Value of: Marner to NSH at the draft

[herzausstein]

Well, Toronto has a center available as well.

If you are talking about AM, Nashville should be interested. JT due to his age and where Nashville is at shouldnt be of interest

 

[GeauxPreds1]

Good lord, no chance.

I think the key thing here, though, is that you are only sure you are getting 2 seasons of Marner. That is just far too much for our team, in our current situation, to give up for 2 seasons of ANY player.

It's true that we would love to find a way to get some kind of #1 forward, whether it is a winger or center. But it would have to be for more of a long-term guarantee. Getting a player for 1 or 2 years just doesn't fit the current team projection in Nashville. Evangelista is doing amazingly well and is a fixture in our top-6 plans moving forward. We expect to get a similar fixture with our #15 pick this year. And our 2024 1st could even be a top-5 lottery pick. So that is just a total non-starter from us.

Meh I doubt we get a top 5 pick with saros on our team but I get your point. I wouldn’t trade that much for a player with only 2 more years on his contract that will looking for a raise. If I’m trading picks and prospects for any winger it would be for Keller. Someone who produces without elite talent all around him like marner who is also has a way cheaper cap hit

 

[BlueTacos]

15 OA
NSH 2024 1st rounder
Luke Evangelista
Alexander Carrier

Marner makes 10.5 that makes his value less. Plus he only has 2 left. 15 ova and one player plus cap dump

 

[Djp]

Marner is not a guy you want to invest much in. He’s overpaid, his contract is up soon, and he will be difficult, if not impossible, to re-sign for even the same money, let alone less, which is what he should’ve been paid all along.
11M should buy you a great player with a history of winning, or at least competing for Cups. Instead, you get a guy who took the leafs for all he could get, and set it up so he could try to do it again ASAP.

The only GM’s willing to trade for him would be sending back bad cap, and lots of it, to TOR. To think that some team will eat nearly all of his cap hit and send picks and prospects back is childish.

Also, Marner rate of compensation will throw most team’s salary cap structure out of whack, causing internal dissension. What GM wants to pay for that?

I predict Marner goes to UFA when his contract is up. It will be interesting to see what he gets on the open market.

On top of thst what teams have the space.

with most teams it becomes more of a cap neutral trade .

 

[Cotton]

Nashville decided that they were not good enough near the TDL and divested themselves of a lot of talent. Saros having a ridiculous finale to the season to keep Nashville close doesn’t change that the team just wasn’t good enough.

Are the Preds in rebuild or retool mode? Likely going to retool. Does it make sense for the Preds to blow all of those assets and salary cap space to acquire a soft, overpriced winger? Absolutely not. Adding Marner, who is a 2-year rental BTW, is not a smart investment and addresses the wrong team need.

I see Leaf fans are looking at all the teams with salary cap space, like Arizona, Anaheim and now Nashville, and trying to stick the $11M AAV Marner and come up with some ridiculous rationale why a 2-year rental makes sense for them and why they should dump a truck load of assets to do so.

It’s pretty cringe TBH.

There is no such thing as a two-year rental btw, you made that shit up and keep trying to peddle it. There are playoff rentals, but Marner has two season left on his contract, he can be extended before it's up.

Marner makes 10.5 that makes his value less. Plus he only has 2 left. 15 ova and one player plus cap dump

He makes 10.9M, all but 750k in bonus.

He's a 99pts Selke finalist... his value isn't less. The thought of trading him is ridiculous.

 

[beardawg]

There is no such thing as a two-year rental btw, you made that shit up and keep trying to peddle it. There are playoff rentals, but Marner has two season left on his contract, he can be extended before it's up.


He makes 10.9M, all but 750k in bonus.

He's a 99pts Selke finalist... his value isn't less. The thought of trading him is ridiculous.

The Preds fans on this board are just hellbent on being a middle of the pack team until Josi retires so they can waste his career like they did Rinne. With the roster they have they'll never be bad enough for a top 5 pick. Makes no sense why there isn't interest in a player who would immediately be the best forward they've ever had

 

[PredsV82]

The Preds just made a whole bunch of moves that scream "we are not in go for it mode" and acquired a ton of futures.

