Proposal: Marner for Lindholm

[NarcoPolo]

wow, just wow

The guy is 22 years old and has been compared to him ever since his days in Moosejaw. He even models his game after the guy. Why at this point, with how much he's progressed over the last 2 years, is that so hard to believe? Unless of course you don't actually watch him play. A lot of people around here just like to spew out uneducated opinions so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'm not saying that the leafs wouldn't take the deal of it were on the table. I'm just saying that they would have to take a long look at it, not necessarily take it and run. I agree that the state of our defense outside of Rielly is a **** show and adding Lindholm would make our backend a legitimate one. With how some of our younger d prospects have been progresising and playing in the minors, you'd have to think that the leafs would like to give them a shot first to gauge what we have before shipping away our most talented young forward.

Matthews is staying

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Duncan Keith is a 2 time Norris Trophy winner, a Conn Smythe winner, he's going into the HHoF first ballot!

verrrrrrrrrrrrry reasonable projection for Morgan Rielly

 

[NarcoPolo]

Keith isnt a reasonable projection, its a dream.... Very few good defensemen at a young age end up like Keith.

He doesn't play with the edge the keith plays with but stylistically there are definite similarities. That's my opinion, I was super high on him when he was playing the WHL and I think he could be up in that tier when he's entering his prime. I've watched him play a ton throughout the years and his defensive game has come a looong way from what it once was.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I think this comes down to need. I would trade Marner for Lindholm if he was a RHD.
Based on position or experience you could argue that Lindholm>Marner but I wouldn't trade Marner for him because he's another LHD. He would either replace Rielly or play on the 2nd pairing and push Gardiner to the 3rd pairing.
Marner was the far and away best player in the CHL last year and a top 5 prospect in the world for the last two years. He's our 2nd best prospect and if the Leafs do move him, it will be for a top pairing potential RHD to pay with Rielly.
Not that I think Trouba is any where as good as Lindholm but he's the guy that should be targeted (but not for Marner)

 

[NarcoPolo]

Duncan Keith is a 2 time Norris Trophy winner, a Conn Smythe winner, he's going into the HHoF first ballot!

verrrrrrrrrrrrry reasonable projection for Morgan Rielly

I never said Morgan would win a Norris. Keith has been a big part of a great team for the past several years. However he's not gonna be as dominant, if he's even in the league at all, by the time players like Rielly, Lindholm, Jones, Ekblad, ect, are all in their prime. Sure some of them may not end up reaching their potential, same goes for Morgan, but there's a small handful of defensemen who are in the conversation as being part of the next wave of great dmen in the league. You'd be foolish to say Rielly isn't one of them.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Oh, here comes the victim card again!

Yes sir! and you play it so well. You also don't seem to understand how to answer questions either.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

The guy is 22 years old and has been compared to him ever since his days in Moosejaw. He even models his game after the guy. Why at this point, with how much he's progressed over the last 2 years, is that so hard to believe? Unless of course you don't actually watch him play. A lot of people around here just like to spew out uneducated opinions so it wouldn't surprise me.

Do you have any sources on this, not saying your wrong, but I have never heard this before.

 

[Sojourn]

Morgans probably an average #2 right now and he's progressing well and keith is a very reasonable projection for him at this point. Lindholm would obviously be a great addition but you're selling marner short here imo.

The guy is 22 years old and has been compared to him ever since his days in Moosejaw. He even models his game after the guy. Why at this point, with how much he's progressed over the last 2 years, is that so hard to believe? Unless of course you don't actually watch him play. A lot of people around here just like to spew out uneducated opinions so it wouldn't surprise me.

I think the issue here is that, on one hand, you're saying he was compared to Keith stylistically. On the other, you're saying Duncan Keith is a very reasonable projection.

Those are two very, very different statements. One does not equal the other. They can be similar in terms of playing style, and Rielly can still be a long shot to ever be the player Keith has turned into. Saying that Keith is a very reasonable projection is saying that it's reasonable to expect Rielly to win a Norris. Or two. That's the kind of player Duncan Keith became, so if you're saying Rielly projects to be Keith, you're saying that. Intentionally or otherwise.

 

[NarcoPolo]

Do you have any sources on this, not saying your wrong, but I have never heard this before.

http://www.oilogosphere.com/edmonton-oilers-2012-entry-draft-and-a-comparison-of-the-top-7-prospects-re-post/swin/

Most of his scouting reports predraft compared him to players like Keith, Letang or Karlsson. Others have said Phil Housley or Brian Leetch too, granted that was a while ago.

 

[Twist and Shout]

Value-wise, you couldn't argue with it. Love Lindholm, and he were a RHD I would definitely pull the trigger. I'd move something less for Trouba.

Both Marner and Lindholm have insane potential.

 

[scan15*]

Do you have any sources on this, not saying your wrong, but I have never heard this before.

Don't think I've ever heard him being projected as a Duncan's Keith. But after his rookie season, a lot of analysts said that they were reminded of Scott Niedermayer when they watched him.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

http://www.oilogosphere.com/edmonton-oilers-2012-entry-draft-and-a-comparison-of-the-top-7-prospects-re-post/swin/

Most of his scouting reports predraft compared him to players like Keith, Letang or Karlsson. Others have said Phil Housley or Brian Leetch too, granted that was a while ago.

