Proposal: Marner for Lindholm

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So why would the Leafs give up their cost controlled asset then? Seems Anaheim is in a sort of pickle... He's not the sort of Dman we need complimenting our line anyways... dont get me wrong he's great, but he's not what the leafs need.

Wtf he is exactly the type of defender you need lol.... leaf fans are the best.

 

[Maukkis]

So why would the Leafs give up their cost controlled asset then? Seems Anaheim is in a sort of pickle... He's not the sort of Dman we need complimenting our line anyways... dont get me wrong he's great, but he's not what the leafs need.

You don't need Lindholm? Currently you don't have anyone who has any kind of chance of getting close to what Lindholm is now, let alone what Lindholm could realistically become. If that kind of defense doesn't need Lindholm, I don't know what does.

 

[Halla]

You don't need Lindholm? Currently you don't have anyone who has any kind of chance of getting close to what Lindholm is now, let alone what Lindholm could realistically become. If that kind of defense doesn't need Lindholm, I don't know what does.

Rielly doesnt even have a chance of being close to Lindholm?

MVP of team canada at the world championships, arguably the best team NA dman at the world cup, 3pts in 3 games with solid possesion numbers thus far....but yeah no one has a chance of even being close to what lindholm is now!.....

 

[Arcade Fire]

My god, IMO Ducks wouldn't even pick up the phone for this if Lindholm was signed.

Marner may or may not become great (though, I think he will be; think of an awesome offensive player with Duchene-like point production and maybe even more) but Lindholm is already a premium #2 D-man who has still great room to grow.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

So, there is simply no way Marner is worth as much as Lindholm at this point.

 

[Markus078]

Maybe they are a tad angry that the Anderson trade hasn't worked out as planned so far.

Maybe it would if they would have a defence that's worth the name.

 

[Markus078]

Rielly doesnt even have a chance of being close to Lindholm?

MVP of team canada at the world championships, arguably the best team NA dman at the world cup, 3pts in 3 games with solid possesion numbers thus far....but yeah no one has a chance of even being close to what lindholm is now!.....

Rielly will end up as the more productive player but Lindholm is the better defender right now and I think he will stay the better player overall. Rielly is still a very good young player.

 

[Vipers31]

Rielly doesnt even have a chance of being close to Lindholm?

MVP of team canada at the world championships, arguably the best team NA dman at the world cup, 3pts in 3 games with solid possesion numbers thus far....but yeah no one has a chance of even being close to what lindholm is now!.....

Even as a Ducks fan I actually agree with your point that Rielly is not nearly that far away to warrant that way-over-the-top comment, but man, those arguments are all terrible and way too easy to pick apart. I mean, a world championship? A small-sampled glorified preseason tourney where he is "arguably" the best among 6-7 other young defenders, not including Lindholm? 3 games to start a season with "solid" possession numbers? No reasoning would have served your point better, in all honesty. Those arguments are just asking to be picked apart, even when someone like I agrees with your premise.

 

[nbwingsfan]

yeah. the guy who has looked lost out there this year is better than a guy who set an NHL record in 39mins.

why is a wings fan derailing this thread?

That went over your head. Someone said Rielly is better than Lindholm with 0 evidence to back it up and said it's case closed due to his opinion. So I offered an equally ridiculous opinion with 0 evidence to back it up. Clearly it did not get to him.

Value is there at the current moment.

That said, I don’t see why Toronto jumps on Lindholm. If we really need an upgrade on D immediately, Trouba should be the target.

But that said, we’re not competing. So why would we trade one of our top prospects who is cost controlled for 8+ more years and hasn’t even gotten close to hitting his peak value?

Value is there at the moment...

And Lindholm at age 22 has peaked? 22 is too old for a rebuilding team? I'd argue the value also is not there at the moment as we have a 22 year old #1D vs a prospect who could be nothing (as unlikely as it is).

The way I see it, the only prospect in the last 10 years worth a 22 year old #1D before they even played a game is McDavid.

