TSN: Marner on tsn: "We are grown men".

[DarkKnight]

Matthews has 3 goals 5 assists and 8 points in 10 games.

Breakdown
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1 X ES 5v5 goal (the one he ever so lightly tipped)
2 X PPG and 3 X PPA
1 X EN assist
1 X OT assist

In 10 games played this year Matthews has essentially 1 even strength point playing 5v5 with a goalie in the net.

This is far from what you would expect from the reigning Hart and Rocket Richard winner.

We are abysmal 5 v 5.

 

[Gabriel426]

Mitch deserves a ton of criticism, I find it really interesting though how 34 has no vitriol thread, he’s been absolute dogshit this year. Last night was the first game he looked engaged the whole trip.

I think the MM criticism went into overdrive when Keefe retracted his comments and the medias asked MM and he made the grown men comment.

As I said it at the time, MM is not the brightest when it comes to medias.

Ofcourse the team struggles and then you had a game like last night, not just mistakes but the tantrum, then the Shambles comment. If MM said anything along the line with what AM and Reilly said, I think the backlash won’t be as bad.

 

[francis246]

Showing frustrations is not the same as showing emotions, even though frustrations is part of emotions.
Mack saying in a presser he and the Avs had won nothing is showing emotions. MJ scolding his teammates when they made a bad play is emotions. MM throwing a tantrum is frustrations. Pippen refusing to play bc Phil didn’t choose him to take the last shot is frustrations.

Frustration is an emotional reaction, therefore you are showing your emotions…

 

[Nhlpowerweek]

Poulin said at tsn that marner should have sat the whole game after the turnover.

 

[DarkKnight]

I think the MM criticism went into overdrive when Keefe retracted his comments and the medias asked MM and he made the grown men comment.

As I said it at the time, MM is not the brightest when it comes to medias.

Ofcourse the team struggles and then you had a game like last night, not just mistakes but the tantrum, then the Shambles comment. If MM said anything along the line with what AM and Reilly said, I think the backlash won’t be as bad.

That comment he made was nothingness personified. Keefe created the issue, Mitch actually said they keep it in the room and they’re men. Big f***ing whoop, the mileage that’s gotten here is embarrassing. I mean I get people hate the guy, but over that comment is pathetic to me. Anyways I largely avoid this thread, it’s more a human psychology bad experiment than hockey talk.

 

[Mess]

Poulin said at tsn that marner should have sat the whole game after the turnover.

The 1 shift was a joke punishment.

The minute Anaheim tied up the game 3-3 the benching was over and he was sent back out there to help record a win.

It just shows you how desperate the coach is, that even when he tries to take control back from the inmates, this save his own ass took priority as he attempted to not suffer another loss when it was Marner that really assisted on 2 of Anaheim's goals and why the game was still close.

 

[LeafGrief]

Poulin said at tsn that marner should have sat the whole game after the turnover.

Wow, it's rare that I agree with Poulin.

 

[ACC1224]

That comment he made was nothingness personified. Keefe created the issue, Mitch actually said they keep it in the room and they’re men. Big f***ing whoop, the mileage that’s gotten here is embarrassing. I mean I get people hate the guy, but over that comment is pathetic to me. Anyways I largely avoid this thread, it’s more a human psychology bad experiment than hockey talk.

Sums it up for me.

 

[Antropovsky]

That comment he made was nothingness personified. Keefe created the issue, Mitch actually said they keep it in the room and they’re men. Big f***ing whoop, the mileage that’s gotten here is embarrassing. I mean I get people hate the guy, but over that comment is pathetic to me. Anyways I largely avoid this thread, it’s more a human psychology bad experiment than hockey talk.

Reports were marner kept talking about the comments. Friedman said anyhow. Marner needs to just say "next question"

 

[Gabriel426]

Frustration is an emotional reaction, therefore you are showing your emotions…

Spin as you like but MM just need to stfu and produce. He is the one who claimed to be grown man, he is the one who claimed he wants to win here and play here, he is also the one who is not producing(he ain’t the only one).
What I see is an underperforming highly paid player who choke when the going gets tough than open his mouth and blame others.
All he needs is stfu and produce.

 

[Enniskillen]

Marner support group detected. No matter what the results are, they will be defending his stupid decisions on ice. I dont care about his off ice shenanigans or skip dish ads, if he is a good player. Him and other core players are not a good fit for the leafs, as six(!) first round attempts showed, so yes, he sucks and needs to be traded. I am sure he will thrive at some less media driven American market with less pressure.

 

[DarkKnight]

Reports were marner kept talking about the comments. Friedman said anyhow. Marner needs to just say "next question"

Then he’d be distant and aloof. Again, it’s a whatever.

Lets talk about being up 3-1 and not protecting the puck. That’s fair.

 

[wingman75]

Poulin said at tsn that marner should have sat the whole game after the turnover.

Well, if you are holding the players accountable, I agree with Poulin. But they are not... not really, and certainly not consistently and depending on who you are and where you fall in the lineup there may not be any at all.

There were opportunities to take a hard stand and demand better, but that is now gone.

I am sure Keefe would say different players react to different types of criticism, which is true but I still think there was an opportunity to send a bigger message to the entire roster to get their heads out of their asses and play the game situationally.

A part of what makes Mitch great is his creativeness; the part that makes him suck is not knowing when to just play a simple game.

