Proposal: Marner for Lindholm

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

You really think your GM wouldn't even consider it for Hampus Lindholm?

Really?

I get that the shiny new toy is exciting, but not being willing to move your toy for a potential #1 defenseman is a bit much. To suggest you guys wouldn't even consider it, for one of the best young defensemen in the game, well, that does come across as overhyping said toy.

Nope, wouldn't even think about it. Based on what we have seen from Marner, he could be a top 10 player in the league. Wouldn't give up on a player with potential like that.

 

[crowi]

The fact your trying to defending Maple Leafs laughing at trading him for Lindholm and comparing him to McDavid and Eichel is enough to know that this won't lead to anything good so I am done with this nonsense.

edit: Yea, "Ducks in a row" is right.

 

[BayStreetBully]

And some people are comparing him to Patrick Kane after 2 NHL games

Scouts compared him to Kane long before that.

 

[leafsfan1234]

You really think your GM wouldn't even consider it for Hampus Lindholm?

Really?

I get that the shiny new toy is exciting, but not being willing to move your toy for a potential #1 defenseman is a bit much. To suggest you guys wouldn't even consider it, for one of the best young defensemen in the game, well, that does come across as overhyping said toy.

My team is not about to trade a 19 year old super prospect that grew up dreaming of playing for our team, I can assure of you that. You can call it over hype if you want, no one cares, we're rebuilding properly and not trading away our future for the most overrated player on these boards.

 

[Caesium]

The fact your trying to defending Maple Leafs laughing at trading him for Lindholm and comparing him to McDavid and Eichel is enough to know that this won't lead to anything good so I am done with this nonsense.

I never said I was comparing him to McDavid and Eichel, I'm pointing out how stupid it is to say that it's a no brainer to trade for Lindholm with literally any player, which is what the post I was replying to was suggesting.

 

[Kamiccolo]

You really think your GM wouldn't even consider it for Hampus Lindholm?

Really?

I get that the shiny new toy is exciting, but not being willing to move your toy for a potential #1 defenseman is a bit much. To suggest you guys wouldn't even consider it, for one of the best young defensemen in the game, well, that does come across as overhyping said toy.

I don't get this. Are the leafs not allowed to have 3 potential star players? Do you say to trade Kane for a top pairing D in 2008? I ask you to watch him first. He is dominant literally every shift. This guy has half our board thinking he will be better than Matthews. He's THAT good.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

My team is not about to trade a 19 year old super prospect that grew up dreaming of playing for our team, I can assure of you that. You can call it over hype if you want, no one cares, we're rebuilding properly and not trading away our future for the most overrated player on these boards.

Good post. this is exactly what I don't understand.

We don't want to trade Marner, who cares if we are overrating him or not (we aren't). Marner has looked better than Matthews, and Matthews can be arguably the 2nd best player in the NHL someday.

 

[Sojourn]

I don't get this. Are the leafs not allowed to have 3 potential star players? Do you say to trade Kane for a top pairing D in 2008? I ask you to watch him first. He is dominant literally every shift. This guy has half our board thinking he will be better than Matthews. He's THAT good.

Kane was a 1st overall pick, and was winning the Calder at 18. That's a poor comparison.

And I never said the Leafs couldn't have multiple star players. It's more that the player being offered isn't exactly a slouch himself. It's so unthinkable that a GM would be willing to trade a talented young prospect for a potential stud in Lindholm?

I certainly wouldn't do it, from Anaheim's perspective, but I'm not about to say Murray laughs and hangs up the phone. That's a needless attempt to dismiss Marner's talent or potential.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Kane was a 1st overall pick, and was winning the Calder at 18. That's a poor comparison.

And I never said the Leafs couldn't have multiple star players. It's more that the player being offered isn't exactly a slouch himself. It's so unthinkable that a GM would be willing to trade a talented young prospect for a potential stud in Lindholm?

Lindholm is a terrific player of course. Nylander/Lindholm is something that could be discussed probably, not Marner. Doubt the Ducks would be interested anyway.