 

[Halla]

Even as a Ducks fan I actually agree with your point that Rielly is not nearly that far away to warrant that way-over-the-top comment, but man, those arguments are all terrible and way too easy to pick apart. I mean, a world championship? A small-sampled glorified preseason tourney where he is "arguably" the best among 6-7 other young defenders, not including Lindholm? 3 games to start a season with "solid" possession numbers? No reasoning would have served your point better, in all honesty. Those arguments are just asking to be picked apart, even when someone like I agrees with your premise.

36 pts last season getting 2nd unit PP time for the first 2/3 of the season is a good indication that he can easily be a #1 in the future.

still hilarious to see a guy saying no one has a shot to even turn into what lindholm is NOW. I personnaly wouldnt even move rielly for lindholm. more upside on offense, not as good defensively though.


this thread needs to be locked. neither teams like it and its just turned into a ******** "this is why the leafs are terrible" thread

 

[Halla]

That went over your head. Someone said Rielly is better than Lindholm with 0 evidence to back it up and said it's case closed due to his opinion. So I offered an equally ridiculous opinion with 0 evidence to back it up. Clearly it did not get to him.



And Lindholm at age 22 has peaked? 22 is too old for a rebuilding team? I'd argue the value also is not there at the moment as we have a 22 year old #1D vs a prospect who could be nothing (as unlikely as it is).

The way I see it, the only prospect in the last 10 years worth a 22 year old #1D before they even played a game is McDavid.

that kid who set an NHL record in his first game is pretty good too.
leafs wouldnt have even had a considered lindholm for matthews

 

[Omac13]

Man this Lindholm stuff has gotten way outta hand. If he was a good as people are making him out to be, don't you think the Ducks would have Signed him already? Made every effort possible to get him locked up long term. Or don't you think a team would have Offer Sheeted him already? I agree he is a good up and coming young d man but he's not the level people make him out to be. He is not even top 6 in his Country yet. Never been an All Star, Never won a Norris so lets settle down with the high value people are putting on him.

He is in a group of young D men that all look good at a very good age. He is no better or no worse than any of the ones I am about to list.

Lindholm
Rielly
Murray
Payrko
Trouba
Jones

All these kids are in a group of up and coming young D men but are behind some of the top D men in the NHL like

Doughty
Weber
Keith
Karlsson
Suter
McDonaugha
Subban
Pietrangelo
Letang
Ekblad

Just to name a few

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Man this Lindholm stuff has gotten way outta hand. If he was a good as people are making him out to be, don't you think the Ducks would have Signed him already? Made every effort possible to get him locked up long term. Or don't you think a team would have Offer Sheeted him already? I agree he is a good up and coming young d man but he's not the level people make him out to be. He is not even top 6 in his Country yet. Never been an All Star, Never won a Norris so lets settle down with the high value people are putting on him.

He is in a group of young D men that all look good at a very good age. He is no better or no worse than any of the ones I am about to list.

Lindholm
Rielly
Murray
Payrko
Trouba
Jones

All these kids are in a group of up and coming young D men but are behind some of the top D men in the NHL like

Doughty
Weber
Keith
Karlsson
Suter
McDonaugha
Subban
Pietrangelo
Letang
Ekblad

Just to name a few

Show me the #'s from the people you listed in lindholms group that are comparable to lindholm, not being signed isn't really a good argument. In the group you listed he is better then all of those guys according to the stats( the same stats people use to discredit fowler, its weird how that works to discredit someone but doesn't work to credit someone) as of right now. Can some of them catch up maybe, but right now you easily take lindholm over all of them(pretty easily) and the only 1 you could possibly give the nod to on potential is reilly.

 

[DasKaiser]

Leafs laugh and hang up the phone

Dreamworld! Leafs would be so lucky, wingers are more readily available. Lindholm is well on his way to #1 D status, so the maple laughs WOULD probably turn this down. Oh wait, they actually have a decent management group, and couldn't buy a plane ticket quick enough for Lindholm!

 

[Vipers31]

He is in a group of young D men that all look good at a very good age. He is no better or no worse than any of the ones I am about to list.

