and Mcdonagh(with retention) would make sense in a potential deal like this. NSH gets the younger more expensive but overall better player than forsberg. Toronto saves 3 mill on the cap while still retaining a star talent on the wing and uses that extra cap to fill a huge need on their D core, which is a quality top 4 warrior type D in mcdonagh, which is exactly what they were hoping to get out of muzzin until the injuries.
Obviously there'd be other pieces to the deal for value purposes, but as a base, i could see it, Though I heavily doubt it lol
This is on the assumption NSH is planning a long term overhaul and eventually rid themselves of johansen and others etc... Build around Marner, Josi, young guns and i guess duchene.
Obviously there'd be other pieces to the deal for value purposes, but as a base, i could see it, Though I heavily doubt it lol
This is on the assumption NSH is planning a long term overhaul and eventually rid themselves of johansen and others etc... Build around Marner, Josi, young guns and i guess duchene.
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The line of your thinking is right on. The problem many fans just down right deny that a rebuil is underway. And deny that the core is going to aging out when the roster is capable of contending. It will be interesting what goes down before and during the draft. Now would it include Marner who knows but it makes sense to package Mac and Forsberg or either and picks to land age equal talent. It would be even better if they could move Duchene as well. He’s a guy the still has something to offer other teams. Johansen is just a boat anchor and everything considered is untradeable.
Armourboy
Hey! You suck!
Issue with both those is that Forsberg has a full NMC and McDonagh has a NTC. This means any value you get would be limited and that's if they agree to be moved in the first place.
Truth be known I'd just assume move Josi if we are going down that road, who also has a NMC.
DatDude44
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I know they'd never trade him to a division rival, but i'll give u my first born child AND KYROU for Roman Josi lol...just take krugs cap off our hands
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