TSN: Marner on tsn: "We are grown men".

[francis246]

Maybe be more embarrassed about the blown lead & the loss to ANA.

100% but I’m embarrassed that as a fan base people actually lost their shit over something that happened in tv time out and truthfully we couldn’t even see what happened around the corner

 

[capfit9]

100% but I’m embarrassed that as a fan base people actually lost their shit over something that happened in tv time out and truthfully we couldn’t even see what happened around the corner

But he did do it

 

[Peasy]

Marner seems to handle stress and criticism fairly poorly.

I don't say that even as a criticism of the guy, it's just an observation. Guys like Matthews and Nylander seem to do a better job of blocking out this stuff as white noise while Marner seems to get visibly flustered.

Yup, Nylander has been put through the ringer here, even more than someone like Mitch. But the guy is just as cool as a cucumber and doesnt seem like anything phases him (of course that pisses off a lot of Leafs fans ).

Mitch's whole apology after signing, the Babcock fiasco, "we are grown men", to now him going into the tunnel to let out some rage for being benched for a shift. Its all just been cringe and he needs to learn to deal with adversity better.

Matthews and Mitch are clearly running the room, and get upset if Keefe makes them do something they dont want to. Hell, im 100% convinced that Keefe isnt even allowed to split up Matthews and Marner. Crazy Shanahan has allowed it to come to this.

 

[robertmac43]

I feel for Marner from a personal side. He puts a lot of pressure on himself and i know he wants to win with the Leads. He cares a lot!

That beings said, when you ask for the kind of money he asked for you need to deliver. It's guaranteed results level of money.

Had MM took over a playoffs series like McD, Drai, Kuch, Makar or Mack?

Marner kind of screwed himself in this regard. When it comes to on ice impact he does not touch to the names listed above. He should be compared with tier of stars under this one, but since he took 10+ million he needs to start meeting these top guys when it comes to performance.

 

[Canadian Finn]

I know I heard countless times on here "we are paying for their future costs, not what they are worth now".

When do those future abilities start? Cause we are well into "the future".

 

[francis246]

But he did do it

And who cares? We get worked up over useless shit. You woulda thought he sacked a few security guards on the way down the tunnel. The way people were fake outraging. I would have preferred he got pissed on the bench but for him he needed a moment. Every body is different and the picking a part of how someone should react is super weird

 

[SoVi3t]

Is there video of this? If so i missed it

Still pretty messed up from Covid, but watch the replay. Right after the second goal, he smirks and shrugs his shoulders. They showed a slo mo replay of it. I lost it.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Weak management filters all the way down

 

[francis246]

Marner seems to handle stress and criticism fairly poorly.

I don't say that even as a criticism of the guy, it's just an observation. Guys like Matthews and Nylander seem to do a better job of blocking out this stuff as white noise while Marner seems to get visibly flustered.

I know it’s not an excuse, but I don’t think people are giving enough magnitude to the pressure this guy is probably feeling. I feel bad for him but at the same time I don’t because he wanted it. He demanded it along with the contract.

But man, I couldn’t imagine being a die heart leafs fan like him, thinking you’d be able to be apart of the process to change it and instead you’re hated by a good portion of the fanbase, you can’t win in the playoffs, you’re kinda scared to talk in the media because it’s always a story. This is probably his worst nightmare. I think the failure of this team weighs on him and Tavares a 1000% more than it does anyone else. Those two have dreamed of this moment and it just hasn’t come to fruition and we are seeing him in particular spiral.

He’s a good player but I think the best thing for him and the organization is to either start winning or split in season or at the end. Because it really isn’t healthy on both ends and you hate to see a person go down like this haha

 

[capfit9]

And who cares? We get worked up over useless shit. You woulda thought he sacked a few security guards on the way down the tunnel. The way people were fake outraging. I would have preferred he got pissed on the bench but for him he needed a moment. Every body is different and the picking a part of how someone should react is super weird

More mad about the benching than turnovers Is pretty weird

 

[Stephen]

Marner seems to handle stress and criticism fairly poorly.

