Proposal: Marner for Lindholm

[Kelly]

That doesn't make the comparison less ridiculous. Marner vs. Lindholm are two young players with high upside. Did Hunwick travel back in time? He's a veteran player, and established as what he is, which isn't anything special.

This proposal isn't a young talent for a mediocre veteran player. It's a young, skilled talent for a young, already proven to be good, and still very talented player. The logic isn't similar.

Ok fair enough, I thought my point was obvious but you're getting hung of on the small details. How about Ritchie for Gudbranson? All I'm trying to say is Leafs would rather bet on the potential because their in a position to do so, being in year one of their rebuild, and Marner has as high of potential as anybody in the league outside of McJesus. Marner hasn't had the chance to prove himself yet, where Lindholm has had 3 years. I've watched a lot of Knights game last year and Marner is the real deal. Zero chance I pass up on his potential short of an over payment. He's a special talent and soon other fans will realize this. I think revisiting this trade in a year, the general consensus will be different. But as of now it's a 2GP prospect vs a #1D, so I understand why some fans scoff at Leaf fans who deny this trade, but they just don't understand how good Mitch is. I'd love Lindholm, but not at the expense of Marner.

 

[Magic Man]

That has nothing to do with it. Kapanen has a full ELC but that trade is an easy yes from the Leafs.

Kapanen will waste a lot of that ELC developing with the Marlies. Marner will be a top-3 player on the team for 3 full years if he continues at this level.

 

[crowi]

Ranger fan definitely getting his funtimes from this proposal.

 

[A4T1L6]

at this rate, Marner is a leaf for life. But if I was GM, I would think long and hard, and probably do it.

 

[leaflover]

As much as these respective fanbases want to declare their guy the cats meow, the management groups would certainly think long and hard about something like this.

 

[buttman*]

Kapanen will waste a lot of that ELC developing with the Marlies. Marner will be a top-3 player on the team for 3 full years if he continues at this level.

And yet the fact a player is on a ELC has nothing to do with a trade like this.

 

[buttman*]

As much as these respective fanbases want to declare their guy the cats meow, the management groups would certainly think long and hard about something like this.

Lou told you this himself?

 

[kk87]

Not a chance Anaheim does this, but Toronto doesn't do it either. We want to see what we have in Mitch, because the guy's skill is utterly mind boggling

 

[dracom]

What are you people even arguing about? The potential of a young forward who looks really good in his first few games, and the potential of a young defenseman that has proven to be very good (some may argue top 20) over a couple of years.

Both teams look and think about the deal, but neither team does it. Highly regarded players like them don't get traded that easily, especially if they don't have to.

 

[McMatthews]

I love Hampus but no.

 

[Magic Man]

And yet the fact a player is on a ELC has nothing to do with a trade like this.

The fact that Marner will make 925K on the cap in the next 3 years and Lindholm 6.5M makes a difference in the value.

 

[Sonny21]

I think the whole laughing and hanging up derailed this thread. As much as I love Lindholm, I wouldn't do it from Leafs pov. Lindholm carries more value though and I'm sure Ducks wouldn't make the trade either.

 

[McMatthews]

The fact that Marner will make 925K on the cap in the next 3 years and Lindholm 6.5M makes a difference in the value.

This too.

 

[Dustin]

Would this be similar to trading Kane during his rookie year for Phaneuf?

You can see how wildly things can change for a player over a period of time. The Leafs could have Lindholm leading the league and being nominated for multiple Norris trophies while Marner barely plays in the NHL. Or as the above comparison shows the Defenseman could regress and the Forward enters a new stratosphere. These moves are much too risky for either team to make and that is why teams usually take a wait and see approach with their own prospects/young players.

 

[McMatthews]

Would this be similar to trading Kane during his rookie year for Phaneuf?

You can see how wildly things can change for a player over a period of time. The Leafs could have Lindholm leading the league and being nominated for multiple Norris trophies while Marner barely plays in the NHL. Or as the above comparison shows the Defenseman could regress and the Forward enters a new stratosphere. These moves are much too risky for either team to make and that is why teams usually take a wait and see approach with their own prospects/young players.

I would say it'd be more like trading a 19 year old Patrick Kane for a 23 year old Ryan Suter.

 

[Leafsrock95]

Hell no

Marner can potentially be better than Kane vs Lindholm who unless he becomes a top probably 3 or 5 defenseman don't think he ends up as good

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Would this be similar to trading Kane during his rookie year for Phaneuf?

You can see how wildly things can change for a player over a period of time. The Leafs could have Lindholm leading the league and being nominated for multiple Norris trophies while Marner barely plays in the NHL. Or as the above comparison shows the Defenseman could regress and the Forward enters a new stratosphere. These moves are much too risky for either team to make and that is why teams usually take a wait and see approach with their own prospects/young players.

Basically this.
It's a fair trade but it could go blowup

 

[Dustin]

I would say it'd be more like trading a 19 year old Patrick Kane for a 23 year old Ryan Suter.

Either way, these trades rarely happen for a reason. Can't see to many Chicago fans would be happy giving Kane away for a better defenseman at the time only for Kane to go on and become elite. Only times this has happened is when a player is not happy with the team or vice versa and even then it never really works out for both teams.

 

[CamelToews]

I'd do Nylander + for Lindholm.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Ranger fan definitely getting his funtimes from this proposal.

Haha think it was a decent proposal though. Some say yes, some say no. Usually a good response

 

[WesMcCauley]

I'd do Nylander + for Lindholm.

Ye dont see Anaheim doing that.

 

[scan15*]

The thing is that between Lindholm and Marner there is a much more noticeable difference in how established the former is, compared to the difference in upside.

On the other hand, Montour is not much worse than Hunwick right now and his upside is vastly better.

It was a very, very bad comparison, and the point would have been better made by not using the example at all.

Yeah, I get that the example was poor, but the gist of the post was very easy to grasp.

There is a very good idea of Lindholm's potential. He's a top 10 defenseman.

There isn't a great idea of Marner's potential in the NHL because he hasn't had a large sample size. But his skill set indicates that the potential could be very very high. Whether he reaches it or not, we will know when he reaches Lindholm's age right now, 21-23.

I guess the reason Sojourn was so confused was because he thinks that Lindholm's potential is higher than top 10. That I disagree with.

 

[CamelToews]

Ye dont see Anaheim doing that.

I don't either depending on the + and I don't see Lindholm getting dealt anyways. Out of the big three, Nylander would be the one I would move to help out our blueline if we couldn't any other way.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Good post. this is exactly what I don't understand.

We don't want to trade Marner, who cares if we are overrating him or not (we aren't). Marner has looked better than Matthews, and Matthews can be arguably the 2nd best player in the NHL someday.

So what I've got out of this thread is the Leafs have the first and second best player in the NHL after 2 games?

This is a 22 year old top pairing D. He's more valuable than any prospect.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Gimme Marner