Marner Predictions - What Happens Now

[Hellcat]

It's amazing that you don't realize how stupid that sounds.

Honestly, that sort of post from that poster does not surprise me at all....

 

[dalewood12]

Non-Leafs fan here. I think he needs a change of scenery.

 

[Arzak]

Non-Leafs fan here. I think he needs a change of scenery.

Feel free to take him. No one else is interested.

 

[Stephen]

Chris Johnston disagrees with you.

he recently indicated that teams like the Panthers and Lightning have more pressure to be highly successful in the playoffs because fans dont show up otherwise and its an unsuccessful business (even if a good season team) While it doesnt matter in Toronto becase they are a top 1,2 or 3 revenue team just by being a great season team and they get playoff gates.

So @ACC1224 Is wrong again. As per usual.

Link is here: starts around 9:00

That’s kind of a Mickey Mouse take…

For one thing, these championship runs by Tampa and Florida don’t look like teams playing “under pressure.” They are hockey teams with competitive, driven players and they go out there and compete, and I don’t sense any kind of corporate anxiety making them try any harder.

In Toronto, the team has preordained itself to be the next Tampa and the next Detroit and that seems to have twisted them up when it matters.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I have to ask, what makes nylander a comparable player to pastrnak this time around?

In virtually identical ice time Pastrnak had more ES goals and points (playing on the top line) than Nylander (playing on the second line), but Nylander had more PP goals, more PK goals and assists, more OT goals and more GWGs, with a better shooting % and faceoff %.

 

[Antropovsky]

That’s kind of a Mickey Mouse take…

For one thing, these championship runs by Tampa and Florida don’t look like teams playing “under pressure.” They are hockey teams with competitive, driven players and they go out there and compete, and I don’t sense any kind of corporate anxiety making them try any harder.

In Toronto, the team has preordained itself to be the next Tampa and the next Detroit and that seems to have twisted them up when it matters.

I agree that the Leafs seemed to think they could replicate Tampa's path to success. However, I still see CJ's point and 100% agree that non market teams need playoff success much more than leafs.

CJ might be right, or he could be incorrect, but it’s a valid perspective. It’s not the "wow, can’t believe how dumb you sound" reaction that one particular poster (hint they liked your post) said when another Leaf poster suggested it was a possibility.

 

[Stephen]

I agree that the Leafs seemed to think they could replicate Tampa's path to success. However, I still see CJ's point and 100% agree that non market teams need playoff success much more than leafs.

CJ might be right, or he could be incorrect, but it’s a valid perspective. It’s not the "wow, can’t believe how dumb you sound" reaction that one particular poster (hint they liked your post) said when another Leaf poster suggested it was a possibility.

I don't see Tampa and Florida as teams that were particularly burdened by pressure when they had their championship runs. They looked like teams that were playing free for a championship for all the right reasons on the ice and had nothing to do with the pressure of small market economics. There are plenty of uncompetitive small market teams that just go through the motions and those teams could have easily done so.

 

[Antropovsky]

I don't see Tampa and Florida as teams that were particularly burdened by pressure when they had their championship runs. They looked like teams that were playing free for a championship for all the right reasons on the ice and had nothing to do with the pressure of small market economics. There are plenty of uncompetitive small market teams that just go through the motions and those teams could have easily done so.

How do you expect to see the burden on the TV?

Florida was coming off a Presidents' Trophy win, and in that same offseason, they traded their top-scoring forward—who had 27 more points than the next Panther—and their second-highest scoring defenseman. Both werent even 30 yet.

What we’ve learned about the Leafs under Shanahan, Lou, and Dubas has been a surprise to many of us. As fans, we assumed everything was sunshine and roses, but the reality was far from it. We truly have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. That’s why I trust CJ—he works for the owner of the Leafs. He’s in and out of the arena, and he has the credibility to back it up.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

What happens now? He plays with Matthews, they both have career years, at least In terms of points I'm not sure I see Matthews scoring 69 goals aga, but then again I didn't think I'd see 60 again let alone 2 years later so who knows with that guy.

But yeah, they play together, they both have career years In terms of points, the team wins 50+ games because they have an actual coach.

They win the Atlantic, possibly the east.

Then we shall see.

 

[Arzak]

But yeah, they play together, they both have career years In terms of points, the team wins 50+ games because they have an actual coach.

