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TSN: Marner on tsn: "We are grown men".
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I mean why would he dude he has a pretty high end reputation. Also considering no one from the leafs has come out to dispute it I'm thinking it's true
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They don't make statements about many things that "come out" about the team.
Just makes no sense to me that player would care that much to go and speak to Dubas about it.
If by chance he did, why would Dubas tell Friedman?
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Mitch mentioned how his dad is the only one out of his friends and family that really reads what is said on social media. Mitch apparently doesn't care to hear it and just hangs up when his dad tries to tell him. His pops really does seem to be a toxic influence on him.
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It’s hard to feel sorry for someone making 10mil a year to play a sport. Sure, he feels pressure, just like the majority of people who work a day job making crappy money with a family to feed. It’s no excuse
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I hate Paul Marner and the mental stranglehold he has on Mitch.
“I just hang up” meaning his dad doesn’t know better, and Mitch has to filter it himself. Jesus Christ. It’s hard not to feel for this guy sometimes.
Menzinger
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Leaks can come from different places. Could have been Keefe or one of the coaching staff for example who was fed up with the situation. But obviously that's just speculation on my part.
I can't say with absolute certainty what's going on, but there seems to be a fair amount of smoke at the moment, which doesn't strike me as a good sign.
Personally, I do hope a lot of this is overblown and the team can just get back to focusing on hockey more so than this stuff
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Insider Trading Sheldon Keefe Mitch Marner Ottawa Senators Toronto Maple Leafs | TSN
The TSN Hockey Insiders discuss the Senators exploring a sale of the team, whether there's a feud between Mitch Marner and Sheldon Keefe, when we are likely to see Barry Trotz behind a bench again, and more.
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Duthie: Frustrating times in Toronto, Mitch Marner was sat for a shift in the third period after a couple of mistakes in that overtime loss to the Anaheim Ducks, any fallout from that, Dregs?
Darren Dreger: Well, I can tell you first of all, emphatically, some close to Mitch Marner say there is zero truth to this ongoing speculation that he has an issue with his head coach Sheldon Keefe. Now, do they love the fact that they're not playing great hockey? Of course not, that includes the coach, that includes the star players, that's everyone associated with the Toronto Maple Leafs. But there are some wondering whether or not the tinkering by Sheldon Keefe specific to Marner might include managing his ice time a little bit. Mitch Marner averages anywhere from 20 minutes per game to 27 minutes per game, so perhaps by backing that off a little bit he's more fresh, you invest some of that ice time into your bottom six and it turns out to be a win-win for all.
Maple Leafs' Mitch Marner shrugs off brief benching, any criticism that comes on social media
He didn’t give a shift.
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Coach Sheldon Keefe had Marner briefly ride the pine in the third period of the Leafs’ eventual 4-3 overtime loss against the Ducks, a slap on the wrist that came after a couple of costly Marner turnovers.
“I take a lot of accountability in myself and (Keefe) does with everyone here in this locker room,” Marner said. “It doesn’t matter who you are. You have to show that every player is accountable, regardless."
“I got no problem with that at all. I got the opportunity to go back out there and finish a couple of shifts and almost finish that game in overtime. You have to take accountability and you have to put it on yourself.”
Keefe shrugged off his choice to sit Marner.
“As a coach, you make a lot of decisions as you go through the game and sometimes you are trying to send a message to the players, sometimes you are trying to send a message to the entire team,” Keefe said. “Each situation is different. I was already looking for a way to get Denis Malgin an extra shift, and that was an easy way to let Mitch have time to process things, knowing full well you are going to get him right back to it."
“These decisions are made all the time with a lot of our players. Not the first time for Mitch and not really not a big deal.”
Marner also at one point left the bench to smash his stick out of frustration. That didn’t stick in Keefe’s craw, though some might have seen it as a lack of respect.
“Guys have to have outlets and do what they need to do as they are working through things,” Keefe said. “We need our guys ready when the game begins. Mitch was and I have no issues with that.”
The line of questioning during Marner’s media availability got around to the reaction that the struggling Leafs, and the play of him individually, has been getting on social media as the team has lost four games in a row.
“I have said this for multiple years — I don’t really have (social media),” Marner said. “I just found it’s a poisonous thing, it gets in your mind a little too much."
“Since I have got off that, it has been great. It has been refreshing for me and my mindset.”
Still, does Marner have to ward off messages from family and friends about what is said about him publicly?
“None of us really read it,” Marner said. “I’m sure my father (Paul) does, but he knows not to tell me about anything because I don’t care to hear it. I just hang up.”
