Value of: Marner to NSH at the draft

[PredsV82]

You are kind of making my point here in that sure Luke might become a top line guy but will still never reach the heights of Marner and Nashville will be competitive but perhaps not really a serious SC contender.

What don't you get about Marner being gone by the time Nashville is ready to contend??

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Funny a short term rental used to be a guy teams traded for at the deadline but this type of thinking is why Nashville has been a muddling middle team like forever and will most likely remain so.

I mean I get that every fan base wants to absolutely win every trade but this talk about Marner seems more like teams looking for perfection rather than trying to actually get better.

Saying this as a long suffering Canucks fan where management has been the biggest impediment forever.

I don't give a shit about "winning every trade". It's just a matter of where a franchise is sitting relative to the acquisition cost.

I think the nice thing that has changed in the last couple of seasons in Nashville is that we've realized it's not sensible to go "all in" at the Trade Deadline moving 1st round picks and futures for Paul Gaustads. Instead, we are hoarding our picks and developing a far deeper prospect pool than we have had in a while (maybe ever). That is what is ultimately going to make or break our team's ability to evolve past a "middle team".

If Marner gave us any kind of "warm fuzzy" about staying here long-term, then sure, I'm all over paying a more "fair" market price for him. But nobody here can tell me that's going to happen, and there's really no reason whatsoever for Marner to ever do that. So if that's not the case, then a 2-year rental player isn't something I'm going to break our internal development approach over.

 

[Soundgarden]

26 million not just wrapped in wingers. But it would give you the best winger depth in the LEAGUE

We've also got Kemell, Evangelista, L'Hereux, Tomasino, and our high first this year, so Marner isn't really a need.

 

[Coffee]

We've also got Kemell, Evangelista, L'Hereux, Tomasino, and our high first this year, so Marner isn't really a need.

You guys are picking a center with the first

We all know that

 

[Armourboy]

You guys are picking a center with the first

We all know that

It's Barry Trotz, no one really knows what he is going to do. He's just as likely to pick a Dman as he is a Center.

Either way we still don't need an 11 million dollar winger.

 

[Soundgarden]

It's Barry Trotz, no one really knows what he is going to do. He's just as likely to pick a Dman as he is a Center.

Either way we still don't need an 11 million dollar winger.

I feel like we're gonna pick sandin-pelikka, feels like a repeat of '09.

 

[Armourboy]

I feel like we're gonna pick sandin-pelikka, feels like a repeat of '09.

It all runs together after 20+ years so I'll just take your word for it

 

[Coffee]

It's Barry Trotz, no one really knows what he is going to do. He's just as likely to pick a Dman as he is a Center.

Either way we still don't need an 11 million dollar winger.

Fine.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

It's Barry Trotz, no one really knows what he is going to do. He's just as likely to pick a Dman as he is a Center.

Either way we still don't need an 11 million dollar winger.

Agreed. We don't "NEED" one. We'd take one if it was cheap enough for us. But if you want to trade Marner at his max market value, then don't call us.

 

[PredsV82]

We don't need to trade our youth for any 26 year-olds. No matter how good they are. That's just not where we are as a franchise

 

[herzausstein]

26 million not just wrapped in wingers. But it would give you the best winger depth in the LEAGUE

To go with arguably the worst center depth.

 

[wetcoast]

What don't you get about Marner being gone by the time Nashville is ready to contend??

Sure every player who has a contract expire moves on right?

Or maybe you are assuming that the Preds prospects don't pan out?

Their window wouldn't be closed if they moves 2 firsts and another significant piece like Luke for Marner but capfriendly doesn't even have them with a first rounder in 24 so it might be a moot point.

Nevermind the 24 first is just a shade issue on the site they still have it and a 15th this year which isn't exactly a super high pick.

 

[Viqsi]

Sure every player who has a contract expire moves on right?

Or maybe you are assuming that the Preds prospects don't pan out?

Their window wouldn't be closed if they moves 2 firsts and another significant piece like Luke for Marner but capfriendly doesn't even have them with a first rounder in 24 so it might be a moot point.

Nevermind the 24 first is just a shade issue on the site they still have it and a 15th this year which isn't exactly a super high pick.

When you're talking about the quantity and value of assets being asked for in a Marner trade, that's not the sort of risk that is prudent to take unless you're already in contender mode and just need that one extra guy. The Preds are not and Marner isn't that guy.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

When you're talking about the quantity and value of assets being asked for in a Marner trade, that's not the sort of risk that is prudent to take unless you're already in contender mode and just need that one extra guy. The Preds are not and Marner isn't that guy.

I think this is the thing: if you are wearing Toronto's shoes, and you feel like you DESPERATELY... MUST.. part with Marner. And nobody else in the entire league is giving you any love. Ok. In that extremity... come talk to Nashville. We have the Cap space. We aren't all gung-ho about Marner, but we'll give you some token return on him. Nothing like you are imagining. But something minor.