They win the Atlantic, possibly the east.

Then we shall see.

hh someone making that bet 8 years in a row. It would be a big jump from 3rd in Atlantic to winning the East.

Marner is no longer part of Leafs future, why would you give him 1st line minutes next to Auston to pump his stats when he just refused to wave?

Forget it's Marner, you have a player that's leaving after this regular season(while being useless in the post season), why would you play him 25 min next to Auston instead of giving young players valuable experience while searching for someone Auston might play with for the next few seasons?

Now remember it's Marner who took 11M a year as RFA and refused to wave making sure Leafs will get nothing back for their generosity.

What's the rational for keeping him glued to Auston instead of playing him 10min a game on 4th line/PK in hopes he waves while giving youngers and Auston options?

 

[ACC1224]

What happens now? He plays with Matthews, they both have career years, at least In terms of points I'm not sure I see Matthews scoring 69 goals aga, but then again I didn't think I'd see 60 again let alone 2 years later so who knows with that guy.

But yeah, they play together, they both have career years In terms of points, the team wins 50+ games because they have an actual coach.

They win the Atlantic, possibly the east.

Then we shall see.

Yeah the points for both are pretty much a given but we can only guess how the new coach will deploy them.
I’d expect the season to be pretty much what we’ve seen in the past. Only real story will be when they look to re-sign both Marner and Tavares.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

hh someone making that bet 8 years in a row. It would be a big jump from 3rd in Atlantic to winning the East.

Marner is no longer part of Leafs future, why would you give him 1st line minutes next to Auston to pump his stats when he just refused to wave?

Forget it's Marner, you have a player that's leaving after this regular season(while being useless in the post season), why would you play him 25 min next to Auston instead of giving young players valuable experience while searching for someone Auston might play with for the next few seasons?

Now remember it's Marner who took 11M a year as RFA and refused to wave making sure Leafs will get nothing back for their generosity.

What's the rational for keeping him glued to Auston instead of playing him 10min a game on 4th line/PK in hopes he waves while giving youngers and Auston options?

1st off most of the Atlantic got weaker, the only teams that got better were Montreal Ottawa and Toronto and neither Ottawa nor Montreal are passing the Leafs baring season and/or career ending injury to essentially the entire team.

#2 doing what you suggested with Marner would be incredibly stupid you don't look at Marner and " we'll show you we are going to make ourselves worse because f*** you." and that is EXACTLY what you are suggesting.

you give yourself the best chance to win every night and playing Marner on the 4th line doesn't do that.

Like it or not Marner belongs in the top 6

 

[Nineteen67]

1st off most of the Atlantic got weaker, the only teams that got better were Montreal Ottawa and Toronto and neither Ottawa nor Montreal are passing the Leafs baring season and/or career ending injury to essentially the entire team.

#2 doing what you suggested with Marner would be incredibly stupid you don't look at Marner and " we'll show you we are going to make ourselves worse because f*** you." and that is EXACTLY what you are suggesting.

you give yourself the best chance to win every night and playing Marner on the 4th line doesn't do that.

Like it or not Marner belongs in the top 6

This could be their best chance to win a couple of rounds. The Leafs are a little better than Ottawa, Buffalo, Detroit and TTOE (certainly more experienced), and IMO, they only need to get past Boston. Tampa got old and lost a lot their swag, and Florida can’t be hungry enough.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This could be their best chance to win a couple of rounds. They are more experienced than Ottawa, Buffalo, Detroit and TTOE, and IMO, they only need to get past Boston. Tampa got old and lost a lot their swag, and Florida can’t be hungry enough.

It's all on Woll can he stay healthy and be the goalie he's shown flashes of?

Or is he going to continue to be made of glass?

He's very talented but he's got to get his shit together and stay healthy.

The best ability is availability and he's got to be more available

 

[rumman]

It's all on Woll can he stay healthy and be the goalie he's shown flashes of?

Or is he going to continue to be made of glass?

He's very talented but he's got to get his shit together and stay healthy.