 

[Semantics]

Marner is the Leafs franchise player and possible future captain, there is no way they do this.

And I could see how Marner is too unproven for a team that's less familiar with him to risk trading a #1D, so doubt Anaheim would want in either.

To put it more bluntly, Marner might be better than Matthews. He's been our best player the past two games, regardless of the 4 goals. You're not getting either unless you offer up a Norris contender, not a mere #1D.

 

[Leafidelity]

No thanks. No discussion to be had about any of Marner, Matthews, Nylander or Rielly. Assuming that takes us out of the conversation, I don't see a deal here.

 

[Gavy]

I'd give Ehlers or Connor from the Jets for Lindholm, easily. I'm surprised any Leaf fans are saying no to this. I don't think Marner is on another tier than those guys.

Marner is absolutely on another tier than Connor and Ehlers.

As for the trade from OP, a 1D will always be more valuable than a 1w.

If I'm starting a team and I have the option between Kane and Doughty, I'm taking Doughty

 

[LuckyDucky]

My team is not about to trade a 19 year old super prospect that grew up dreaming of playing for our team, I can assure of you that. You can call it over hype if you want, no one cares, we're rebuilding properly and not trading away our future for the most overrated player on these boards.

The irony is laid on thick in this post.

 

[Semantics]

Marner is absolutely on another tier than Connor and Ehlers.

Marner > Laine too.

 

[Gavy]

The irony is laid on thick in this post.

I think he's wrong about Lindholm being overrated, but you're also wrong if you're implying Marner is overrated

 

[BayStreetBully]

Marner is absolutely on another tier than Connor and Ehlers.

As for the trade from OP, a 1D will always be more valuable than a 1w.

If I'm starting a team and I have the option between Kane and Doughty, I'm taking Doughty

Yes, but Doughty is the best defenceman in the NHL. I would gladly trade Marner for a 22 year old Doughty. I wouldn't hesitate for a second.

 

[Gavy]

Marner > Laine too.

I'll wait a year before declaring that.

 

[Gavy]

Yes, but Doughty is the best defenceman in the NHL. I would gladly trade Marner for a 22 year old Doughty. I wouldn't hesitate for a second.

You're missing the point. Point is is that a 1D is more valuable to a team than a 1W

 

[buttman*]

Marner isn't going anywhere. People just don't get it. They just don't watch hockey. Sad.

 

[Gavy]

Marner isn't going anywhere. People just don't get it. They just don't watch hockey. Sad.

What does this post even mean?

 

[BayStreetBully]

You're missing the point. Point is is that a 1D is more valuable to a team than a 1W

No, I understood your point. There are varying skill levels within what we consider a 1D and a 1W. Doughty and Lindholm are both arguably 1D's, but that doesn't mean their value is the same. Same with Ovechkin and unnamed 1W.

 

[Static]

They're comparing Marner's style of play to Gretzky, while putting qualifiers in front of it saying that Marner isn't on the level of Gretzky. You're being intentionally obtuse and are trying to make Leaf fans look bad. You're pathetic.

I don't have to try anything, you provide all the ammo needed.

 

[Falcons93]

Wouldn't do it as a Leafs fan. For some perspective, I also wouldn't trade Marner for Rielly if Rielly were on another team.

He's on the same tier as Matthews as a prospect in my opinion.

 

[Gavy]

No, I understood your point. There are varying skill levels within what we consider a 1D and a 1W. Doughty and Lindholm are both arguably 1D's, but that doesn't mean their value is the same. Same with Ovechkin and unnamed 1W.

You're focusing too much on the names I used. They were just random I'm not saying lindholm is equal to Doughty. Just using the 2 best players at D and wing to say Dman are more valuable than wingers

 

[buttman*]

And some people are comparing him to Patrick Kane after 2 NHL games

OHL Player of the Year, OHL Playoff MVP, CHL Player of the Year, Memorial Cup MVP...

Are you really suggesting 2 games is all we've had to rate this guy?

Ok how about Patrick Laine for Jake Gardiner? By your logic that makes sense.