Salary Cap: Marner Deal Discussion
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Martin Skoula
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Suppressed by playing with Tavares?
Hey, you want suppressed, play with Johnsson and Kapanen all year. And still try to put up elite numbers.
We said that about Hyman too though. I was on board with the excuses last year but Johnsson and Kapanen aren't bad enough to dampen elite production. They're a bad fit given that they're all primarily shooters, but I'm not as eager to give a free pass this time. Not that he needs a pass, his ES numbers were great.
Suppressed by playing with Tavares?
Hey, you want suppressed, play with Johnsson and Kapanen all year. And still try to put up elite numbers.
Heck kappy and Johnny are a dream compared to Hyman and brown.
Auston matthews literally centered the previous years AHL third line and was second in goals in the entire league.
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Reality
Mathews regular season and playoffs total points 218 points in 232 games
Marner regular season and playoff points total points 241 points in 261 games
Ppg over their careers Mathews .939 ppg
Marner .923 ppg. Their production over their careers are very close in ppg and the gap has narrowed since last season. One scorers a lot the other gets a ton of assists. Anyone thinking Marner is not worth within a million of Mathews money is lying to them selfs.
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Tavares - 4 point improvement over last season.
Hyman - 1 point improvement over last season.
Marner - 25 point improvement over last season.
Who carried who now?
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Reality. You don’t combine the regular season and playoffs.
Show me a time when Marner significantly outscored Matthews in 2017-2018?
Again. Matthews is literally the best 5 on 5 goal scorer in the game. Despite playing with the worst line mates and less ice time than players that are close to him.
Matthews is top 2 in the league at what he is best at. Despite injuries.
Marner has never finished top 10 at what he does.
It’s just reality.
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Yes 8 years is key. 11 over 5, overpayment.
11 over 8 though, its fair. 10.5... thanks for taking a discount.
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All well and good.
Over the course of the next 5-7 years, the centers will be carrying us.
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I suppose these new high salaries for the young up and coming players are raising the bar for all players,but what I don't appreciate about it is ,they ain't won diddly yet! None of these younger players(as fun as they are to watch) are as good as Paddy Kane(for eg) in his prime,or arguably,even now. He got paid along with his teams leader and mate Toews after they won! These kids have not and might never win anything and are handcuffing (no money to sign good support players) their respective teams by demanding new benchmark money.
Chicago had to do some serious fanaglin' to keep a competitive team,it worked for them, but in today's market,I doubt it will let other teams create a dynasty type roster
Also,this 'offer sheet 'talk is nonsense! The 4 firsts is a huge price to pay that has regret written all over it. Not to mention the the actual cap hit. Imagine the pressure on that player,as well as the management that signed him. So much could go wrong!
How much worse is Tampa without Point,but have 10 or 11 million to spend ,plus 8 firsts over the next 4 years....See ya Braden,or Mikko,Or Mitchy.
I'm sure that every armchair Leaf GM would have fun spending not only this years extra cap money but next years as well (no Marleau). Then to have 2 first rounders every year to wheel and deal with...lotsa fun. No Mitchy ,but I bet they shore up that D nicely or very likely entice another high profile winger to come an d play with Matthews and /or JT. I would have no problem holding the door for the player and agent with that kind of compensation and left over cash to spend!
Chicago had to do some serious fanaglin' to keep a competitive team,it worked for them, but in today's market,I doubt it will let other teams create a dynasty type roster
Also,this 'offer sheet 'talk is nonsense! The 4 firsts is a huge price to pay that has regret written all over it. Not to mention the the actual cap hit. Imagine the pressure on that player,as well as the management that signed him. So much could go wrong!
How much worse is Tampa without Point,but have 10 or 11 million to spend ,plus 8 firsts over the next 4 years....See ya Braden,or Mikko,Or Mitchy.
I'm sure that every armchair Leaf GM would have fun spending not only this years extra cap money but next years as well (no Marleau). Then to have 2 first rounders every year to wheel and deal with...lotsa fun. No Mitchy ,but I bet they shore up that D nicely or very likely entice another high profile winger to come an d play with Matthews and /or JT. I would have no problem holding the door for the player and agent with that kind of compensation and left over cash to spend!
diceman934
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Just reality:
Marner 4th in assist this season.
3rd in Even strength assists. 6th in even strength points. At least understand what you are talking about. No top 10 my rear end!
These are season totals not based on per game as Mathew has not finished in the top 10 of any stat since his rookie season when he finished 2nd in goals.
Any reason you didn't put up the exact goal scoring numbers over that time period by any chance? I think they may tell a bit of a story
One guy is an elite goal scorer and a 1C, the other guy is an assist machine and a winger
Anybody thinking Marner deserves within a million dollars of Matthews is beyond saving
**** it, let's just give the good Torronna boy max money since reality seems to not longer exist
Yes. He finished second in the league in goals.
He has combined over the course of 3 seasons to be the best goal scorer in many categories.
Generally i don’t count assists on their own. Because well the NHL doesn’t. It’s goals and points. For rocket and Ross.
But ok to be fair those are true.
Can you show me where Marner significantly outscored matthews in 2017-2018?
Bull****, he's playing with a franchise level 1C who doesn't and didn't need Marner to drive that line
They complimented each other and to say Marner drove that line with Tavares on it is just wow, bloody wow
In fairness, it was an AHL championship third line. :p
Next year, AM will get Willy back (or Bracco maybe, if NK is dealt)....he’ll be fine. Hopefully, he gets unleashed abit and gets top line toi.
That’s a perk Marner got before re-upping, more time, more roles.
I don’t really buy a deal being close because the prez sat in.
Iirc, he met with Willy a few times too.
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Lol. You simply want to argue. Marner finished this year with more points and more points per game. Lead the team in scoring and finished among the best in the league in assist totals and even strength production.
You do not count assists lol well everyone else does.
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Players as good as Tavares and Marner aren’t carried.
Both can carry a line, that’s not required anymore.
Sorry. What is the assist award called? You think people consider the league leader in assists like goals and points?
He’s a 37 assist player?
You hear that often?
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9.95 for 6-8 years.
If he wants over 10, he better wait until his next contract. He is a winger who played with a franchise center.
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You said he had not finished in the top 10 in anything. I posted proof you were wrong so you resort to nonsense.
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What would you look at to determine who is driving a lines production?
Assists primary assists is the best stat. Marner was 3 in the league in primary assists he had 53. JT had 25. JT would not have had 47 goals this year without Marner. Marner proved the year before he could produce at a similar pace playing with Kadri and Marleau as he did for the last 40 games the previous season which included the playoffs.
In 10 years in the NHL JT just had more goals then assist this year for the first time. He drove production on his line in every other year as he was the man passing the puck to his line mates.
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