So offensively he plays a similar style of hockey? Yah I can see that, like the other posters in here though, I think its a bit ridiculous to say he projects to be as good though, Keith is too unique to say that I think.

 

[NarcoPolo]

I think the issue here is that, on one hand, you're saying he was compared to Keith stylistically. On the other, you're saying Duncan Keith is a very reasonable projection.

Those are two very, very different statements. One does not equal the other. They can be similar in terms of playing style, and Rielly can still be a long shot to ever be the player Keith has turned into. Saying that Keith is a very reasonable projection is saying that it's reasonable to expect Rielly to win a Norris. Or two. That's the kind of player Duncan Keith became, so if you're saying Rielly projects to be Keith, you're saying that. Intentionally or otherwise.

I'm not claiming that Rielly will ever win a Norris. A lot of things have to happen that are out of players control in order for that to happen. Injuries, off years, potentially generational players entering the league, ect.. I think he could potentially be among a group of defensemen like keith or letang at some point in his career but that wont be for a few years, if it ever does happen. I think his impact on the leafs will at some point later on mirror that of Keiths for the hawks. I seem to be in the minority amongst leaf fans too but I think its silly to think that he's done developing at only 22 years old. He's been improving on the defensive side of the puck steadily since he's entered the league and you could see how effective he can be with a good team infront of him at the WCH.

 

[NarcoPolo]

So offensively he plays a similar style of hockey? Yah I can see that, like the other posters in here though, I think its a bit ridiculous to say he projects to be as good though, Keith is too unique to say that I think.

Another poster here who i think is a scout or was at the time, watched a lot of him playing in moosejaw and used keith as a comparable. RenegadeStylings or something? (could be wrong) it was a long time ago and i remember loving reading his reports on prospects.

 

[Sojourn]

You don't need to say he will win a Norris. You implied it. Strongly. You said he reasonably projects to be Duncan Keith. Duncan Keith is a two-time Norris winner.

Again, making a stylistic comparison is a very different thing than saying a player projects to be equivalent to a Norris winner. Which is what Keith is.

 

[BayStreetBully]

I'm not claiming that Rielly will ever win a Norris. A lot of things have to happen that are out of players control in order for that to happen. Injuries, off years, potentially generational players entering the league, ect.. I think he could potentially be among a group of defensemen like keith or letang at some point in his career but that wont be for a few years, if it ever does happen. I think his impact on the leafs will at some point later on mirror that of Keiths for the hawks. I seem to be in the minority amongst leaf fans too but I think its silly to think that he's done developing at only 22 years old. He's been improving on the defensive side of the puck steadily since he's entered the league and you could see how effective he can be with a good team infront of him at the WCH.

I won't speak for others, but I don't agree with Rielly and Keith comparison. I get what you're saying, but I'm not putting them in the same sentence until Rielly becomes at the very least a Norris caliber defenceman.

Yes sir! and you play it so well. You also don't seem to understand how to answer questions either.

Actually, I have a superiority complex, so naturally I don't need to be victim. But thanks for the compliment.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I won't speak for others, but I don't agree with Rielly and Keith comparison. I get what you're saying, but I'm not putting them in the same sentence until Rielly becomes at the very least a Norris caliber defenceman.



Actually, I have a superiority complex, so naturally I don't need to be victim. But thanks for the compliment.

 

[NarcoPolo]

You don't need to say he will win a Norris. You implied it. Strongly. You said he reasonably projects to be Duncan Keith. Duncan Keith is a two-time Norris winner.

Again, making a stylistic comparison is a very different thing than saying a player projects to be equivalent to a Norris winner. Which is what Keith is.

He very well could be in the conversation one day if the leafs are actually a legitimate team and he keeps improving and is still anchoring the back end. At some point players like Rielly, Ekblad, Lindholm(if he's not already there), Hanifin, Jones, ect, are going to reach their ceiling and become players that are in that conversation some years. Obviously not all of them will continue on an upward trend to that status but as it stands right now theyre more or less among the best of young defensemen in the nhl. But then again thats just my opinion. I know a lot of people may not agree but oh well.

Edit: to avoid a similar reply, maybe i should of used a different word than "reasoanbly projects" lol.

 

[SnazzyNazzy]

Leafs would be so dumb not to take that offer if it was on the table and run. A young top pairing dman vs a little wizardly winger = no contest, if your goal is to win the Cup.

Yes you'll say 'yeah Patrick Kane says you're wrong'. Chicago doesn't win those Cups without Keith and its other great dmen. The Leafs have one potentially top pairing dman.

WOw...

Hawks probably don't win without Kane either. The Leafs won't be contenders for another 3-5 years. Why in the hell would they trade one of the big 3 for another lefty who isn't even signed?

By the way, Marner is bigger than Kane.

 

[Sojourn]

I think that's oversimplifying it either way. A Cup winning team, without one of its best players, may not win a Cup.