Prospect Info: Marner Magic about to take OHL by kNight -All purpose thread

[ConnorTO]

shame he didnt make it to the end

but like others said he doesn't look like a high end prospect
which isn't a big deal...

next year he might even get 9 games

 

[Stephen]

shame he didnt make it to the end

but like others said he doesn't look like a high end prospect
which isn't a big deal...

next year he might even get 9 games

Well, if he didn't look like a high end prospect, that would be a problem...

 

[tokyoite]

as predicted.
no need to rush.

 

[13pacheco31]

Well, if he didn't look like a high end prospect, that would be a problem...

I'm beginning to think picking him was a mistake

 

[LV*]

Wow you're saying a 160 pound 18 year old didnt rack up points in his first 3 NHL games in his life and playing against men for the first time in his life?!?!?! WOW!!!! WHO woulda thought

I'd love to see these boards if we had a guy like D. Pouliot who still hasn't made the NHL since being drafted back in 2012, or a guy like Draisatl/Nurse/S.Reinhart. This board is filled with people that dont know **** about hockey thats why TML fans get ripped on on HF more than any fan base

 

[Semantics]

Wow you're saying a 160 pound 18 year old didnt rack up points in his first 3 NHL games in his life and playing against men for the first time in his life?!?!?! WOW!!!! WHO woulda thought

I'd love to see these boards if we had a guy like D. Pouliot who still hasn't made the NHL since being drafted back in 2012, or a guy like Draisatl/Nurse/S.Reinhart. This board is filled with people that dont know **** about hockey thats why TML fans get ripped on on HF more than any fan base

Well said. And he played two NHL games. With mediocre linemates.

He's likely to follow a development path similar to Drouin, minus the Stanley Cup run.

Leafs fans are terrible.

 

[SingleAallStar]

Its also crazy because if you watched the Canada WJC practice matches he was the best player on the ice by a mile. Against the top juniors. People are saying Barzal is having a good camp for NYI. We saw them on the same ice, one was Mitch friggen Marner, the other was just another warm body in a jerz.

Not even slightly worried

 

[Gabriel426]

The sky is falling, Marner didn't make the team, he must be a bust......
Then when Marner finally makes the Leafs, he is a bottom 6 bc he is not scoring........
When Marner finally starts scoring, he does not play defense and a 200 ft game.
When Marner scores and plays 200 ft game, he is not in top 10 scoring and still too small bc he is being outplayed by Toews.
When Marner helps Leafs win the Cup, Nylander and Stamkos were the MVP...
When Marner retires and enter the Hall, he is still not better than Wendal and Dougie.

 

[jjjshab]

I find it strange that the Knights don't play again til Friday, while the Leafs have a game on Tuesday. You really couldn't slot him in that match before sending him back?

Meanwhile Rich Clune is still on the team

 

[mikebel111*]

I'm beginning to think picking him was a mistake

Nope it was right choice

 

[Ciccio1980]

To those who think he would've been drafted 1st overall usually 1st ov make the team the first year

 

[Nithoniniel]

I'm beginning to think picking him was a mistake

Seriously.

We picked Marner because of his potential, because of how good he is at things that you don't develop. We picked him knowing that he's not NHL ready. And people are seriously questioning the pick now because he's not NHL ready?

Not only is it an extreme overreaction to a small sample size, it's also completely illogical. If you draft a physically immature player, don't be shocked that he needs to develop physically.

People talking about how he is 2 or 3 years away are out to lunch. He's got one big issue, that completely hindered his ability to compete at this level. He's tiny, and he's not explosive enough. He needs to develop lower body strength, which will give him balance and explosiveness. That can be done in a year, and it's first then that we can evaluate the rest of his game. There's absolutely no reason to look any further than one year ahead.

 

[RyanOhReally]

I'm beginning to think picking him was a mistake

 

[ULF_55]

Problem is if they allowed that all the good CHL players would play from ages 16-17, then leave for the AHL. It would be bad for the fans and likely highly detrimental to the league. That said, they should maybe consider making an exception for top 10 picks or something like that.

Why would they if they weren't good enough?

AHL clubs would have to believe they are better than the professional players they have today.

They could easily implement a quota system like many European leagues have for imports, and like the CHL has for imports and overagers.

So if 30 players left the CHL to go to the AHL, you're telling me that would be dreadful? Things is it would likely be less than 30, because some NHL teams would put their kids there, rather than keep them on the big team.

But, who says Marner is even physically ready to play against men in any league?

 

[ULF_55]

Seriously.

We picked Marner because of his potential, because of how good he is at things that you don't develop. We picked him knowing that he's not NHL ready. And people are seriously questioning the pick now because he's not NHL ready?