I don't say that even as a criticism of the guy, it's just an observation. Guys like Matthews and Nylander seem to do a better job of blocking out this stuff as white noise while Marner seems to get visibly flustered.

He comes across as a thin skinned golden child who can soar to great heights but doesn’t like the discomfort of criticism, working through adversity and just grinding through a Monday morning slog kind of thing. It’s either a party or a crisis with him and that up and down has really informed the personality of this club. Especially in big moments.

 

[francis246]

More mad about the benching than turnovers Is pretty weird

Do you honestly think it was just the benching that set him off? Like use your brain. Clearly it’s a combination of everything that went on that night, he knows he’s cost his team 2 goals, coach is pissed at you, the team ties it up while you’re benched. He knew he probably cost them the game.

If you actually think it was solely about the benching then you’re dulsional.

 

[Stephen]

I know it’s not an excuse, but I don’t think people are giving enough magnitude to the pressure this guy is probably feeling. I feel bad for him but at the same time I don’t because he wanted it. He demanded it along with the contract.

But man, I couldn’t imagine being a die heart leafs fan like him, thinking you’d be able to be apart of the process to change it and instead you’re hated by a good portion of the fanbase, you can’t win in the playoffs, you’re kinda scared to talk in the media because it’s always a story. This is probably his worst nightmare. I think the failure of this team weighs on him and Tavares a 1000% more than it does anyone else. Those two have dreamed of this moment and it just hasn’t come to fruition and we are seeing him in particular spiral.

He’s a good player but I think the best thing for him and the organization is to either start winning or split in season or at the end. Because it really isn’t healthy on both ends and you hate to see a person go down like this haha

The vibe I’ve gotten from Marner from the very start is he’s a perfectly elite Robin who is properly slotted on the Leaf hierarchy. The problem is he wants the Batman spotlight. He doesn’t wear it that well and the Batman responsibilities drag him down. There’s nothing inherently negative about it but he just has this uncomfortable relationship with being and not being an alpha dog.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I know it’s not an excuse, but I don’t think people are giving enough magnitude to the pressure this guy is probably feeling. I feel bad for him but at the same time I don’t because he wanted it. He demanded it along with the contract.

But man, I couldn’t imagine being a die heart leafs fan like him, thinking you’d be able to be apart of the process to change it and instead you’re hated by a good portion of the fanbase, you can’t win in the playoffs, you’re kinda scared to talk in the media because it’s always a story. This is probably his worst nightmare. I think the failure of this team weighs on him and Tavares a 1000% more than it does anyone else. Those two have dreamed of this moment and it just hasn’t come to fruition and we are seeing him in particular spiral.

He’s a good player but I think the best thing for him and the organization is to either start winning or split in season or at the end. Because it really isn’t healthy on both ends and you hate to see a person go down like this haha

It is a little unfair to be honest. I think he'd be beloved if he signed for ~2 million less, but that's a pretty insignificant amount if you really look at it. It's hardly the difference between winning or losing. It's also not really his fault his circle is so toxic, as he's a victim of that too. It's also not his fault the organization caters to him so heavily.

But it's pretty hard to shake the idea that we wouldn't be better off without him. He's a great player but he's part of the problem, not the solution

 

[francis246]

The vibe I’ve gotten from Marner from the very start is he’s a perfectly elite Robin who is properly slotted on the Leaf hierarchy. The problem is he wants the Batman spotlight. He doesn’t wear it that well and the Batman responsibilities drag him down.