Why would they trade all that away for a guy who will be a UFA by the time we are in "go for it" mode again.

 

[PredsV82]

The Preds fans on this board are just hellbent on being a middle of the pack team until Josi retires so they can waste his career like they did Rinne. With the roster they have they'll never be bad enough for a top 5 pick. Makes no sense why there isn't interest in a player who would immediately be the best forward they've ever had

Josi and Rinne both have a conference championship, Presidents trophy, 3 division titles, and each won the award for best in the NHL at their position.


Meanwhile, Marner, Matthews, Tavares all have what to show for their careers?

 

[AndreRoy]

Why doesn't it make sense?

The inherent conflict in this part right here:

Marner…trying to win

 

[beardawg]

LOL at a LEAFS fan saying the Preds are "wasting" anyone's career.

Josi and Rinne both have a conference championship, Presidents trophy, 3 division titles, and each won the award for best in the NHL at their position.


Meanwhile, Marner, Matthews, Tavares all have what to show for their careers?

I'm a 15 year preds fan dude

 

[PredsV82]

I'm a 15 year preds fan dude

Interesting. I'll modify my post but the idea still stands

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

The Preds just made a whole bunch of moves that scream "we are not in go for it mode" and acquired a ton of futures.

Why would they trade all that away for a guy who will be a UFA by the time we are in "go for it" mode again.

One thing I will hearken back to is Paul Kariya. It was fun to get him. He is definitely a bit of a "Preds legend" despite only playing 2 years. It's fun to have a major league star player. So in that sense, I am not completely opposed to finding a way to add Matthews or Marner.

Just. The Kariya teams were actually pretty good. Didn't win a playoff round. But Preds fans would certainly rather have had Kariya than not had him, right?

I'm not sure we need to be in a truly "go for it" mode to get that level of player, which is about the same level I would put Matthews and Marner in. It still brings excitement and interest.

The big difference: Kariya was signed as a UFA. No big futures pieces given up to add him. And that's the key here. We're not going to trade massive loads of our futures for 1-2 years of Marner or Matthews. It would be fun to add them, even while not "going for it"... if the acquisition price wasn't an issue. But if Leafs fans are looking at huge trade packages for them now, then we're not interested. Some other team will be a better partner for you. If they become UFAs, then we're right there.

Or I guess if you can tell me that Marner or Matthews would be extremely interested in signing long-term with us, ok, that makes them more intriguing as trade targets. But nobody here can speak to that, so I throw that possibility right out the window.

 

[wetcoast]

We can afford one of them, Cap-wise. Just, we are not going to give up multiple core futures assets to rent one in a trade.

If we can eventually sign one of them long-term as a UFA, great. Not something to expect, but if it becomes possible, bonus. I just don't think it's on our radar to chase short-term rentals. Our team finished shockingly well down the stretch while playing all of our youngsters in place of the traded/injured veterans, but it would be irresponsible to assume the team is truly good enough to pay premium prices for rental players at this juncture.

Funny a short term rental used to be a guy teams traded for at the deadline but this type of thinking is why Nashville has been a muddling middle team like forever and will most likely remain so.

I mean I get that every fan base wants to absolutely win every trade but this talk about Marner seems more like teams looking for perfection rather than trying to actually get better.

Saying this as a long suffering Canucks fan where management has been the biggest impediment forever.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Not often do you get a chance to acquire a player who would be your best forward.

As long as you don't want that forward to do anything in the playoffs.

 

[PredsV82]

Funny a short term rental used to be a guy teams traded for at the deadline but this type of thinking is why Nashville has been a muddling middle team like forever and will most likely remain so.

I mean I get that every fan base wants to absolutely win every trade but this talk about Marner seems more like teams looking for perfection rather than trying to actually get better.

Saying this as a long suffering Canucks fan where management has been the biggest impediment forever.

We aren't talking about "winning" a trade.
We don't care who HF thinks "wins" a trade

We objectively "lost" the Jones for Johansen trade and arguably "lost" the Weber for Subban trade and yet those two trades led to the best run our team has ever had.

Trading Saros for Marner is objectively stupid.

If we keep Saros, we have a chance to be competitive as we continue to develop our youth alongside our veterans.

