Proposal: Marner for Lindholm

[BayStreetBully]

Yay friendship!

I don't think you're getting through to him. Obviously those are not even close comparables. I don't think you will get through to people making these arguments.

How about we both keep our highly valued, extremely talented players?

I'm game.

So Leafs and Ducks fans are already in agreement, but fans who have neither of Marner or Lindholm on their teams (and wish they did!) are here to make an argument where there is none.

Sorry other fans, you get neither!

 

[I am not exposed]

Man this Lindholm stuff has gotten way outta hand. If he was a good as people are making him out to be, don't you think the Ducks would have Signed him already? Made every effort possible to get him locked up long term. Or don't you think a team would have Offer Sheeted him already? I agree he is a good up and coming young d man but he's not the level people make him out to be. He is not even top 6 in his Country yet. Never been an All Star, Never won a Norris so lets settle down with the high value people are putting on him.

He is in a group of young D men that all look good at a very good age. He is no better or no worse than any of the ones I am about to list.

Lindholm
Rielly
Murray
Payrko
Trouba
Jones

All these kids are in a group of up and coming young D men but are behind some of the top D men in the NHL like

Doughty
Weber
Keith
Karlsson
Suter
McDonaugha
Subban
Pietrangelo
Letang
Ekblad

Just to name a few

Ekblad should be in the first group, not second group.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

So Leafs and Ducks fans are already in agreement, but fans who have neither of Marner or Lindholm on their teams (and wish they did!) are here to make an argument where there is none.

Sorry other fans, you get neither!

The argument that Lindholm holds more value is absolutely valid, don't understand where you get this none business, members of your fanbase have argued this fact too with duck fans, fans of other teams how stated over and over that these leafs fans are wrong, there is definitely an argument there.

Other fans can state whatever argument they want it is a free forum here bud.

 

[BayStreetBully]

The argument that Lindholm holds more value is absolutely valid, don't understand where you get this none business, members of your fanbase have argued this fact too with duck fans, fans of other teams how stated over and over that these leafs fans are wrong, there is definitely an argument there.

Other fans can state whatever argument they want it is a free forum here bud.

Post all you want.

Yeah, both fan bases like their own player, and will keep their own player. I know you won't be happy until you pin us to the ground waiting for us to surrender, but it ain't happening bud.

 

[ACC1224]

The argument that Lindholm holds more value is absolutely valid, don't understand where you get this none business, members of your fanbase have argued this fact too with duck fans, fans of other teams how stated over and over that these leafs fans are wrong, there is definitely an argument there.

Other fans can state whatever argument they want it is a free forum here bud.

Opinions are opinions and nothing more. Ganging up doesn't make an argument right.

Most opinions it seems are formed with the bolded in mind.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Post all you want.

Yeah, both fan bases like their own player, and will keep their own player. I know you won't be happy until you pin us to the ground waiting for us to surrender, but it ain't happening bud.

What the **** are you even talking about? I have said I really like Marner, I hope your team holds on to him and I hope he becomes the superstar that you all want. I have said that through out, the only thing I have called out is Leafs fans who seem to think he has already reached this status, and there for is worth as much or more than Lindholm, geez do some research bud.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Opinions are opinions and nothing more. Ganging up doesn't make an argument right.

Most opinions it seems are formed with the bolded in mind.

Who ganged up? What?

 

[BayStreetBully]

What the **** are you even talking about? I have said I really like Marner, I hope your team holds on to him and I hope he becomes the superstar that you all want. I have said that through out, the only thing I have called out is Leafs fans who seem to think he has already reached this status, and there for is worth as much or more than Lindholm, geez do some research bud.

If you have been that reasonable, then my original post didn't apply to you. Not everyone is reasonable like you, and my post was obviously about them. So you can quit whining about my posts bud.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

If you have been that reasonable, then my original post didn't apply to you. Not everyone is reasonable like you, and my post was obviously about them. So you can quit whining about my posts bud.

Who in this thread has undervalued any leafs players? Or made any argument that was invalid? What unreasonable things are you talking about?

Also calling out somebody for making an argument that is seemingly baseless is not whining, but yah keep playing the victim card.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Marner for Lindholm is embarrassingly bad for the Ducks, but it doesn't shock me that Leafs fans won't do it.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Marner for Lindholm is embarrassingly bad for the Ducks, but it doesn't shock me that Leafs fans won't do it.

Could you imagine if Lindholm was a maple leafs player how they would talk about him

 

[Halla]

Could you imagine if Lindholm was a maple leafs player how they would talk about him

I could imagine fans of other teams calling him a #3dman who tops out at 30pts.

leaf fans may overvalue their players (pretty much every fan base does)
but they get severely undervalued on HF boards the second they throw on a leaf jersey

Id also like to see how ducks fans would talk about Rielly if they had him given how high they are on Fowler (despite the terrible advanced statistics)

 

[Sundinisagod]

Could you imagine if Lindholm was a maple leafs player how they would talk about him

Could you imagine if Marner was a Duck's player how they would talk about him?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I could imagine fans of other teams calling him a #3dman who tops out at 30pts.

leaf fans may overvalue their players (pretty much every fan base does)
but they get severely undervalued on HF boards the second they throw on a leaf jersey

Id also like to see how ducks fans would talk about Rielly if they had him given how high they are on Fowler (despite the terrible advanced statistics)

Wed prob talk about Reilly the same way we talk about Fowler.

