Salary Cap: Marner Deal Discussion

[Metroid]

8y/$10m will be ok (still an overpay imo) . I'll lose my turd if it's $10m for 4 years the way Dubas has been doing it though. Waffle dude brings up great points.

But at this point he just sounds like a mad man.
Quite entertaining tho.

 

[Optimist]

How the Minnesota Vikings deal with salary cap issues. Kendricks on Restructuring Contract: ‘I’m Just Trying to Help the Team’

 

[Gallagbi]

Hossa played all playoffs then his skin condition from equipment became too risky .... in the summer. Not wearing equipment

They ruined it for everyone IMO, that was the last straw for LTIR abuse.

 

[Legion34]

They ruined it for everyone IMO, that was the last straw for LTIR abuse.

BUT zetterberg is starting this year after admitting to circumvention

 

[Mr Hockey]

So your argument now is "The leafs pay more, and there are no logical rules and it makes no sense."

Uh... okay.

That's my precise point. The contracts Dubas is handing out make absolutely no logical sense based on precedence.

Stay in the present and future, because that is how Willie, Matthews, and Marner are negotiating ... They aren't looking at contracts and players from other teams.

Willie new Matthews wanted 12+
Matthews knew he was going to chase 12+ and didn't give a f*** about the Cap, team, etc
Marner outpointed Tavares, Matthews and 98% of the league...

He wants to be paid like a guy who outpointed his 11+ aav teammates ... no other players or contracts mean anything now

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

But at this point he just sounds like a mad man.
Quite entertaining tho.

True leaf fans have been thru a lot, watching every single one of our GM's doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I don't blame him for going mad

 

[Legion34]

Good grief. Marner was outpoi ting Matthews by a large degree with Kadri and Marleau

I went back to marners 4 point game.


Since that game

Marner 47 games 20g and 48 pts
Auston. 36 games 21g and 37 pts

That’s with Matthews getting a concussion and a separated shoulder.

Your bias is completely clouding you from simple facts

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Stay in the present and future, because that is how Willie, Matthews, and Marner are negotiating ... They aren't looking at contracts and players from other teams.

Willie new Matthews wanted 12+
Matthews knew he was going to chase 12+ and didn't give a **** about the Cap, team, etc
Marner outpointed Tavares, Matthews and 98% of the league...

He wants to be paid like a guy who outpointed his 11+ aav teammates ... no other players or contracts mean anything now

So whether your gm was a random 7 year old pulled out of the subways, or someone with 20 years of elite experience at the job, it wouldn't have made a lick of difference?

There "are no rules" and gm's are 100% just products of chance and luck?

 

[socko]

Dubas at work...

 

[Mr Hockey]

So whether your gm was a random 7 year old pulled out of the subways, or someone with 20 years of elite experience at the job, it wouldn't have made a lick of difference?

There "are no rules" and gm's are 100% just products of chance and luck?

I will repeat...

Marner wants to be paid like the guy who outpointed his 11+ aav teammates ... no other players or contracts matter... You would take the same stance also if you were Marner.

 

[Notsince67]

This is not a shot against Marner but when Auston Matthews played all 82 games in his rookie season he lead Toronto in points and he could have done that again the last 2 seasons if he never missed any games.

Conjecture. Playing 82 games takes a toll on every player. Some players just dont make it through a full season regularly. I really doubt we will see Mathhews regularly complete a full season.

 

[Notsince67]

Ummm no he wasn’t? You might want to check again. Matthews coming off a shoulder injury was still higher gpg and ppg

1.13 ppg after jan

 

[Legion34]

1.13 ppg.

Huh? If you go back to the Dallas game. Starting when Marner had a 5 pt game.

Marner 26games. 12 goals. 32 pts.

 

[Notsince67]

Huh? If you go back to the Dallas game. Starting when Marner had a 5 pt game.

Marner 26games. 12 goals. 32 pts.

Fixed it. After Jan

 

[Cleetus]

How the Minnesota Vikings deal with salary cap issues. Kendricks on Restructuring Contract: ‘I’m Just Trying to Help the Team’

this is true wish Cousins would do the same! but not likely.