If we trade Saros, we are going to suck for at least another 2 years, even with Marner. And by the time Askarov is ready, Marner will be a UFA.

As I have said elsewhere, if we trade Saros, we need to get back a top line forward who is no older than 23. That way we still have them on the team when the Askarov era begins

 

[wetcoast]

We aren't talking about "winning" a trade.
We don't care who HF thinks "wins" a trade

We objectively "lost" the Jones for Johansen trade and arguably "lost" the Weber for Subban trade and yet those two trades led to the best run our team has ever had.

Trading Saros for Marner is objectively stupid.

If we keep Saros, we have a chance to be competitive as we continue to develop our youth alongside our veterans.

If we trade Saros, we are going to suck for at least another 2 years, even with Marner. And by the time Askarov is ready, Marner will be a UFA.

As I have said elsewhere, if we trade Saros, we need to get back a top line forward who is no older than 23. That way we still have them on the team when the Askarov era begins

I agree Saros as one of the 2 players in the proposal would be overpayment and not the way to go but the 15th and Luke Evangelista + something else isn't bad value for the Preds either.

 

[PredsV82]

I agree Saros as one of the 2 players in the proposal would be overpayment and not the way to go but the 15th and Luke Evangelista + something else isn't bad value for the Preds either.

We aren't trading Evangelista. He is a home grown player with top line potential. Exactly the kind of player you don't trade when you expect to be competitive again in 2 to 3 years.

 

[Armourboy]

Trading for Marner doesn't do a thing for Nashville. With or without him we would still be a middle of the road team struggling to make the playoffs. Our center depth is all kids, Joey was already meh and Duchene stinks at center.

The TDL showed where we are headed, Trotz and Poile have even said we are in a " restart ". Nothing about trading for Marner fits that bill or time table.

Forsberg, Josi, Duchene, and Saros will be used to bring up and shelter the kids, well assuming they can continue to play considering their concussion/injury histories.

 

[Riseonfire]

Having watched Marner play a good amount I can’t help but think he’s the literal opposite of a Trotz player.

I posted in another thread that Marner would be plastered to the bench every second of every game they had a lead in.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Toronto wont trade him for futures. It would have to be a Tkatchuk type trade imo. Star for Star type deal. Not sure whos in a position to do that

 

[Coffee]

I dont understand how Marner makes sense for Nashville. Our center situation is not great and Marner would give us 26+ million wrapped up in wingers (duchene, forsberg, and marner). The assets used to acquire marner would best be used to fix our center situation.

26 million not just wrapped in wingers. But it would give you the best winger depth in the LEAGUE

 

[Guffman]

The Preds fans on this board are just hellbent on being a middle of the pack team until Josi retires so they can waste his career like they did Rinne. With the roster they have they'll never be bad enough for a top 5 pick. Makes no sense why there isn't interest in a player who would immediately be the best forward they've ever had

Because NHL teams live in a salary cap world and allocating $11M to Marner isn‘t a smart thing to do?

If Nashville acquired Marner, and just did normal offseason maintenance (Cody Glass gets a raise, minor players get resigned or new minor players brought in), that is not a contending team.

Nashville would be better off looking for centers and using their recently acquired war chest to trade for one and rebuild their secondary scoring after trading away Granlund, Neiderreiter, and Jeannot.

 

[wetcoast]

We aren't trading Evangelista. He is a home grown player with top line potential. Exactly the kind of player you don't trade when you expect to be competitive again in 2 to 3 years.

You are kind of making my point here in that sure Luke might become a top line guy but will still never reach the heights of Marner and Nashville will be competitive but perhaps not really a serious SC contender.

 

[Armourboy]

You are kind of making my point here in that sure Luke might become a top line guy but will still never reach the heights of Marner and Nashville will be competitive but perhaps not really a serious SC contender.

We are in a retool/restart, we aren't worried about being a serious SC contender atm.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

We are in a retool/restart, we aren't worried about being a serious SC contender atm.

I'm not seeing a whole lot of evidence to suggest that a Marner makes a team a SC contender anyway. Save the massive difference in money between him and an Evangelista and maybe find a player or two that could.