That’s what I’m saying and it’s at an enhanced level because he has both an emotional connection to both the team and the city. The jabs from the fans on social media, the articles written, they are going to sting twice or maybe 5x more because of his affinity for the leafs. I think the organization was hoping he’d be able to channel the love he has for the team into success but it’s been a distraction

 

[andora]

How do you give him a proper break without creating another wave of media bullshit

I mean i have gone as far as a manager when a guy was having a really hard time both personal and work, was struggling but was a good guy and good employee as telling him to stay home one friday - paid him for it.. scheduled him the next tuesday ... it helped

How can you do something like that with this circus

 

[Martin Skoula]

That’s what I’m saying and it’s at an enhanced level because he has both an emotional connection to both the team and the city. The jabs from the fans on social media, the articles written, they are going to sting twice or maybe 5x more because of his affinity for the leafs. I think the organization was hoping he’d be able to channel the love he has for the team into success but it’s been a distraction

Him and his family didn't help by trying to hype him up as a Gilmour clone when he refuses to even try to play that way.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Hard to watch this and not feel some sympathy for the young man.

 

[capfit9]

Do you honestly think it was just the benching that set him off? Like use your brain. Clearly it’s a combination of everything that went on that night, he knows he’s cost his team 2 goals, coach is pissed at you, the team ties it up while you’re benched. He knew he probably cost them the game.

If you actually think it was solely about the benching then you’re dulsional.

Can’t handle the pressure i guess but i’m sure it’s a ‘learning lesson’ again & not the lack of maturity that’s been demonstrated since his junior hockey days

 

[leafsfan5]

It is a little unfair to be honest. I think he'd be beloved if he signed for ~2 million less, but that's a pretty insignificant amount if you really look at it. It's hardly the difference between winning or losing. It's also not really his fault his circle is so toxic, as he's a victim of that too. It's also not his fault the organization caters to him so heavily.

But it's pretty hard to shake the idea that we wouldn't be better off without him. He's a great player but he's part of the problem, not the solution

There's a video out there of him playing as a kid and his dad yelling (video is provided a couple posts above). Even on camera you could tell Paul got way too into it. That kind of pressure is hard on a kid

 

[ACC1224]

If you scroll up

Friedge said he went to management and complained about it and that's why Keefe retracted

I'd be surprised if that were true.

 

[kevsh]

Great analysis from SportsBet, err SportsNet (sorry, get confused sometimes if it's a sports channel or sports gambling one):

"The game plan against the Ducks was to simplify. Pucks in deep and on net. Remove the risk and excess creativity. Let’s get some ugly goals, clock a win, and hop on a plane.

To a man, everyone pregame was singing from that same chorus book.

The Leafs got up (but then) didn’t dumb it down."

That's why I've said repeatedly that this is the same team as every other year since M&M arrived in town. They (not just those two) prefer to pad their stats over shutting the other team down. That's how they blow a 3-1 to the worst team in the league, blew a 5-1 lead to the Sens and all those 3-1 blown leads last year and clearly get frustrated in playoff games when the other team doesn't give them a free pass to dangle and score four a game.

I'm not sure if it's that they collectively don't have the maturity or just the mindset to put the team's needs above their own. And it also drives their goalies mad which likely explains why they are all so anxious to get out of town, and often play much better elsewhere.

Grown men? Not quite it seems.

 

[Stephen]

That’s what I’m saying and it’s at an enhanced level because he has both an emotional connection to both the team and the city. The jabs from the fans on social media, the articles written, they are going to sting twice or maybe 5x more because of his affinity for the leafs. I think the organization was hoping he’d be able to channel the love he has for the team into success but it’s been a distraction

I’ve been saying since the Montreal series that the Leafs come up story shouldn’t be tied to the Marner story. You take the good and support him where he can but don’t treat him like an alpha dog equal to Matthews, who is a more suitable franchise type personality.

That’s not to say play favourites with one and not the other. But just the fact that weight shouldn’t be placed on Marner the same way. Because he can’t handle it and he’s not forming up a Bergeron type partnership with management and coaching. To pretend he is that is managements problem.

 

[Stephen]

Hard to watch this and not feel some sympathy for the young man.

That’s a pretty famous video around these parts. Kinda foreshadows a lot of the themes of Mitch’s future career.

 

[rocketman588]

I'd be surprised if that were true.

Friedge usually doesn't make stuff up