Proposal: Marner for Lindholm

[buttman*]

What does this post even mean?

It means people have no idea how good this kid is. No idea. The don't watch the games. Sure he's a good defenseman but Marner's ceiling is through the roof. He's arguably been better than Matthews and Matthews scored 4 goals in one game.

Leafs aren't going to trade that type of potential for anything short of McDavid or some ridiculous offer right now.

 

[Commander Clueless]

You really think your GM wouldn't even consider it for Hampus Lindholm?

Really?

I get that the shiny new toy is exciting, but not being willing to move your toy for a potential #1 defenseman is a bit much. To suggest you guys wouldn't even consider it, for one of the best young defensemen in the game, well, that does come across as overhyping said toy.

Consider, yes. Do the trade? I don't know. I think management is pretty committed to homegrown talent.

It would certainly make the team better immediately, so there is that.

Marner is looking pretty special so far, but damned if we don't need a defenseman of Lindholm's calibre.

Nope, wouldn't even think about it. Based on what we have seen from Marner, he could be a top 10 player in the league. Wouldn't give up on a player with potential like that.

I like the enthusiasm, but let's reel this in a bit here my friend.

 

[buttman*]

Marner > Laine too.

Connor and Laine have ridiculous ceilings as well. I am sure the Jets aren't interested in dealing them for Lindholm.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

OHL Player of the Year, OHL Playoff MVP, CHL Player of the Year, Memorial Cup MVP...

Are you really suggesting 2 games is all we've had to rate this guy?

Ok how about Patrick Laine for Jake Gardiner? By your logic that makes sense.

So you think it is fair to compare a prospect, who's played two games in the NHL, to a guy who just scored 100 points and won MVP..?

 

[Sojourn]

It means people have no idea how good this kid is. No idea. The don't watch the games. Sure he's a good defenseman but Marner's ceiling is through the roof. He's arguably been better than Matthews and Matthews scored 4 goals in one game.

Leafs aren't going to trade that type of potential for anything short of McDavid or some ridiculous offer right now.

Sam Gagner scored 8 points in one game. I mean, okay, that's great, but Matthews was scoreless the next game. As impressive as that feat was, it's kind of meaningless in the context you used. It doesn't make Matthews any better or worse than he is, and what he is is something that has yet to be determined. Get back to me when Matthews is an established elite talent, and then show me that Marner is still arguably better. Until then, it's just good prospect vs. good prospect.

 

[Gavy]

It means people have no idea how good this kid is. No idea. The don't watch the games. Sure he's a good defenseman but Marner's ceiling is through the roof. He's arguably been better than Matthews and Matthews scored 4 goals in one game.

Leafs aren't going to trade that type of potential for anything short of McDavid or some ridiculous offer right now.

Just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't mean they don't watch hockey.
I think Puljujarvi will be better than Laine and I'm addicted to watching hockey...

I think you're ovarrating Marner. He absolutely has been better than Matthews so far but Marner isn't on his level or McDavid or Eichel

 

[LuckyDucky]

I think he's wrong about Lindholm being overrated, but you're also wrong if you're implying Marner is overrated

I'm not implying that he's overrated. He's played two NHL games. I can't say if he's overrated or underrated. With that said, some of these posts are jumping the gun in a big way, not only with the comparisons that are being thrown out, but also the posts stating that "the Leafs laugh" at a Lindholm offer.

 

[Gavy]

So you think it is fair to compare a prospect, who's played two games in the NHL, to a guy who just scored 100 points and won MVP..?

It's fair to compare any prospect to an NHL player.
Who else do you compare prospects too?

 

[BayStreetBully]

You're focusing too much on the names I used. They were just random I'm not saying lindholm is equal to Doughty. Just using the 2 best players at D and wing to say Dman are more valuable than wingers

Names are important. I believe Marner can be a better winger than Lindholm at defence. I believe both will be 1W and 1D. If I believe Marner can make up for the difference in position with his skill set, then it doesn't matter if he is W and Lindholm is D. Likewise, I'm sure Ducks fans too feel Lindholm will be the better player regardless of position.

 

[Sojourn]

Consider, yes. Do the trade? I don't know. I think management is pretty committed to homegrown talent.

It would certainly make the team better immediately, so there is that.

Marner is looking pretty special so far, but damned if we don't need a defenseman of Lindholm's calibre.

That's fair. I'm not trying to convince you to move him, or anything. I don't want to move Lindholm. I just don't really get the complete dismissal, or the tone that it's a ridiculous proposal.

 

[BayStreetBully]

So you think it is fair to compare a prospect, who's played two games in the NHL, to a guy who just scored 100 points and won MVP..?

It's fair to compare Marner to Kane before he hit his MVP season. Which is what scouts did in 2015. Still a damn good player though.

 

[bert]

Short answer - No

Long answer - Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Can't see the leafs giving up Marner for anything tbh

Yeah he is definitely the most valuable asset in the nhl.