Not only is it an extreme overreaction to a small sample size, it's also completely illogical. If you draft a physically immature player, don't be shocked that he needs to develop physically.

People talking about how he is 2 or 3 years away are out to lunch. He's got one big issue, that completely hindered his ability to compete at this level. He's tiny, and he's not explosive enough. He needs to develop lower body strength, which will give him balance and explosiveness. That can be done in a year, and it's first then that we can evaluate the rest of his game. There's absolutely no reason to look any further than one year ahead.

He was drafted with the understanding he would have to get stronger, and that is something he can actively work on.

He can't actively get bigger, see Giroux, he can hope, but it isn't necessary. Gretzky was 185 lbs.

For those who say it will take 2 years and those that say it won't take 2 years ...

 

[Mess]

Once upon a time, prior to the entry draft Marner was often compared by scouts as the next Patrick Kane based on size and style and position and both London Knights that ripped up the OHL in their draft years.

Kane however took the NHL by storm and recorded 21 goals and 72 points in his rookie season as an 18 year old overcoming his size limitations and becoming an immediate top line player right out of the gate.

Then that projection changed with the thought that Leafs might try and develop Marner into a centre and then that comparable became Claude Giroux as the reference point.

Giroux spent 2 more post draft years back in the CHL and then another 1/2 season in the AHL grooming his skills and strengthening his frame before he took the NHL by storm becoming the player he is today. He recorded 9-18-27 points in 42 games in his 1st NHL season.

Fans are going to have to show patience now knowing Marner isn't going to be an immediate star simply because he was a top 5 pick. It is however more difficult projecting NHL impact when a player is on the longer road like Giroux as opposed to the shortcut to success like Kane.

Time will tell how this story ends.

 

[Kubus]

I'm happy we didn't keep the kid up. I would rather him actually be able to play a top 6 role when he does make the Leafs, and produce. I don't want him to go through the same moronic scrutiny that our other young guys have had to go through like Kadr, Gardiner, and Rielly. It's probably best to keep him away from the spotlight for a bit.

 

[RoyalGremlin]

Alright hope the kid lights up the OHL, not upset at all but wish he got a few more games.

 

[Mess]

 

[Brock Radunske]

I expect him to put up good numbers in junior this year but I can't wait to see the junior numbers he puts up in his 4th year with the Knights as an over-ager!

 

[ULF_55]

To those who think he would've been drafted 1st overall usually 1st ov make the team the first year

Many players are being sent back.

Only the best are staying.

 

[Mess]

Alright hope the kid lights up the OHL, not upset at all but wish he got a few more games.

This new management team is all about earning your opportunities.

Marner unfortunately didn't show enough to warrant a longer viewing and management had seen enough to judge where he was mentally and physically at this point and determined extra experience at the NHL level wasn't essential for his development.

We all knew physically he would be outmatched by bigger, strong and faster players at this point, but that is true for most 18 year olds in comparison to proven NHLers.

I think the biggest issue was confidence this camp for him, as he admitted publicly he was nervous and struggling to find his game. For his own confidence sake I believe management thought returning him sooner than later was in Marner's best interest before it got too much into his own head and started questioning things.

He should rejoin his powerhouse Knights and in short order regain that, and take over where he left off last year, now with the knowledge of what its like at the NHL level applying that to what he knows he needs to work on and improve to come back next year.

 

[Anthrax442]

Marner wasn't ready, and that's also okay. Let him continue to dominate, grow, learn, and we'll see him around next training camp.

 

[LeafsMonster]

The sky is falling, Marner didn't make the team, he must be a bust......
Then when Marner finally makes the Leafs, he is a bottom 6 bc he is not scoring........
When Marner finally starts scoring, he does not play defense and a 200 ft game.
When Marner scores and plays 200 ft game, he is not in top 10 scoring and still too small bc he is being outplayed by Toews.
When Marner helps Leafs win the Cup, Nylander and Stamkos were the MVP...
When Marner retires and enter the Hall, he is still not better than Wendal and Dougie.

You could literally substitue any leaf and the situation remains the same, most notably kessel and kadri

 

[ULF_55]

1. The sky is falling, Marner didn't make the team, he must be a bust......
2. Then when Marner finally makes the Leafs, he is a bottom 6 bc he is not scoring........
3. When Marner finally starts scoring, he does not play defense and a 200 ft game.
4. When Marner scores and plays 200 ft game, he is not in top 10 scoring and still too small bc he is being outplayed by Toews.
5. When Marner helps Leafs win the Cup, Nylander and Stamkos were the MVP...
6. When Marner retires and enter the Hall, he is still not better than Wendal and Dougie.

You could literally substitue any leaf and the situation remains the same, most notably kessel and kadri

Let's not get ahead of reality here, no Leafs has been past #3, since Sundin, who made it to 4.