Proposal: Marner for Lindholm

[nbwingsfan]

Agreed. We should close this thread and open a Larkin + for Lindholm thread instead.

I would gladly trade Larkin + for Lindholm, and that's even ignoring that the Wings don't also have two other bluechip forward prospects as well.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Helm is a 19 year old former top 5 pick?



edit: red wings dont have the assets for rielly. larkin ++ maybe

I like how Larkin was our best forward last year (and our best after two games last season) yet would need multitle pluses for Rielly, yet Marner is worth more than an even better D in Lindholm.

 

[Apotheosis]

I am a huge fan of Lindholm, and he's in a premier position. But Marner is going to be special. Kid sees the ice in ways very few have ever seen the ice before. I would rather give up Nylander for Lindholm if we had to.

 

[LeafsNation149]

Leafs laugh and hang up the phone

Please don't speak for the team if you have no knowledge ty. Leafs do not laugh but they will hesitate to accept.

Fair value but I think both teams hold on to their players. I'd do this though

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I am a huge fan of Lindholm, and he's in a premier position. But Marner is going to be special. Kid sees the ice in ways very few have ever seen the ice before. I would rather give up Nylander for Lindholm if we had to.

I'd rather give up Fowler for nylander

Is this how it works

 

[Apotheosis]

I'd rather give up Fowler for nylander

Is this how it works

Your sarcasm is quite boring. Re-read my post and then re-assess how useless that comment was.

 

[snipes]

I am a huge fan of Lindholm, and he's in a premier position. But Marner is going to be special. Kid sees the ice in ways very few have ever seen the ice before. I would rather give up Nylander for Lindholm if we had to.

Nylander doesn't get anywhere close to Lindholm.

Having said that, it makes sense for the Leafs to just keep their young guys together and build with the core they have. Hampus will also cost them some coin and the Leafs have guys due for significant raises in the coming years. It looks like the Leafs are building something nice out East, no reason to interrupt it.

As good as Marner is and projects to be, I doubt ANA pulls the trigger in the end either. They know what they have in Lindholm, an elite Dman who looks to be a bona fide #1 guy. Add in the increased value of D compared to wingers, it's hard to see them trading Lindholm.

 

[Apotheosis]

Nylander doesn't get anywhere close to Lindholm.

Having said that, it makes sense for the Leafs to just keep their young guys together and build with the core they have. Hampus will also cost them some coin and the Leafs have guys due for significant raises in the coming years. It looks like the Leafs are building something nice out East, no reason to interrupt it.

As good as Marner is and projects to be, I doubt ANA pulls the trigger in the end either. They know what they have in Lindholm, an elite Dman who looks to be a bona fide #1 guy. Add in the increased value of D compared to wingers, it's hard to see them trading Lindholm.

I know it would be a + on top of Nylander. You don't have to tell me that.

 

[snipes]

I know it would be a + on top of Nylander. You don't have to tell me that.

I can only read what you write, I'm being respectful and engaging in hockey chat.

 

[Apotheosis]

I can only read what you write, I'm being respectful and engaging in hockey chat.

I never said you were being disrespectful. You just made the assumption that when I said "I would rather trade Nylander" that it meant that I thought he was worth Lindholm 1 for 1, which he isn't.

 

[LeafsNation149]

I've said in a previous thread that I'd do Nylander + 2018 1st for Lindholm. Seemed like fair value, if Lindholm was available I'd guess the deal would look something like that.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Your sarcasm is quite boring. Re-read my post and then re-assess how useless that comment was.

Because of course you would want to give up a lesser piece isn't rocket science... but lindholm isn't available so chances are it takes a significant over payment.


I'd rather give up Fowler for nylander doesn't mean it's fair value... nylander doesn't get you lindholm, but nylander could get you Fowler.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I never said you were being disrespectful. You just made the assumption that when I said "I would rather trade Nylander" that it meant that I thought he was worth Lindholm 1 for 1, which he isn't.

That's how your post read tho

 

[McVespa99]

Leafs laugh and hang up the phone

I agree. They would think they were being punked as they would never believe they could get Hampus for Marner.

 

[Bernier the Boats]

Nah. Love the one you're with.

 

[snipes]

I never said you were being disrespectful. You just made the assumption that when I said "I would rather trade Nylander" that it meant that I thought he was worth Lindholm 1 for 1, which he isn't.

Fair enough

I thought that's what you meant 1 for 1, I'm sure you could see how it looks that way. Makes more sense now that you clarified. As a side bar, you guys have been damn exciting to watch early.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Because of course you would want to give up a lesser piece isn't rocket science... but lindholm isn't available so chances are it takes a significant over payment.


I'd rather give up Fowler for nylander doesn't mean it's fair value... nylander doesn't get you lindholm, but nylander could get you Fowler.

There isn't valley between Nylander's value and Marner's y'know. They're pretty equal all things considered. It comes down to personal preference.

 

[Aintboutdatlyfe*]

I like how Larkin was our best forward last year (and our best after two games last season) yet would need multitle pluses for Rielly, yet Marner is worth more than an even better D in Lindholm.

Lindholm isn't better than Rielly, first of all. Switch Rielly to the powerhouse Ducks and Lindholm to the basement Leafs for the last 3 years and Rielly would have done so much better.