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I think most of us here would deem it an honour to be able to play for the Leafs and collect $10 + million to boot. I feel no sympathy for this punk whatsoever. The way he has sucked through the playoffs and so far this year would have only made any one of us work harder. So, the coach sits him for one shift. He should have been benched for a whole game. Real grown men when they get benched work that much harder. If I recall years ago when he sucked out in a playoff series said we don't play for the fans. Well, I don't cheer for him. As far as I'm concerned, he's a self-entitled POS. As someone who never made more than $50,000 a year, something he makes more than twice as much in 1 period, he has lost me. You want respect from the fans? Act like the grown man you claim to be, work your butt off, keep your mouth shut and stick your nose in the middle of things when you have to.
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Maple Leafs' Mitch Marner shrugs off brief benching, any criticism that comes on social media
He didn’t give a shift.
Coach Sheldon Keefe had Marner briefly ride the pine in the third period of the Leafs’ eventual 4-3 overtime loss against the Ducks, a slap on the wrist that came after a couple of costly Marner turnovers.
“I take a lot of accountability in myself and (Keefe) does with everyone here in this locker room,” Marner said. “It doesn’t matter who you are. You have to show that every player is accountable, regardless."
“I got no problem with that at all. I got the opportunity to go back out there and finish a couple of shifts and almost finish that game in overtime. You have to take accountability and you have to put it on yourself.”
Keefe shrugged off his choice to sit Marner.
“As a coach, you make a lot of decisions as you go through the game and sometimes you are trying to send a message to the players, sometimes you are trying to send a message to the entire team,” Keefe said. “Each situation is different. I was already looking for a way to get Denis Malgin an extra shift, and that was an easy way to let Mitch have time to process things, knowing full well you are going to get him right back to it."
“These decisions are made all the time with a lot of our players. Not the first time for Mitch and not really not a big deal.”
Marner also at one point left the bench to smash his stick out of frustration. That didn’t stick in Keefe’s craw, though some might have seen it as a lack of respect.
“Guys have to have outlets and do what they need to do as they are working through things,” Keefe said. “We need our guys ready when the game begins. Mitch was and I have no issues with that.”
The line of questioning during Marner’s media availability got around to the reaction that the struggling Leafs, and the play of him individually, has been getting on social media as the team has lost four games in a row.
“I have said this for multiple years — I don’t really have (social media),” Marner said. “I just found it’s a poisonous thing, it gets in your mind a little too much."
“Since I have got off that, it has been great. It has been refreshing for me and my mindset.”
Still, does Marner have to ward off messages from family and friends about what is said about him publicly?
“None of us really read it,” Marner said. “I’m sure my father (Paul) does, but he knows not to tell me about anything because I don’t care to hear it. I just hang up.”
Thank you for posting this and it confirms a lot of what some people are saying.
1. He doesn’t lack accountability and isn’t against it.
2. Fans and media do in fact create a lot of narratives.
3. Fans in particular are starting to project their feelings of inadequacy in their own life on Marner. In particular the fact that they don’t make a lot of money and he does and they have to work hard and feel he doesn’t (- really sad people have gotten to that point lol)
4. Paul Marner is a big ass issue
But Mitch also literally just said "He knows not to tell me...." I think the part of "I'll hang up..." is just more drama from this kid that the press runs with. Does he routinely hang up on his father? I doubt it... He was just saying he would if someone tried telling him, meaning nobody tells me anything about social media. but the toronto press loves to jump on this stuff.
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Yep all a bunch of nothing.Maple Leafs' Mitch Marner shrugs off brief benching, any criticism that comes on social media
He didn’t give a shift.
Coach Sheldon Keefe had Marner briefly ride the pine in the third period of the Leafs’ eventual 4-3 overtime loss against the Ducks, a slap on the wrist that came after a couple of costly Marner turnovers.
“I take a lot of accountability in myself and (Keefe) does with everyone here in this locker room,” Marner said. “It doesn’t matter who you are. You have to show that every player is accountable, regardless."
“I got no problem with that at all. I got the opportunity to go back out there and finish a couple of shifts and almost finish that game in overtime. You have to take accountability and you have to put it on yourself.”
Keefe shrugged off his choice to sit Marner.
“As a coach, you make a lot of decisions as you go through the game and sometimes you are trying to send a message to the players, sometimes you are trying to send a message to the entire team,” Keefe said. “Each situation is different. I was already looking for a way to get Denis Malgin an extra shift, and that was an easy way to let Mitch have time to process things, knowing full well you are going to get him right back to it."