I don't think ducks have said anything bad bout Rielly, even gone as far as saying Reilly is the only dmen in that group that has the potential to be better than Lindholm overall.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Could you imagine if Marner was a Duck's player how they would talk about him?

Certainly wouldn't be comparing him to mcdavid or saying he'd worth larkin ++, and I'm pretty sure if someone offered a lindholm for Marner Wed make thst 9 out of 10 times especially if we had nylander and matthews on our roster.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Who in this thread has undervalued any leafs players? Or made any argument that was invalid? What unreasonable things are you talking about?

Also calling out somebody for making an argument that is seemingly baseless is not whining, but yah keep playing the victim card.

Oh, here comes the victim card again!

 

[NarcoPolo]

Certainly wouldn't be comparing him to mcdavid or saying he'd worth larkin ++, and I'm pretty sure if someone offered a lindholm for Marner Wed make thst 9 out of 10 times especially if we had nylander and matthews on our roster.

So because one deranged leaf fan thinks he's on McDavid's level, it's suddenly something that "leaf fans" think? Give it a rest. Lindholm is probably the best young dman amongst his age group and marner is among the best in his. I don't think Anaheim would trade him for marner but I think the leafs would have to take a hard look at it. Our d is putrid.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So because one deranged leaf fan thinks he's on McDavid's level, it's suddenly something that "leaf fans" think? Give it a rest. Lindholm is probably the best young dman amongst his age group and marner is among the best in his. I don't think Anaheim would trade him for marner but I think the leafs would have to take a hard look at it. Our d is putrid.

Honestly lou would make that move easily, and would prob add.... he's trying to build a winning team.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Leafs would be so dumb not to take that offer if it was on the table and run. A young top pairing dman vs a little wizardly winger = no contest, if your goal is to win the Cup.

Yes you'll say 'yeah Patrick Kane says you're wrong'. Chicago doesn't win those Cups without Keith and its other great dmen. The Leafs have one potentially top pairing dman.

 

[NarcoPolo]

Honestly lou would make that move easily, and would prob add.... he's trying to build a winning team.

And hes been gushing over marner since the start of the training camp. If the leafs believe marner can reach his potential, why would they make that move easily? I'd think a team like Calgary would have to second guess themselves if Anaheim wanted gaudreau for Lindholm (cgy probably wouldn't do it either). Just because one player happens to be better than another at one point in time doesn't mean anything when it comes to building a winning team. Marners 19 and hes looking good so far, just like Lindholm when he was a rookie.

 

[NarcoPolo]

Leafs would be so dumb not to take that offer if it was on the table and run. A young top pairing dman vs a little wizardly winger = no contest, if your goal is to win the Cup.

Yes you'll say 'yeah Patrick Kane says you're wrong'. Chicago doesn't win those Cups without Keith and its other great dmen. The Leafs have one potentially top pairing dman.

Morgans probably an average #2 right now and he's progressing well and keith is a very reasonable projection for him at this point. Lindholm would obviously be a great addition but you're selling marner short here imo.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

And hes been gushing over marner since the start of the training camp. If the leafs believe marner can reach his potential, why would they make that move easily? I'd think a team like Calgary would have to second guess themselves if Anaheim wanted gaudreau for Lindholm (cgy probably wouldn't do it either). Just because one player happens to be better than another at one point in time doesn't mean anything when it comes to building a winning team. Marners 19 and hes looking good so far, just like Lindholm when he was a rookie.

Calgary also has Gio brodie and Hamilton.


Leafs have Reilly, who is great but pretty big drop off after that, and have enough forwards that should be top 6 caliber to make a move if Lindholm was an option.

If Lindholm became available you'd have to believe maple leafs and oilers would be first in line offering up names like Marner and draisitle... granted he isn't available so all these arguments are unecessary.

Yes you lose a great young forward but you now have Rielly lindholm and gardnir and andersen in the goal, you now have a defense, goalie combo that can win you games and more importantly win you playoffs games.

 

[NarcoPolo]

Calgary also has Gio brodie and Hamilton.


Leafs have Reilly, who is great but pretty big drop off after that, and have enough forwards that should be top 6 caliber to make a move if Lindholm was an option.

If Lindholm became available you'd have to believe maple leafs and oilers would be first in line offering up names like Marner and draisitle... granted he isn't available so all these arguments are unecessary.

Yes you lose a great young forward but you now have Rielly lindholm and gardnir and andersen in the goal, you now have a defense, goalie combo that can win you games and more importantly win you playoffs games.

I'm not saying that the leafs wouldn't take the deal of it were on the table. I'm just saying that they would have to take a long look at it, not necessarily take it and run. I agree that the state of our defense outside of Rielly is a **** show and adding Lindholm would make our backend a legitimate one. With how some of our younger d prospects have been progresising and playing in the minors, you'd have to think that the leafs would like to give them a shot first to gauge what we have before shipping away our most talented young forward.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Morgans probably an average #2 right now and he's progressing well and keith is a very reasonable projection for him at this point. Lindholm would obviously be a great addition but you're selling marner short here imo.

wow, just wow

 

[WesMcCauley]

Morgans probably an average #2 right now and he's progressing well and keith is a very reasonable projection for him at this point. Lindholm would obviously be a great addition but you're selling marner short here imo.

Keith isnt a reasonable projection, its a dream.... Very few good defensemen at a young age end up like Keith.