Lindholm
Rielly
Murray
Payrko
Trouba
Jones

Of course he is. He isn't actually behind Ekblad, either.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Man this Lindholm stuff has gotten way outta hand. If he was a good as people are making him out to be, don't you think the Ducks would have Signed him already? Made every effort possible to get him locked up long term. Or don't you think a team would have Offer Sheeted him already? I agree he is a good up and coming young d man but he's not the level people make him out to be. He is not even top 6 in his Country yet. Never been an All Star, Never won a Norris so lets settle down with the high value people are putting on him.

He is in a group of young D men that all look good at a very good age. He is no better or no worse than any of the ones I am about to list.

Lindholm
Rielly
Murray
Payrko
Trouba
Jones

All these kids are in a group of up and coming young D men but are behind some of the top D men in the NHL like

Doughty
Weber
Keith
Karlsson
Suter
McDonaugha
Subban
Pietrangelo
Letang
Ekblad

Just to name a few

IDE take HL over McD and ekblad

 

[Dustin]

Show me the #'s from the people you listed in lindholms group that are comparable to lindholm, not being signed isn't really a good argument. In the group you listed he is better then all of those guys according to the stats( the same stats people use to discredit fowler, its weird how that works to discredit someone but doesn't work to credit someone) as of right now. Can some of them catch up maybe, but right now you easily take lindholm over all of them(pretty easily) and the only 1 you could possibly give the nod to on potential is reilly.

Ya more than a fair post. Lindholm is what the top end of some those players hopes would look like. The only player I see of rivaling him would be Rielly but even that is hard to gauge as they play a very different game.

Parayko is obviously interesting but has played 83 NHL games. Let's let him duplicate last year before we anoint him. Same could be said about Ghost who was not mentioned for some reason.

I'm also not going to compare a 22 year old defenseman to established Dmen of the league and especially those who have won Norris trophies but as far as Ekblad goes, if he is better than Lindholm it certainly isn't enough that he is in another tier.

For that matter why is thread still open but as an attack now on either Lindholm or Marner. Both teams have politely declined for various reasons so why does it have to turn into a mud slinging match?

 

[ACC1224]

If this was offered to the Leafs I would think Lou Lam would do whatever he could to make the deal without Marner.

At the end of the day he'd probably accept it one for one since he didn't draft Marner.

 

[spacemanatee]

Short answer - No

Long answer - Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

how original

 

[Homesick]

I'd give Ehlers or Connor from the Jets for Lindholm, easily. I'm surprised any Leaf fans are saying no to this. I don't think Marner is on another tier than those guys.

Its nauseating how overrated Marner is by Leaf fans in this thread but I'm pretty sure neither Ehlers or Connor are on the same level as him. None of these young forwards are on the same level as a top pairing 22 year old defenseman. Not even close

 

[Incetardis]

Maybe they are a tad angry that the Anderson trade hasn't worked out as planned so far.

Woof... There is some serious troll jobs going on in this thread. Marner for Lindholm favors the leafs but trading him at this point would be a bad move IMO. He's been their best all around player and with a group of young developing forwards you reward that kind of play not ship him out of town. As much as an elite young forward for elite young D (not necessarily Lindholm) makes sense, I see them standing pat with this group for the time being. And the Andersen trade is 3 games in after a short camp due to injury. Nobody is upset about that move yet

 

[Zaddy91]

ducks laugh and hang up

 

[Kshahdoo]

I bet those Toronto fans, who say they wouldn't trade Marner for Lindholm, say it, because this trade will never happen. If by some godly miracle it happens, they first will cry out of a pure joy. But as I said this trade will never happen.

 

[Kelly]

I'd give Ehlers or Connor from the Jets for Lindholm, easily. I'm surprised any Leaf fans are saying no to this. I don't think Marner is on another tier than those guys.

See that's where you are wrong.

 

[ACC1224]

I bet those Toronto fans, who say they wouldn't trade Marner for Lindholm, say it, because this trade will never happen. If by some godly miracle it happens, they first will cry out of a pure joy. But as I said this trade will never happen.

Solid logic.