 

[MLSE]

Other than Ovechkin and his 16%, is there any precedent of a winger making 13% of the cap off of their elc?
For reference: Ovechkin scored 160 goals/310 points over his elc. Marner 67 goals/224 points.

Kane was 11%. His elc totals? 76 goals/230 points.

Because the leafs have an expensive centre, they now have to give unprecedented contracts to their wingers? Is there any precedent for that on other teams?

Seems like all of the rules get recreated when it comes to the Maple Leafs...

Wasn't Kane a 5 year deal? 9.5 on a shorter term, sure.

 

[DarkKnight]

Thank god social media wasn't around during the Clark, Gilmour days. Can just imagine trashing one to build up another.

 

[Legion34]

Fixed it. After Jan

Ok. After the shoulder injury they had the same PPG.

Why don’t you show me which cherry picked stat you want to use.

I literally picked starting with marners 4 pt and 5 pt games as starting points.
Both times Matthews had a way higher GPG and slightly higher ppg.

Despite injuries.

Show me what you mean? Or is it the mono factor?

 

[Kiwi]

Dubas at work...

I enjoy that meme, pretty apt to

Thank god social media wasn't around during the Clark, Gilmour days. Can just imagine trashing one to build up another.

Very few people in this thread have said Marner isn't an excellent player, that's hugely different than pointing out 10M+ is rediculous money and we shouldn't give it to him
Or that he's not a comparable to an elite goal scoring center like Matthews

That isn't thrashing, that's fair

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Wasn't Kane a 5 year deal? 9.5 on a shorter term, sure.

I'm perfectly fine with 11% of the cap times five years (still a slight overpayment compared to Kane, but I'd still accept it at this point).

That would be 9.1x5

I'm perfectly ok with that.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I will repeat...

Marner wants to be paid like the guy who outpointed his 11+ aav teammates ... no other players or contracts matter... You would take the same stance also if you were Marner.

Are you saying this is largely Dubas fault for dramatically overpaying matthews? Because if so, I'd be in agreement.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Conjecture. Playing 82 games takes a toll on every player. Some players just dont make it through a full season regularly. I really doubt we will see Mathhews regularly complete a full season.

Since Matthews has played all 82 games during his rookie season I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and I say he can do that again.

 

[MLSE]

I'm perfectly fine with 11% of the cap times five years (still a slight overpayment compared to Kane, but I'd still accept it at this point).

That would be 9.1x5

I'm perfectly ok with that.

Okay yes.

Now if the cap goes up to 100 million by the end of his deal. How much are his next 3 years worth? Lets go low.. 13.5 which is a fair low number I'd say..

45.5 (5 years @ 9.1) + 40.5 (13.5 @ 3 years) =86 million...

10.75 per season..

Alright thats where im at 10.5-11 over 8 years if we go long.

And I'd be happy with that, I think the cap has potential to be more then 100 million by then and him to be worth more then 13.5%. Also he can probably get 9.5 over 5 if he wanted it.

I think the main thing I am getting at is people who would only be happy on an 8 year deal for under 10, don't really understand that it's not going to happen that way.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Okay yes.

Now if the cap goes up to 100 million by the end of his deal. How much are his next 3 years worth? Lets go low.. 13.5 which is a fair low number I'd say..

45.5 (5 years @ 9.1) + 40.5 (13.5 @ 3 years) =86 million...

10.75 per season..

Alright thats where im at 10.5-11 over 8 years if we go long.

And I'd be happy with that, I think the cap has potential to be more then 100 million by then and him to be worth more then 13.5%. Also he can probably get 9.5 over 5 if he wanted it.

I think the main thing I am getting at is people who would only be happy on an 8 year deal for under 10, don't really understand that it's not going to happen that way.

Yeah, I mean... to be honest, I reconsider. I'm cool witth 11 mil times 8. The 8 year term is the key. I concede.

 

[Nineteen67]

Yeah, I mean... to be honest, I reconsider. I'm cool witth 11 mil times 8. The 8 year term is the key. I concede.

You’d have to be planning to retire after 5 yrs to accept that. 8 yrs in Toronto cost max $$ for the superstars.