When they both play best on best Rielly is better.

And Marner is more valuable than Larkin. Larkin is more on par with Nylander.


And Fowler wouldn't get you remotely close to Nylander, by the way. Hilarious.


When will people learn that more proven =/= better? I would get it if it were a prospect that wasn't a sure thing. But Marner is a 1st overall talent who was in a stacked draft. And he's only gotten better and better. Hampus is very good. But he isn't a bonefide #1D yet. Well, on Anaheim he's close. But that's only because he has such a fantastic team supporting him. Look at all the other young Ds around the NHL near his age. They all play on teams that have been crappy up until this point (And not because of them). Put Lindholm on a team like Buffalo/Toronto/Winnipeg and and Risto/Rielly/Trouba would look better if they were playing on Anaheim. Toronto wouldn't trade Marner for Rielly. Lindholm is only viewed as better than Rielly because of team support. Case closed

 

[pierre gagnon*]

Toronto adds, marner has proved nothing in the pro game other then being a leaf player which on HF boards rates him above most, not even 5 games in now, leaf fans

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Lindholm isn't better than Rielly, first of all. Switch Rielly to the powerhouse Ducks and Lindholm to the basement Leafs for the last 3 years and Rielly would have done so much better.

When they both play best on best Rielly is better.

And Marner is more valuable than Larkin. Larkin is more on par with Nylander.


And Fowler wouldn't get you remotely close to Nylander, by the way. Hilarious.

Rielly is better offensive, Lindholm is better defense.

I think Rielly is more appealing to the eye because he plays a more risky/flashy game, stats will side to lindholm.


People can say power house duck team but part of the reason it's a power house is because of lindholm, and Fowler is closer to nylander that nylander is to lindholm.

 

[CamelToews]

I've said in a previous thread that I'd do Nylander + 2018 1st for Lindholm. Seemed like fair value, if Lindholm was available I'd guess the deal would look something like that.

Would do this deal. Doubt the Ducks would though.

 

[Aintboutdatlyfe*]

Rielly is better offensive, Lindholm is better defense.

I think Rielly is more appealing to the eye because he plays a more risky/flashy game, stats will side to lindholm.

Only because of playing with a better team, would Lindholm's stats be better, again, look at how well Rielly performs relative to his other Dmen peers in international play, all of a sudden he looks like the cream of the crop (Not saying he holds an advantage over Lindholm currently, but Lindholm doesn't hold any advantage over Mo, either

People can say power house duck team but part of the reason it's a power house is because of lindholm, and Fowler is closer to nylander that nylander is to lindholm.

They are a powerhouse team because of Getzlaf, Perry, strong goaltending, good defensive depth (Part of which is Lindholm, yes), and depth up the middle. And no, Nylander is much closer to Lindholm. Nylander's upside is #1C (He may be 2C longterm because of Matthews, but still a #1C in calibre, and he looks damn likely to reach that upside. The book is already written on Fowler, he's a 2nd pairing Dman. Factor in Contracts and age and it isn't all that close

Character Limit

 

[nbwingsfan]

Lindholm isn't better than Rielly, first of all. Switch Rielly to the powerhouse Ducks and Lindholm to the basement Leafs for the last 3 years and Rielly would have done so much better.

When they both play best on best Rielly is better.

And Marner is more valuable than Larkin. Larkin is more on par with Nylander.


And Fowler wouldn't get you remotely close to Nylander, by the way. Hilarious.


When will people learn that more proven =/= better? I would get it if it were a prospect that wasn't a sure thing. But Marner is a 1st overall talent who was in a stacked draft. And he's only gotten better and better. Hampus is very good. But he isn't a bonefide #1D yet. Well, on Anaheim he's close. But that's only because he has such a fantastic team supporting him. Look at all the other young Ds around the NHL near his age. They all play on teams that have been crappy up until this point (And not because of them). Put Lindholm on a team like Buffalo/Toronto/Winnipeg and and Risto/Rielly/Trouba would look better if they were playing on Anaheim. Toronto wouldn't trade Marner for Rielly. Lindholm is only viewed as better than Rielly because of team support. Case closed

Nothing is "case closed" because you say so with 0 evidence to back it up and it's simply your biased opinion.


Larkin >>> Matthews. CASE CLOSED.

 

[BWDude]

Why are people getting so offended in this thread where Leafs fans decline trading Marner for Lindholm when there is another thread up that suggests Ceci+a 1st.

If you offered me Ceci and a 1st for Marner I'd laugh you off the street, should be no different there yet people are getting so worked up here especially when earlier Leafs fans were just politely declining.

 

[Dragao6]

This thread is kinda funny. I keep hearing nylander+ or marner+....might be people that dont watch leafs games because yes kids are still unproven and all that but these high pick kids have shown they gave elite offensive skill which is way harder to aquire then strong defenders so jyst to clear this argument....

If you believe Lou is that interested in Lindholm then forget marner or nylander because they arent going anywhere....expect a offer sheet very soon long term at 6M + multiple years. Either we lose picks in an decent draft or anaheim matches and gets in a very complicated cap situation forcing them to trade other defenders for cheap.
Im sure leafs can continue to get other picks from rental and we wont be picking top 5 maybe 10 next year anyways....
So marner or nylander....nah just offer sheet