TSN: Marner on tsn: "We are grown men".

[RoadWarrior]

$11m a year, an A on his shirt, and nearly 100 points on the scoreboard, Marner is a critical leader to this team. He was great when he was the joyful kid, but he just cannot handle the weight of the team on his shoulders, and it's a big problem when the whole team is looking up to him. I wish he could just blossom into a strong leader, but I don't know if he can do it with the pressure he puts on himself in a Leafs jersey.

I don't really worry about smashing a stick in the tunnel or off the posts when a goal is scored. But the tantrums, oh dear the tantrums really are a bad look. This team feels like it's a case study in bad and ineffective leadership.

It's obvious why Spezza was brought in to help these guys. Because Marner, Matthews and too quiet Tavares can't provide enough leadership on their own. Marner and Matthews are immature and Tavares too silent. Rielly is the closest thing the leafs have to a team leader and he doesn't have a letter. I think his long term contract extension says it all.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I wish management operated as one club and stuck by him as part of our team, which was getting one value set of calls while Boston was getting another

It's since become a more vocal issue that perhaps there's bias against Toronto in officiating. But it was present then.

What's shocking, not unlike a lot of once trusted cultural norms, is that Kadri's retaliation IN THE PLAYOFFS was seen as irresponsible, and nary a mention of the obvious impunity Boston was allowed to play with. The answer wasn't and should never be: We'll just have to adapt to the bias. It should always have been sticking with Kadri and the obvious prejudice against our team, the bravest of which, was Nazem Kadri.

That's the only trade where I thought: Why isn't Shanahan stepping in on this one given Shanahan's player profile?

And to think, Kadri blocked a trade out of love for our team and our fans...and signed a fair deal as a Stanley Cup, Smythe level playoff performer with the team he initially blocked.

Kadri blocked deal for tax purposes and because he wanted to go for a Cup run .. rest of it is complete political BS

 

[RoadWarrior]

Kadri blocked deal for tax purposes and because he wanted to go for a Cup run .. rest of it is complete political BS

Actually that story is close to the reality of what happened. It highlights the stupidity and shortsightedness of leaf management but Dubas jettisoned the best playoff performer on the team because he "hit too hard" in the playoffs.

It says more about Dubas and the bias in favour of Boston than it does about Kadri who I think it's safe to say redeemed himself.

 

[Stephen]

To think, this all would have been forgotten had he scored the OT winner when Gibson robbed him on the goal line (I actually cheered thinking it was in).

It’s so weird and fitting that in a moment when he needed to hammer it home the last touch was still just a little finesse move.

 

[1specter]

Kadri blocked deal for tax purposes and because he wanted to go for a Cup run .. rest of it is complete political BS

Not buying that. He's talked at length about how much he loved it here, he still lives here in the offseason and calls it home. He even mentioned how he's bonded to the city and team forever in his Players Tribune article, it's been 3 years he has nothing left to prove.

Kadri isn't a bullshitter.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Actually that story is close to the reality of what happened. It highlights the stupidity and shortsightedness of leaf management but Dubas jettisoned the best playoff performer on the team because he "hit too hard" in the playoffs.

It says more about Dubas and the bias in favour of Boston than it does about Kadri who I think it's safe to say redeemed himself.

I am not saying he did not love TO .. he does .. and yes he wanted to stay .. but Dubie wanted da nice guy pretty boy player .. and Shanny sided with Dubie .. Naz will never be da nice guy player .. he is from school of do whatever it takes to win and da h*ll with da consequences .. sad thing is Shanny was da same way .. but he has lost his Mimico ways

 

[ITM]

Kadri blocked deal for tax purposes and because he wanted to go for a Cup run .. rest of it is complete political BS

I'm no accountant, but don't Albertans generally keep more of their money than we do in Ontario?

As for political BS? Whose? Kadri's or mine?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I'm no accountant, but don't Albertans generally keep more of their money than we do in Ontario?

As for political BS? Whose? Kadri's or mine?

Sorry nothing to do with either I was referring to this media narrative about Kadri .. Alberta is lower than Ontario yea .. Colorado 4,5% state tax .. Alberta 15% for high income earners .. Ontario 20.53 for high income earners .. Florida is best place to reside at 0% which is why guys take lower AAV's in Florida

 

[ITM]

Sorry nothing to do with either I was referring to this media narrative about Kadri .. Alberta is lower than Ontario yea .. Colorado 4,5% state tax .. Alberta 15% for high income earners .. Ontario 20.53 for high income earners .. Florida is best place to reside at 0% which is why guys take lower AAV's in Florida

Cool, no problem.