“These decisions are made all the time with a lot of our players. Not the first time for Mitch and not really not a big deal.”
Marner also at one point left the bench to smash his stick out of frustration. That didn’t stick in Keefe’s craw, though some might have seen it as a lack of respect.
“Guys have to have outlets and do what they need to do as they are working through things,” Keefe said. “We need our guys ready when the game begins. Mitch was and I have no issues with that.”
The line of questioning during Marner’s media availability got around to the reaction that the struggling Leafs, and the play of him individually, has been getting on social media as the team has lost four games in a row.
“I have said this for multiple years — I don’t really have (social media),” Marner said. “I just found it’s a poisonous thing, it gets in your mind a little too much."
“Since I have got off that, it has been great. It has been refreshing for me and my mindset.”
Still, does Marner have to ward off messages from family and friends about what is said about him publicly?
“None of us really read it,” Marner said. “I’m sure my father (Paul) does, but he knows not to tell me about anything because I don’t care to hear it. I just hang up.”
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Yes, but the deal has to achieve a few things.
-Reduce cap load
-Give a top 6 player back or Defender
-Add picks for later use
No point in imagining what the return would be. It'll probably seem underwhelming.
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How can anyone hate this guy. We wanted Keefe gone and Marner took it upon himself to do the dirty work for us.
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We need to change management before we even look at the players.
We need a new regular season/playoff continued identity.
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It turned into a rant.. I am sorry.
That's an interesting perspective. I like it. I want the entire management team gone and the owners for that matter if they can't stop interferring. I think they're toxic to the sport. Hockey is not a platform to push an ideology or narratives nor is it part and parcel to a cell phone data package.
Hockey is win or lose and must be played at the highest level within the framework of the rules. It must utilize the most competent people in every department. Accounting (Cap) is important, Training is important, Practice is important, Mindset is important, EVERYTHING is important to winning. Does anyone think that some Peter principle corporate officer peddling cell phones is going to be the hockey messiah for us? Is Larry T going to descend from the Ivory tower and perform a miracle? No. He is going to come down to tell hockey people some goofy non winning idea the board came up with because he is bored and the golf is out.
Friedman saying the Leafs need to tip toe around Marner is not great.
Without Paul there would be NO Mitch my friend .. as much as Paul was always a guy looking for freebies and relying on Bonnie .. he made it his life's mission to video tape Mitch's every game and practice .. take Mitch to every skills session, practice, game, tournament, workout training session for 10 years straight .. review and show Mitch what he thought he needed to improve .. and fight da system to make sure lil Mitch got a shot .. and there is loads of Paul's out there who have done and do same thing today .. very few on here have any even remote idear what it takes to develop a kid who can go to da show .. even I couldn't do it .. most dads still have a full time wife who does all da heavy lifting like mine did .. it is a 6 hour a day 7 day a week job .. if you work or own/run a business it is impossible
Bottom line too much being made of this one temper tantrum .. Mitch is not da reason Leafs are not doing well this year .. he has been our 2nd best player all year after willy .. yes he had 1 awful game ,, but there is NO ONE out there who has a good day everyday .. we are all human my friends .. give da kid a break he had 1 freakin bad game .. your focus should be on Matty's and JT's 1st 10 games as they got caved every game (except Matty last game)
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The fact that they do is pathetic
One of the most confusing developments from this debacle is the commentary that it’s a simple case of Mitch Marner smashing his stick. Of course, it’s not uncommon for a player to smash their stick when they are on the bench after a missed chance or a bad giveaway. But that’s not exactly how it happened.
Marner was called out and benched, then minutes later, in a calculated move, left the bench to unleash his anger. That’s not normal. Can you name a Toronto Maple Leaf who has done this in the past 20 years?
I watch a lot of hockey around the league. I have not seen a player, minutes after a benching, decide to leave the bench and lose it. If he came to the bench after the second giveaway and smashed his stick instantly, I would have shrugged. If, after getting called out in the timeout, he fired back at Keefe, it would have been understandable. And there are a ton of examples of both of those things happening over the years.
But this? I’m sorry, but there aren’t. If you have them, I’d love to hear them.
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I read it as a Leaf management problem more than a Marner problem in some ways. Basically Keefe and Dubas are substitute teachers.
Their stated mission is to set a high standard and hold guys accountable. Okay.
You’ve identified Marner as falling short in some way. Ok fine. Now deliver that message in clear and constructive ways and get out of the way.
If Marner has been a problem, the bigger problem is Keefe and Dubas aren’t stable authority figures in the room.