 

[Sojourn]

Yeah he is definitely the most valuable asset in the nhl.

People can't tell me there isn't some overrating going on, with statements like this.

I mean his, not yours. You were clearly being sarcastic.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

I think people will have to wait and see on marner, other fan bases will. Some Boston and ottwa players said they were just as impressed with marner as they were matthews... take that for what you will. Lindholm is a great dman and i would give up willy+, but marner is a no go.

 

[buttman*]

Sam Gagner scored 8 points in one game. I mean, okay, that's great, but Matthews was scoreless the next game. As impressive as that feat was, it's kind of meaningless in the context you used. It doesn't make Matthews any better or worse than he is, and what he is is something that has yet to be determined. Get back to me when Matthews is an established elite talent, and then show me that Marner is still arguably better. Until then, it's just good prospect vs. good prospect.

I don't care how many points Sam Gagner scored. Really I don't and can't underline that ebough. This is about Marner who only has one goal so far -- hardly lighting it up.

Matthews will likely be the better player but the point is Marner could be every bit as good. Even if there is only a small chance of that -- the Leafs aren't trading that. Expect Matthews and Marner to be core players for the Leafs for the next 10+ year.

No HFboard thread or poster is going to change that.

 

[buttman*]

Just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't mean they don't watch hockey.
I think Puljujarvi will be better than Laine and I'm addicted to watching hockey...

I think you're ovarrating Marner. He absolutely has been better than Matthews so far but Marner isn't on his level or McDavid or Eichel

I like Marner better than Eichel. Of course, only some here are allowed opinions on that right? Like Poolparty being better than Laine....

 

[Sojourn]

I don't care how many points Sam Gagner scored. Really I don't and can't underline that ebough. This is about Marner who only has one goal so far -- hardly lighting it up.

Matthews will likely be the better player but the point is Marner could be every bit as good. Even if there is only a small chance of that -- the Leafs aren't trading that. Expect Matthews and Marner to be core players for the Leafs for the next 10+ year.

No HFboard thread or poster is going to change that.

And you don't know how good Matthews will be yet, which is my point. That claim falls short, because every bit as good as Matthews is still very open-ended. I'm very high on Matthews, but let's not pretend he's already an elite #1 center in this league. He has 2 games.

I have no interest in trying to change that. I didn't make this proposal. Lindholm isn't being moved.

 

[Kelly]

People can't tell me there isn't some overrating going on, with statements like this.

I mean his, not yours. You were clearly being sarcastic.

Marner is already a fan favorite, a hometown kid, and is looking like a potential superstar. Of course Leaf fans love the kid and may overrate him at times, I can say the same about Lindholm as I've read over the top posts about him as well. So I'm not sure what you're trying to acheive by repeating the same thing.

Yes, Leaf fans love Marner, get over it.

 

[buttman*]

So you think it is fair to compare a prospect, who's played two games in the NHL, to a guy who just scored 100 points and won MVP..?

McDavid has been compared to Crosby...

 

[Sojourn]

Marner is already a fan favorite, a hometown kid, and is looking like a potential superstar. Of course Leaf fans love the kid and may overrate him at times, I can say the same about Lindholm as I've read over the top posts about him as well. So I'm not sure what you're trying to acheive by repeating the same thing.

Yes, Leaf fans love Marner, get over it.

Most of them probably weren't from Anaheim fans.

 

[buttman*]

And you don't know how good Matthews will be yet, which is my point. That claim falls short, because every bit as good as Matthews is still very open-ended. I'm very high on Matthews, but let's not pretend he's already an elite #1 center in this league. He has 2 games.

I have no interest in trying to change that. I didn't make this proposal. Lindholm isn't being moved.

Matthews being a number one center is about as sure as it gets. I get it he's a prospect but it's bot that hard to see how good he is when he's already dominated men in the Swiss League, World Championships and WCH. It's actually pretty easy to project. Will he top out at 70 points? 80 points? 100 points? I don't know but he's already a top player.

 

[RomanianLeafs]

Marner is absolutely on another tier than Connor and Ehlers.

As for the trade from OP, a 1D will always be more valuable than a 1w.

If I'm starting a team and I have the option between Kane and Doughty, I'm taking Doughty

problem is Lindholm is not Doughty

 

[Kelly]

Most of them probably weren't from Anaheim fans.

Nah they were. Sorry but you guys ain't innocent either. Leaf fans are more noticeable because of the population of Leaf fans on this site. But judging on your high horse like your fanbase, or any fanbase for that matter doesn't do the same thing is just plain ignorant.

 

[Dustin]

So pick 2 players from opposing teams who fans care deeply about. Make sure they are different positions so comparing the 2 can be difficult at best. Leave little to no reasoning for the trade. Watch the world burn.

 

[LuckyDucky]

McDavid has been compared to Crosby...

And that is also premature. Then again, McDavid has played 46 more games than Marner in the NHL. While 48 games is not a sample size that can be used to make a declarative statement, it's a much better sample than 2 games.