But you would agree then, that the idea of Kadri blocking a deal from Toronto, Ontario to Calgary, Alberta for tax purposes makes no sense unless he wanted to pay more taxes...which again, makes no sense, right?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Cool, no problem.

But you would agree then, that the idea of Kadri blocking a deal from Toronto, Ontario to Calgary, Alberta for tax purposes makes no sense unless he wanted to pay more taxes...which again, makes no sense, right?

Yes he was better off in Alberta than Ontario without a doubt .. but Kadri was also looking for a Cup contender too .. he actually had a couple buddies on Flames at that time too so he didn't go to hang with budds either .. it came down to putting even more $$$ in his pocket and winning a Cup and bottom line he did both .. very good decision he made as a player

 

[ITM]

Yes he was better off in Alberta than Ontario without a doubt .. but Kadri was also looking for a Cup contender too .. he actually had a couple buddies on Flames at that time too so he didn't go to hang with budds either .. it came down to putting even more $$$ in his pocket and winning a Cup and bottom line he did both .. very good decision he made as a player

Again, that's not the case and it's inverting order and circumstances: He didn't initiate leaving Toronto and only but for management forcing Kadri to choose from a number of options, did Kadri leave Toronto.

So you can't say "it came down to putting even more $$$ in his pocket and winning a Cup and bottom line he did both."

His very good decision was incidental to being forced to make that decision. That he won the Cup with Colorado in a contract year isn't something he personally willed. It just worked out for him that way. But it worked out that way accidentally. Kadri's strong preference was to remain a Maple Leaf. There's no reason not to believe the man and his representation.

There's no discounting personal aims that are a result of choices, but Kadri, repeatedly (His $4.5M contract with term in Toronto and his Calgary contract) agreed to mutually beneficial deals.

I think it buys into some peculiar narrative that Kadri's a selfish player. His play and his contracts and thus his decision making, say otherwise.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Actually that story is close to the reality of what happened. It highlights the stupidity and shortsightedness of leaf management but Dubas jettisoned the best playoff performer on the team because he "hit too hard" in the playoffs.

It says more about Dubas and the bias in favour of Boston than it does about Kadri who I think it's safe to say redeemed himself.

Um, Kadri was pretty ineffective in the playoffs even when he was in the lineup. 6 points in 12 games for a guy in his role was hardly inspiring, and then he was kicked out in 2 series too.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Um, Kadri was pretty ineffective in the playoffs even when he was in the lineup. 6 points in 12 games for a guy in his role was hardly inspiring, and then he was kicked out in 2 series too.

He was hurt .. but bottom line when team was in any kind of trouble it was Kadri who helped carry da load .. it is not anything to do with POINTS .. what a team really needs is a guy in playoffs who can go get a loose puck and use his speed and skill to break through when da boys are not going and win a game on his own ie game 4 which was looking like a 2-2 series but Kadri decided it was gonna be 3-1 .. it was da back breaker game

 

[Gabriel426]

To think, this all would have been forgotten had he scored the OT winner when Gibson robbed him on the goal line (I actually cheered thinking it was in).

He tried to deke the goalie instead of shooting. That’s MM, when the pressure is on, he over think and don’t want to pull the trigger. He did the same thing in the Habs series.

 

[Gabriel426]

Look how many star players broke sticks in these videos. It happens every night in the NHL, y’all making a big deal out of nothing. Pro sports evoke emotions. I rather see a player who is visibly upset and shows they care than one who doesn’t react or doesn’t have any emotion at all. Most of the leafs are emotionless and that is the issue. As a group they aren’t passionate. You have a few that are, Simmonds, bunting, Marner but the rest just sit there and show nothing.

Look at how much emotion Anaheim played with last night. We don’t have that

Playing with the passion and throwing tantrum are two different things.
Just like crying in the middle of the game and crying after losing the playoffs series.

MM was horrible last night. And the way he dealt with his plays just didn’t show anything that’s worth having an A on the jersey and being one of the top 8 highest paid player in the league.

 

[francis246]

Playing with the passion and throwing tantrum are two different things.
Just like crying in the middle of the game and crying after losing the playoffs series.

MM was horrible last night. And the way he dealt with his plays just didn’t show anything that’s worth having an A on the jersey and being one of the top 8 highest paid player in the league.

Again I’m not excusing his behaviour but we need to stop acting like he is the only player in the league who does this and this woah is me, Marner got upset. Players lose their shit, who cares. We make a big deal out of everything. Crosby early in his career used to throw tantrums on a nightly basis.

The response is all that matters, after it he went out and almost scored, Gibson robbed him unfortunately. If he responds with better play I don’t care what he does. But if he’s going to continue to sulk and do nothing about it that’s where I have a problem

 

[Stand Witness]

Between the 32 Thoughts podcast (Friedman and Marek) and the Leaf Report podcast (Mirtle and Jonas), Marner is NOT looking good today.

