Salary Cap: Marner Deal Discussion
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Drifts all over the ice. Defence is all about stops and starts. That’s hard work. Watch him on the PK game 4 he drifts towards the puck letting Pasternak have so much ice to skate into. Pay attention to his point man in every game. Always available for a pass. In his own end he’s not going to win that clear the zone fight on the boards. It’s why him and Matthews don’t work.
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You're just a waste of time to talk to really. Guy puts up points for 150 games with or without Tavares which was the talking point, I proved it and you moved on.
Im done, you're lost lol.
He could put a million points. Who cares they are out in round one because he can’t play playoff hockey. The second Bergeron took away Tavares it was over for Marner.
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What's your debate, he sucks or hes nothing without Tavares?
If he sucks, okay I think you're wrong but you can have your opinion.
Is he nothing without Tavares? Well I was quick to disprove that with p/60 over a 150 game span.
He can’t get 90 points and suck however he isn’t gonna win you a Cup if he’s not 4 or 5 most important player in your lineup. He can pass at an elite level but that’s it that’s all he brings. Take that away and he isn’t very effective. See this season playoffs for proof. To often today’s fan gets sucked into the regular season point debate. Means nothing in a team environment if you can’t play the rest of the game. Tampa Bay same thing. Poorly built for playoff hockey.
As far as points go his output went up greatly with Tavares. Pretty obvious Tavares played a key role in that.
Well the Pk was fine against Bostons top line till it became 5 on 3 for the last 3 games and 5 on 4 at even strength because of Hymans injury. The Pk numbers, take aways... all tell a far different story from what you are seeing.
Don't know how NYI had a better record without JT and we had a worst one with him. I know Marneers fault.
Good grief buddy. Stop with the numbers and turn on a TV. It’ll tell you so much more. It’s a team sport and all of the individual numbers mean nothing in the overall game. Tavares never had a Matthews on the Island. All the focus was on him. The Islanders without the big point guy had to change game styles and where a lot fail to see in watching a game, it’s more suited to winning. An 11-10 loss is still a loss. Playing a full ice game is a winning style.
The PK went from 11th in the league to 17th in the league with Marner on the PK this year and 9th to 15th in the playoffs. He played a role in that whether you like it or not. In watching a game those numbers confirm exactly what I see.
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I agree Marner floated worse than JVR in the defensive zone at times this season.
But there were days he looked like a 27 year old Bergeron.
I think the key here is that it's clear Marner is ready to take his game to another level as an elite two way player. He's still young and developing. Bumpy rides along the way are inevitable. It's not common for 21 year old forwards to shut down lines in the NHL. That takes longer to learn.
From what I saw, Marner will have no problem getting there.
I don’t see it in his game. Any level. He’s a slick player but not tenacious at all. Not his style. It’s flash or nothing. Watch a Brayden Point or even a Johnny Gaudreau. These guys are dogs on bones. And they’ve got NHL shots.
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Your lack of knowledge on this subject is laughable and shows your nothing but a person who hates Marner. JT did not make his numbers go anywhere, he produced at the exact same pace playing with Kadri and Marleau for the last half of the season before. The playoffs if you where watching proved that JT could not do everything on his own as he attempted to do. Once Marner got the puck his line was dangerous JT was a hog.
Lol yeah that’s it. All JTs fault Marner had 1 shot in 3 games. Lol 1 shot in 180 minutes of playoff hockey. A boy amongst men.
It’s like your fawning over Kadri. Wrong player. You must just hate that Bozak, the much better player, may put on a Stanley Cup ring.
How many times did Marner pass off instead of taking a low/mid danger shot? How much CF did the entire line generate? What was Marners CF in those 3 games?
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Guess which Leaf player had the most "high danger shot attempts" at the Bruins net in the series 5-vs-5, *hint: it wasn't Matthews or Tavares
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Those first will all suck if Marner is on their team. Will be more like early seconds.
If a rebuilding team gets Marner their rebuild is over.
High danger shots without a dangerous shot. Who knew the Bruins would let him fire away. You’re just proving the point.
Your point is that he wasn't offensive in the series, I pointed out he had the most attempts at the Bruins net in and around the net area (the slot) He also had a 36.70 offensive zone start compared to Matthews 54.70 and Nylanders 63.50. Marner was always up against Chara, McCavoy, Bergeron and Marchand also ... you want to try again?
Chara LHD, Marner RW, Chara has a 7 or 8 foot stick?
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He wasn’t anything in the series. He went 3 games with 1 shot on goal. Three games!!! Post obscure cherry picked stats all you like.
I'm cherry picking stats? lol I believe he was held to no shots in 2 games, don't cherry pick lol he had 5 shots on net in game 7 ...
high danger Corsi is not obscure bud, youre just not up to date and you're trying to determine a players value by shots on net, your thinking is flawed, there is all types of different skillset on a team, shoot first, pass first, low/mid/high danger shooters, etc
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One shot in 3 games. One friggin shot in three games of a Stanley Cup playoff series. You think that’s good enough?
High danger Corsi let’s see, a shot that can’t beat an NHL goalie, a shot that bounces around shin pads is a good stat to rest your claim. Lol. Anyone who understands the game quickly realizes it’s a flyby stat. Watch a game. Your eyes should tell you that high danger corsi meant exactly zero.
Obscure stats: where you can sort, filter or manipulate until your agenda is matched.
If I’m reading this correctly, we’ve a few people here who are debating the issue of Marner vs Tavares and who is more responsible for their respective successful year? Really? I’m glad we’ve got them both. Carry on.
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