The best ability is availability and he's got to be more available

I think there are plenty of question marks beyond if Woll can stay healthy. Can Tanev stay healthy, is OEL actually going to not regress, who’s going to make the 3rd and 4th lines better, will this be the year JT takes a big step back, will Berube actually get thur to the core or will they ignore him like they did Babcock and Keefe, will Tre gift Marner another overblown contract and handcuff the team for years to come? I think there are a myriad of question marks going into this season, if even a third of them come to fruition it won’t end well, and really that’s been this team’s motive of operation, not ending well……..

 

[Nineteen67]

It's all on Woll can he stay healthy and be the goalie he's shown flashes of?

Or is he going to continue to be made of glass?

He's very talented but he's got to get his shit together and stay healthy.

The best ability is availability and he's got to be more available

Well yes, if goaltending still isn’t good enough, the core isn’t good enough, or if they can’t overcome the core’s disinterest they won’t win.

If they look at the landscape they would see this is a great opportunity, maybe they only opportunity, to get to the Eastern final.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Well yes, if goaltending still isn’t good enough, the core isn’t good enough, or if they can’t overcome the core’s disinterest they won’t win.

If they look at the landscape they would see this is a great opportunity, maybe they only opportunity, to get to the Eastern final.

I see an opportunity to go further than that.

 

[Nineteen67]

I think there are plenty of question marks beyond if Woll can stay healthy. Can Tanev stay healthy, is OEL actually going to not regress, who’s going to make the 3rd and 4th lines better, will this be the year JT takes a big step back, will Berube actually get thur to the core or will they ignore him like they did Babcock and Keefe, will Tre gift Marner another overblown contract and handcuff the team for years to come? I think there are a myriad of question marks going into this season, if even a third of them come to fruition it won’t end well, and really that’s been this team’s motive of operation, not ending well……..

But there’s still a path to the Eastern final, or at least to be competitive in the 2nd round. I think that’s all anyone is really asking.

 

[rumman]

But there’s still a path to the Eastern final, or at least to be competitive in the 2nd round. I think that’s all anyone is really asking.

Getting to the dance has never been the problem with this lot, it’s what happens then that defines the character of this team that has been a concern for the last eight years imo……..

 

[Nineteen67]

I see an opportunity to go further than that.

I can’t see that. That’s not realistic or even expected. It would take miracle goaltending or someone like Cowan to go on fire. We’ve seen it before.

There’s also a big elephant in the room …..May 9th and May 25th Sweden and Denmark host the World Hockey Championships and the playoff rounds are in Stockholm.

 

[ACC1224]

1st off most of the Atlantic got weaker, the only teams that got better were Montreal Ottawa and Toronto and neither Ottawa nor Montreal are passing the Leafs baring season and/or career ending injury to essentially the entire team.

#2 doing what you suggested with Marner would be incredibly stupid you don't look at Marner and " we'll show you we are going to make ourselves worse because f*** you." and that is EXACTLY what you are suggesting.

you give yourself the best chance to win every night and playing Marner on the 4th line doesn't do that.

Like it or not Marner belongs in the top 6

No one believes they will limit his ice, that’s just the short bus talk trying to get a rise.
All we know for sure is the haven’t asked him to leave. Zero reason to believe there is any animosity between the team and player. It’s wishful thinking from those that are always wrong hoping they’ll finally get one right.

 

[Nineteen67]

Getting to the dance has never been the problem with this lot, it’s what happens then that defines the character of this team that has been a concern for the last eight years imo……..

They’ve been to the 2nd round once when Vasy went AWOL. This year they have a legit chance to win a round, and if they do, they could actually be competitive in the 2nd round.

I don’t know if they will do it, but at least it’s on the table as a possibility this year, which has never been the case other than that Canadian division year.

 

[Arzak]

1st off most of the Atlantic got weaker, the only teams that got better were Montreal Ottawa and Toronto and neither Ottawa nor Montreal are passing the Leafs baring season and/or career ending injury to essentially the entire team.

#2 doing what you suggested with Marner would be incredibly stupid you don't look at Marner and " we'll show you we are going to make ourselves worse because f*** you." and that is EXACTLY what you are suggesting.

you give yourself the best chance to win every night and playing Marner on the 4th line doesn't do that.

Like it or not Marner belongs in the top 6

1 that's just off, from the top of my head Boston got stronger too so the whole premise is weak . Leafs also made 0 meaningful upgrades.


Trouble reading? I think that I was clear in my explanation, it warranted no miss interpretation from you.