Down right pathetic honestly… and not a professional let alone one of the highest paid players in the league.

What a fragile individual.

 

[Budz22]

I can see him writing an opt ed in the Stwr to the fans right now.

 

[Gabriel426]

Again I’m not excusing his behaviour but we need to stop acting like he is the only player in the league who does this and this woah is me, Marner got upset. Players lose their shit, who cares. We make a big deal out of everything. Crosby early in his career used to throw tantrums on a nightly basis.

The response is all that matters, after it he went out and almost scored, Gibson robbed him unfortunately. If he responds with better play I don’t care what he does. But if he’s going to continue to sulk and do nothing about it that’s where I have a problem

He tried to deke the

Again I’m not excusing his behaviour but we need to stop acting like he is the only player in the league who does this and this woah is me, Marner got upset. Players lose their shit, who cares. We make a big deal out of everything. Crosby early in his career used to throw tantrums on a nightly basis.

The response is all that matters, after it he went out and almost scored, Gibson robbed him unfortunately. If he responds with better play I don’t care what he does. But if he’s going to continue to sulk and do nothing about it that’s where I have a problem

had he responded with better plays in the game?
He almost scored but he didn’t and the reason why he didn’t was bc he tried to deke the goalie, sometime he tends to do whenever the pressure is on him. He always over think whenever the pressure is on.
Then there is the shambles comment.
I think all players deserve to get criticisms after having a bad game. It doesn’t mean he sucks but that’s the accountability, he needs to own up his bad plays.

Between the 32 Thoughts podcast (Friedman and Marek) and the Leaf Report podcast (Mirtle and Jonas), Marner is NOT looking good today.

Down right pathetic honestly… and not a professional let alone one of the highest paid players in the league.

What a fragile individual.

Wait till Overdrive

 

[ToneDog]

Anybody believe the poster who claimed Marner was a bargain at 10.893m? Did not think so.

 

[francis246]

He tried to deke the

had he responded with better plays in the game?
He almost scored but he didn’t and the reason why he didn’t was bc he tried to deke the goalie, sometime he tends to do whenever the pressure is on him. He always over think whenever the pressure is on.
Then there is the shambles comment.
I think all players deserve to get criticisms after having a bad game. It doesn’t mean he sucks but that’s the accountability, he needs to own up his bad plays.


Wait till Overdrive

For sure and again if you listen to the full post game both Mitch and Matthews take full
Accountability. The both said it starts with them and they cannot make the turn overs they did. But here we are hyper focused on one small part of the larger comment as always.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Marner getting up and throwing a hissy fit in the tunnel during the game shows up his coach and his teammates. He says he's a man? Than lift up your head accept responsibility and be better. I wouldnt want a teammate like that.

And Keefe, you bench a player than bench him stop flip flopping on your choices. Don't be a bitch and give in. Your jobs on the line more than anyone and you can't let the inmates run the asylum.

 

[Martin Skoula]

All Babcock knows is old school solutions and there's no way in hell his old school solutions were going to work with the situation we had.

This entitlement culture is scary.

Locker room management aside, his on ice decisions both left a lot to be desired tactically and didn't match up to the style of game he said we needed to play. We were playing a pond hockey stretch pass game that didn't use any of our strengths. He had 3 of the best skating D in the league and never had them skate the puck beyond their own blueline.

Actually that story is close to the reality of what happened. It highlights the stupidity and shortsightedness of leaf management but Dubas jettisoned the best playoff performer on the team because he "hit too hard" in the playoffs.

It says more about Dubas and the bias in favour of Boston than it does about Kadri who I think it's safe to say redeemed himself.

Kadri got suspended again the next year and the year after that he had front row seats to a no-name rookie dropping a hat trick on him in an elimination game. He wasn't going to get 5 lives, if he didn't get traded when he did it was bound to happen the year after. Avs fans wanted him gone the offseason before the cup, his turnaround last season was great but he needed several kicks in the ass to get there.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

I'M A MAN, I'M 40!!!!!

 

[notbias]

Marner getting up and throwing a hissy fit in the tunnel during the game shows up his coach and his teammates. He says he's a man? Than lift up your head accept responsibility and be better. I wouldnt want a teammate like that.

And Keefe, you bench a player than bench him stop flip flopping on your choices. Don't be a bitch and give in. Your jobs on the line more than anyone and you can't let the inmates run the asylum.

I've seen people asking for emotion, and now I have seen Keefe, Dubas, and Marner all criticized for showing emotion