Salary Cap: Marner Deal Discussion Part III

[Menzinger]

Are we seriously comparing Marner to a 23 year old that just put up 50 goals.

Do you guys even understand how rare 50 goals is?

Literally two players have scored 50 goals in the last 6 years with a 2 year gap where nobody scored 50.

Ovechkin for 4 of those 6 years and Draisaitl last season.

Draisatl is also an elite center taking over 1000+ draws a season and winning over 600 of them.


It's amazing how nobody is willing to defend Nylander or Matthews but will go to any lengths to prove Marner is a god. It's funny how it's those same guys in the Nylander thread that treat Marner like he's Crosby. Is this even hockey or you guys just following Marner like some celebrity infatuation.

Oilers got the last laugh with the Draisatl contract. They're going to get more production for 1-2 million less than Marner, Laine, Rantanen etc.

Yeah, folks are being a absolutely silly attacking Draisaitl here. I think id probably give Marner the edge in a comparison BUT Calling him a passenger of McDavid while conveniently ignoring the impact that Marner has thrived playing off Tavares' wing is beyond amusing.

 

[ACC1224]

Which has been the case at every level of play since juniors...

Hes simply not a centre. And that's fine.

Correct there hasn't been a need for him to play center.
That he wouldn't be able to is a pretty simple view.

 

[ToDavid]

Oilers got the last laugh with the Draisatl contract. They're going to get more production for 1-2 million less than Marner, Laine, Rantanen etc.

Are the Oilers responsible for the concept of the passage of time? Congratulations, they overpaid a player and a couple years his contract started to look better. Evil geniuses, they are.

Cap goes up, contracts go up. Draisaitl's deal is the equivalent of about $9.4 million this summer and that's probably the ballpark that Marner and Rantanen will fall in. The cycle will continue to repeat itself and people will continue to not understand it.

Edit: Just so I'm clear, Draisaitl is a tremendous player and absolutely worth his contract today. But let's not act like the Oilers pulled one over on him.

 

[Skin Tape Session]

You lost me with this (I’m sure) very witty retort

Doesn't seem too hard

 

[Menzinger]

Correct there hasn't been a need for him to play center.
That he wouldn't be able to is a pretty simple view.

The idea that a guy wasn't even a consistent centre in junior as a teenager could transition to it at the NHL like a blink of the idea is nonsensical.

Hes not a centre, a natural winger.

 

[Walshy7]

Doesn't seem too hard

ah yes I knew this would be the reply. You made a stupid post then try to imply i'm stupid classic internet.

Have a good night

 

[Skin Tape Session]

ah yes I knew this would be the reply. You made a stupid post then try to imply i'm stupid classic internet.

Have a good night

My post may of seemed stupid to you but I guess when you're invested in b.s. the truth probably seemed stupid

 

[Walshy7]

My post may of seemed stupid to you but I guess when you're invested in b.s. the truth probably seemed stupid

 

[Skin Tape Session]

Awesome, now stop talking to me.

 

[Walshy7]

NVM

 

[ACC1224]

The idea that a guy wasn't even a consistent centre in junior as a teenager could transition to it at the NHL like a blink of the idea is nonsensical.

Hes not a centre, a natural winger.

Actually a natural center playing wing.
Either Dvorak or Marner had to move to the wing.
Marner was able to make the switch.

 

[Menzinger]

Actually a natural center playing wing.
Either Dvorak or Marner had to move to the wing.
Marner was able to make the switch.

Again, a centre actually needs to play the position for him to be one...

This is like calling Gardiner a winger because he used to do so years ago.

 

[MyBudJT]

Yeah, folks are being a absolutely silly attacking Draisaitl here. I think id probably give Marner the edge in a comparison BUT Calling him a passenger of McDavid while conveniently ignoring the impact that Marner has thrived playing off Tavares' wing is beyond amusing.

LOL. Who is attacking Draisatl?

The dramatization around here is too much sometimes.

 

[ACC1224]

Again, a centre actually needs to play the position for him to be one...

This is like calling Gardiner a winger because he used to do so years ago.

It's not like that but I'm guessing you'd like it to be.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Actually a natural center playing wing.
Either Dvorak or Marner had to move to the wing.
Marner was able to make the switch.

I would move Kadri for Dvorak, I'm just saying ...

Tavares~someone?
Matthews~Willie
Dvorak~Marner

 

[Menzinger]

It's not like that but I'm guessing you'd like it to be.

Do you still consider Gardiner to be a winger?

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

Actually a natural center playing wing.
Either Dvorak or Marner had to move to the wing.
Marner was able to make the switch.

So your saying Dvorak couldn't make the switch to wing? I think a better, more rational explanation is Dvorak is a better C then Marner.

 

[MyBudJT]

So your saying Dvorak couldn't make the switch to wing? I think a better, more rational explanation is Dvorak is a better C then Marner.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what makes Dvorak a better C than Marner?

 

[Notsince67]

There’s no one way centres play. What you’re describing is a puck handling, playmaking winger.

Wow. Such insight. You mean that McDavid and goat dont play the same? Try following along. Elite centers are playmaking 200 foot players. Stop being so obtuse.

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what makes Dvorak a better C than Marner?

I have no reasoning myself. But if the Hunters knew the Leafs had no Center depth at the time of Marners draft season and they still moved him to the wing over Dvorak speaks volumes.

 

[Nithoniniel]

By the criteria used in this thread, quite a large portion of the wingers in the league are actually natural centers.

There's been quite a few times over the last few years where we have desperately needed some talent down the middle when suspensions and injuries have hit. That Marner was still not considered our best option should tell you all you need to know.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Wow. Such insight. You mean that McDavid and goat dont play the same? Try following along. Elite centers are playmaking 200 foot players. Stop being so obtuse.

While I agree that centers have to be good at passing and have relatively good vision due to playing in the 'center' of their teammates, the leafs have an elite center who I wouldnt classify as a playmaker ever (Matthews).

 

[Walshy7]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what makes Dvorak a better C than Marner?

When the opportunity came to pick marner or Dvorak at c the knights chose Dvorak.

In the nhl Dvorak’s plays centre marner has not.

 

[MyBudJT]

By the criteria used in this thread, quite a large portion of the wingers in the league are actually natural centers.

There's been quite a few times over the last few years where we have desperately needed some talent down the middle when suspensions and injuries have hit. That Marner was still not considered our best option should tell you all you need to know.

When?

 

[ACC1224]

So your saying Dvorak couldn't make the switch to wing? I think a better, more rational explanation is Dvorak is a better C then Marner.

As Team it was better to keep Dvorak in the middle.
I would think he could have made the switch just not as well as Marner did.
At the end of the day it's what's best for the make up of the Team.