If you aren't in that situation, take a walk. You can talk to 30 other teams.

 

[PredsV82]

When you're talking about the quantity and value of assets being asked for in a Marner trade, that's not the sort of risk that is prudent to take unless you're already in contender mode and just need that one extra guy. The Preds are not and Marner isn't that guy.

Thank Viqsi. Was getting ready to type a response but this is exactly correct.

 

[mighty Stanley Duck]

Marner is not a guy you want to invest much in. He’s overpaid, his contract is up soon, and he will be difficult, if not impossible, to re-sign for even the same money, let alone less, which is what he should’ve been paid all along.
11M should buy you a great player with a history of winning, or at least competing for Cups. Instead, you get a guy who took the leafs for all he could get, and set it up so he could try to do it again ASAP.

The only GM’s willing to trade for him would be sending back bad cap, and lots of it, to TOR. To think that some team will eat nearly all of his cap hit and send picks and prospects back is childish.

Also, Marner rate of compensation will throw most team’s salary cap structure out of whack, causing internal dissension. What GM wants to pay for that?

I predict Marner goes to UFA when his contract is up. It will be interesting to see what he gets on the open market.

Before this playoffs, if you have opened poll is Bobrovsky overpaid and can you win SC with him, i think 80 % of people would say he is overpaid and considering his Panthers tenure, there is small chance he can lead you to the SC.
What i wanna to say, how can you be so sure Marner cant be important piece of a SC team. Maybe change of scenery can do good for him. There are lots of examples of that.

 

[Hockeysawks]

Before this playoffs, if you have opened poll is Bobrovsky overpaid and can you win SC with him, i think 80 % of people would say he is overpaid and considering his Panthers tenure, there is small chance he can lead you to the SC.
What i wanna to say, how can you be so sure Marner cant be important piece of a SC team. Maybe change of scenery can do good for him. There are lots of examples of that.

Marner is a good player but he is hard to trade. The leafs need to find an unhappy star player to swap for or take what on the surface what looks like a huge loss and sets them back years.
Nobody wll give the leafs prospects projected to be stars or equal value to Marner with less cap.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Having watched Marner play a good amount I can’t help but think he’s the literal opposite of a Trotz player.

I posted in another thread that Marner would be plastered to the bench every second of every game they had a lead in.

Marner is one of the best defensive forwards in the game. Your opinion is worthless.

 

[The Red Line]

Makes no sense at all for Nashville, a couple years of Marner while giving up important futures is exactly what they don't need to do.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Marner is a fantastic player. I bet he's at least a 70 point guy in Nashville. No sarcasm. Look who he is playing with the next 2 years and who is playing in front of if we made this deal.

This deal doesn't make sense based on where we are now. If we could turn back time and make hockey trades holding together some of our veterans, then yes...but it's too late at this point. We are going to trade a lot of nice pieces who fit our rebuild, for 1 excellent piece who doesn't fit the rebuild.

 

[beardawg]

We don't need to trade our youth for any 26 year-olds. No matter how good they are. That's just not where we are as a franchise

Then Josi needs to be traded at the draft

 

[PredsV82]

Then Josi needs to be traded at the draft

He has a NMC. He will only be traded if he wants to be traded

 

[Byrddog]

If Marner made the difference in a wildcard team to a cup contender in Nashville it would make sense. The common thought is that this is just a retool but chances are this turns into a rebuild soon. All the young kids are not going to workout. Tomasino for example has not been able to stick on the roster in Nashville IMO because of the core here not being strong enough to take advantage of his game. Duchene is the only veteran that has modified his game.

Now all that said Toronto fans for the last few seasons have been willing to move him. Here’s what I see happening if they do move Marner, Mathew’s will be lost to F/A . Rumors out there already he is tired of the Toronto reactions and inability to be loyal to any player. That’s just the Leaf way. The Leafs built a team to get past the Lightning and they did that but they got embarrassed again when Florida ate their lunch kicked sand in their face and ran away with their girlfriend. I am not suprised bu anything the Leafs organization does anymore.

So yes I would like to see Marner as a Pred. Instantly he becomes the most talented winger the team has ever had.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Then Josi needs to be traded at the draft

Apples and potatoes. If Marner was a free agent and electing to sign a contract with us it's not a discussion. But trading our youth/draft assets for a player at that stage of their career that can walk in 2 years (and probably will from a relatively uncompetitive team) would be pretty poor asset management. Doesn't mean we have to jettison all veteran players.

 

[Notsince67]

LOL


Perhaps explain why it makes sense for Nashville to pursue Marner.

Lets start with the fact that he would be the best player on that team