You keep twisting my words just so you can get offended on behalf of player that's leaving after this season.

Marner was getting exclusively O starts this last season while Auston scored 69 goals, yet you think we should play him exclusively in O zone with Auston once again and it will somehow results in Mitch finally reaching 100 points? Bizzare.

You keep pretending Mitch is entitled to play 25min a game of mostly O-zone starts with Matthews. I don't think it's in the best interest of Leafs.

Instead of telling me what I suggested you can try replying to what I actually posted .

No reason to pad Mitch stats any longer at the cost of ice time for young players.

Make an argument for playing Mitch with Auston instead of Knies, while we wait for Mitch to wave. i'll wait


Please can you tell me what makes you think Mitch will be better this season with more pressure on him than ever (entering UFA).

 

[Nineteen67]

1 that's just off, from the top of my head Boston got stronger too so the whole premise is weak . Leafs also made 0 meaningful upgrades.


Trouble reading? I think that I was clear in my explanation, it warranted no miss interpretation from you.

You keep twisting my words just so you can get offended on behalf of player that's leaving after this season.

Marner was getting exclusively O starts this last season while Auston scored 69 goals, yet you think we should play him exclusively in O zone with Auston once again and it will somehow results in Mitch finally reaching 100 points? Bizzare.

You keep pretending Mitch is entitled to play 25min a game of mostly O-zone starts with Matthews. I don't think it's in the best interest of Leafs.

Instead of telling me what I suggested you can try replying to what I actually posted .

No reason to pad Mitch stats any longer at the cost of ice time for young players.

Make an argument for playing Mitch with Auston instead of Knies, while we wait for Mitch to wave. i'll wait


Please can you tell me what makes you think Mitch will be better this season with more pressure on him than ever (entering UFA).

Changing the coach is a meaningful upgrade. Granted it should have happened before last season and certainly during the season, but better late than never.

This is a poorly managed team and has been for 7 yrs and my expectation is they’ll intervene and mess up somehow this year. It’s what they do.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

1 that's just off, from the top of my head Boston got stronger too so the whole premise is weak . Leafs also made 0 meaningful upgrades.


Trouble reading? I think that I was clear in my explanation, it warranted no miss interpretation from you.

You keep twisting my words just so you can get offended on behalf of player that's leaving after this season.

Marner was getting exclusively O starts this last season while Auston scored 69 goals, yet you think we should play him exclusively in O zone with Auston once again and it will somehow results in Mitch finally reaching 100 points? Bizzare.

You keep pretending Mitch is entitled to play 25min a game of mostly O-zone starts with Matthews. I don't think it's in the best interest of Leafs.

Instead of telling me what I suggested you can try replying to what I actually posted .

No reason to pad Mitch stats any longer at the cost of ice time for young players.

Make an argument for playing Mitch with Auston instead of Knies, while we wait for Mitch to wave. i'll wait


Please can you tell me what makes you think Mitch will be better this season with more pressure on him than ever (entering UFA).

Knies plays LW, and unless Domi is moved to LW then baring some unexpected trade, Knies is probably The best LW so he's probably playing with Matthews regardless of where in the top 6 Marner plays.

You asked me what makes me think Marner will be better than ever and then proceeded to answer your own question he's entering his contract year.

I'm going to assume you are brand new to the sport because if you weren't you'd know that a lot of players tend to go off in their contract year, case in point last year with William Nylander.

Assuming Marner plays 75 games it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see 110 points from him.

Boston got stronger on defense absolutely but not up front and certainly not in net.

Also I didn't twist your words, you are the one that suggested taking the best winger on the team and playing him 10 minutes a night on the 4th line, no coach would do something that stupid.

Yes I do think you should play your best players together because they are the best players on the team.

Would you also suggest playing Marchand on the 4th line in Boston? He's in the last year of his contract too.

Ehlers in Winnipeg?

Leon in Edmonton?

You don't play a top 6 player on the 4th line just because they are in the last year of their contract.

Changing the coach is a meaningful upgrade. Granted it should have happened before last season and certainly during the season, but better late than never.

This is a poorly managed team and has been for 7 yrs and my expectation is they’ll intervene and mess up somehow this year. It’s what they do.

It should have happened in 2021 after he blew a 3-1 series lead to Montreal.

But regardless changing the coach is a big change.