 

[Gallagbi]

Not really, where’s the 34 hate thread?

Mitch was awful last night.

This is a thread on a Marner quote.

Theres the "is it reallly the end of the world if AM doesnt re-sign" and "Are AM3 and MM16 Coach killer" a few threads down.

 

[Gabriel426]

That comment he made was nothingness personified. Keefe created the issue, Mitch actually said they keep it in the room and they’re men. Big f***ing whoop, the mileage that’s gotten here is embarrassing. I mean I get people hate the guy, but over that comment is pathetic to me. Anyways I largely avoid this thread, it’s more a human psychology bad experiment than hockey talk.

You asked why MM is getting worse than AM and others. And I just stared the reason.
Pretty sure if Reilly or AM made the same comments, the reaction will be the same. And if Willie made the same comment, this board will explode.
Nothing comment or not, these guys been prep since a young age on what to say and what not to say. Just keep your mouth shut and if there is nothing good to say, it is someone that even my 5 yrs old niece know what to do.
Is this fair to MM, well, he could had not say anything, so at the end of the day, it goes back to him opening his mouth in the first place. But most importantly, he needs to produce on the ice.

 

[Antropovsky]

Wow, it's rare that I agree with Poulin.

Marner didn't decide to break his stick until he found himself benched and he knew rhe camera would be on him.

He broke his stick after the Holl giveaway and yelled at him loud enough the arena and broadcast heard; what the TSN panel described as sewering his teammate. Watch that play again, why is Marner coasting out of the defensive zone when his teammate has yet to clear the zone? Keep playing until the puck is out!

Who was screaming expletives at Marner and making a big scene after Marners second giveaway that led to a goal?

Marner was a distraction yesterday.

 

[Antropovsky]

Then he’d be distant and aloof. Again, it’s a whatever.

Lets talk about being up 3-1 and not protecting the puck. That’s fair.

The point is Marners mouth creates his own problems. He is not good with media at all.... this is a leadership attribute and young players are typically trained for. He says moronic things that media pray on. He is putting the target on his own back. Nobody would talk about the shambled brains or mean social media posters until Marned brings it up.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I think the MM criticism went into overdrive when Keefe retracted his comments and the medias asked MM and he made the grown men comment.

As I said it at the time, MM is not the brightest when it comes to medias.

Ofcourse the team struggles and then you had a game like last night, not just mistakes but the tantrum, then the Shambles comment. If MM said anything along the line with what AM and Reilly said, I think the backlash won’t be as bad.

And Eliot Friedman (one of the most trustworthy insiders in the sport?) went on the record that a source told him that it was Marner who made a fuss to management about Keefes comment, triggering the backpedal.

I think the heat on Marner has gone way too far around here, but I understand it to a degree I guess.

 

[PromisedLand]

here is a contrast in leadership and accepting responsibility. Marner had two giveaways that led to goal against. take some responsibility there bud. wearing an "A" doesn't mean you are a leader. Gotta show some leadership

JT



Marner


Matthews

 

[Gabriel426]

And Eliot Friedman (one of the most trustworthy insiders in the sport?) went on the record that a source told him that it was Marner who made a fuss to management about Keefes comment, triggering the backpedal.

I think the heat on Marner has gone way too far around here, but I understand it to a degree I guess.

Didn’t know that.

 

[Stephen]

The 1 shift was a joke punishment.

The minute Anaheim tied up the game 3-3 the benching was over and he was sent back out there to help record a win.

It just shows you how desperate the coach is, that even when he tries to take control back from the inmates, this save his own ass took priority as he attempted to not suffer another loss when it was Marner that really assisted on 2 of Anaheim's goals and why the game was still close.

Yep. The desperation reeks off Keefe. The radically blended lines to start the game don’t scare or impress anyone. Just throws guys out of sync for 5 minutes before you go back to the real lines.

 

[Stephen]

And Eliot Friedman (one of the most trustworthy insiders in the sport?) went on the record that a source told him that it was Marner who made a fuss to management about Keefes comment, triggering the backpedal.

I think the heat on Marner has gone way too far around here, but I understand it to a degree I guess.

That was also management’s opportunity to tell Marner to pipe down, but the way Dubas and Keefe carry on like Marner is their boss, you wouldn’t expect that to happen.

I don’t even know why they placate to Marner so much. From what I can tell it’s not like he’s a UFA flight risk any time soon or always some beloved Leaf.

 

[SoVi3t]

Interesting Kyper and Bourne both thought Matthews deserves more scrutiny than the ”engine of the team” Marner, he’s been more underwhelming this year. I agree completely.

Matthews always seems to be playing injured.

Marner always seems to be playing with no heart.

You may want to look up the definition of emotion, and then start thinking if you have a right to call someone a man after your first paragraph calling him a pathetic human over a hockey game, it seems like a little bit of a hissy fit too.

Ya I looked up the definition of emotion. Nowhere did I see "acting like a spoiled child is a positive thing". How interesting...

 

[Racer88]

Poulin said at tsn that marner should have sat the whole game after the turnover.

I agree. Benching for 1 shift only just goes to show how little control Keefe has over the new Muskoka 5

 

[ToneDog]

I agree. Benching for 1 shift only just goes to show how little control Keefe has over the new Muskoka 5

He knows that unless 16 and 34 start playing, he is done. He is coaching scared. Needs to go asap.