Salary Cap: Marner Deal Discussion Part III

[Nithoniniel]

Actions speak louder than words.

That's it. Plenty of situations where we needed a highly talented center while we had options on wing, and Marner was still not used there. It's not been explored as an option at all. Marner could probably play center given his skill set, but right now he's a winger who might be able to transition.

The counter-argument seem to be that the coach won't do it because the Tavares line would fall apart completely without Marner on it. Of course. However that would be the same coach who had no qualms moving Nylander to center a non-factor line even though that meant nothing was done about a Matthews line that was falling apart, in desperate need of a transition and playmaking specialist. Babcock has already shown that he'd prefer the center depth over filling an important winger role. He's shown he would do just the kind of move that would put Marner at center in times of need, if he saw Marner as one.

On a related note, man some of the posters in this thread must think that Tavares is the most unnecessary acquisition we've made considering how he's seemingly a product of Marner, to the degree that the effect stretch retroactively into the past by a decade.

This thread is funny. All it lacks is a happy ending.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Reporter: "The organization spoke about Marner and Nylander as potential centers. Do you see them as potential centers?"
Babcock: "I see Willy as a center, for sure. Not-"
R: "Not Mar-"
B: "No."

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

That's it. Plenty of situations where we needed a highly talented center while we had options on wing, and Marner was still not used there. It's not been explored as an option at all. Marner could probably play center given his skill set, but right now he's a winger who might be able to transition.

The counter-argument seem to be that the coach won't do it because the Tavares line would fall apart completely without Marner on it. Of course. However that would be the same coach who had no qualms moving Nylander to center a non-factor line even though that meant nothing was done about a Matthews line that was falling apart, in desperate need of a transition and playmaking specialist. Babcock has already shown that he'd prefer the center depth over filling an important winger role. He's shown he would do just the kind of move that would put Marner at center in times of need, if he saw Marner as one.

On a related note, man some of the posters in this thread must think that Tavares is the most unnecessary acquisition we've made considering how he's seemingly a product of Marner, to the degree that the effect stretch retroactively into the past by a decade.

This thread is funny. All it lacks is a happy ending.

Reporter: "The organization spoke about Marner and Nylander as potential centers. Do you see them as potential centers?"
Babcock: "I see Willy as a center, for sure. Not-"
R: "Not Mar-"
B: "No."

I think it was also Babcock who had a monologue about how hard it was to drive offense from the wing, and how so few players can do it. I think he mentioned that in context of being asked about Patrick Kane? Babcock's point was that Kane can do it.

If he thinks Marner is one of those few special players that can drive offense from the wing and Nylander is not, it also explains why he wouldn't move Marner to centre.

I think he's been trying to develop Nylander into a position where he can drive offense on his own line, whether it be wing or centre (using him as centre, Kadri's wing, etc...). If you keep him on Matthews' line I'm not sure you have an opportunity to develop him in that way given Matthews is driving the offense.

 

[ACC1224]

That's it. Plenty of situations where we needed a highly talented center while we had options on wing, and Marner was still not used there. It's not been explored as an option at all. Marner could probably play center given his skill set, but right now he's a winger who might be able to transition.

The counter-argument seem to be that the coach won't do it because the Tavares line would fall apart completely without Marner on it. Of course. However that would be the same coach who had no qualms moving Nylander to center a non-factor line even though that meant nothing was done about a Matthews line that was falling apart, in desperate need of a transition and playmaking specialist. Babcock has already shown that he'd prefer the center depth over filling an important winger role. He's shown he would do just the kind of move that would put Marner at center in times of need, if he saw Marner as one.

On a related note, man some of the posters in this thread must think that Tavares is the most unnecessary acquisition we've made considering how he's seemingly a product of Marner, to the degree that the effect stretch retroactively into the past by a decade.

This thread is funny. All it lacks is a happy ending.

The bolded is all anyone is saying.

 

[ACC1224]

Interesting perspective, so Marner lacks the size for the position? I'd agree with this to a degree, but small players like Brayden Point, Sebastian Aho, Jonathan Marchessault are all Marner's size or smaller. So size alone can't make an effective center-man... agreed?

Also Barzal.

 

[Nithoniniel]

The bolded is all anyone is saying.

It really hasn't been though. If you look through the thread, there are some that makes claims that go beyond just hypothesizing what Marner could do if we needed to transition him from the wing.

 

[MyBudJT]

That's it. Plenty of situations where we needed a highly talented center while we had options on wing, and Marner was still not used there. It's not been explored as an option at all. Marner could probably play center given his skill set, but right now he's a winger who might be able to transition.

The counter-argument seem to be that the coach won't do it because the Tavares line would fall apart completely without Marner on it. Of course. However that would be the same coach who had no qualms moving Nylander to center a non-factor line even though that meant nothing was done about a Matthews line that was falling apart, in desperate need of a transition and playmaking specialist. Babcock has already shown that he'd prefer the center depth over filling an important winger role. He's shown he would do just the kind of move that would put Marner at center in times of need, if he saw Marner as one.

On a related note, man some of the posters in this thread must think that Tavares is the most unnecessary acquisition we've made considering how he's seemingly a product of Marner, to the degree that the effect stretch retroactively into the past by a decade.

This thread is funny. All it lacks is a happy ending.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting Marner should play center on our team. It’s whether he’d be capable of doing it.

Where has anyone indicated that Tavares is a product of Marner? That is just silly! All I’ve seen people say is that Marner isn’t a product of Tavares. That’s completely different.

So... majority wingers don't make 10m let alone coming off their ELC.

The majority of wingers don’t score 94 points by their U22 season.

 

[MyBudJT]

It really hasn't been though. If you look through the thread, there are some that makes claims that go beyond just hypothesizing what Marner could do if we needed to transition him from the wing.

Really?

 

[diceman934]

You're name dropping Babcock to increase your credibility, but let's check in on some quick facts:

Game 6. Leafs up by 1. An injured Hyman takes the draw on the PK. This guy is so injured he needs multiple months of rehab right then and there.. Butchers the draw as he can't maintain balance. Boston gets a quick shot off and with the help of a deflection, scores. 1-1

Same game. Another powerplay for Boston. Babcock still thinks one legged Hyman is better than Marner at C on the PK. Boston goes up 2-1. Babcock's opinion still doesn't change. Hyman with one leg is better suited at C than Marner on the PK.

If Babcock was so high on Marner at center, it doesn't explain why he would let an injured Hyman take these key faceoffs. This is where a coach would turn to the guy he thinks has the ability to be an elite center. Especially in an elimination game.

Elimination game is worth more than some 2 second portion of a 3 minute clip in an interview Babcock probably doesn't even remember he did.

"He can play center" doesn't automatically mean Babcock thinks he can be an elite one. Do I think Marner can be an elite center? Yes. Do I have any evidence to prove why? No. Nothing besides my bias towards him as our MVP. I'm not going to go around telling others they don't understand hockey just because Marner can do no wrong in my eyes.


Unless of course I don't understand hockey to the point Hyman was actually playing goalie and I imagined everything I saw.

Lol name dropping. What a load of BS. The poster I replied to stated he would take the word of a pro so I posted a clip.

The rest of your post has nothing to do what I posted so either read up or leave me alone with your nonsense either way I am happy

 

[diceman934]

Really?

He is clearly wrong all that anyone has said is that he can. I posted that Babcock said he could last season as well.

 

[MyBudJT]

 

[MyBudJT]

 

[Walshy7]

View attachment 235459

now that is impressive. 11th in the last 20 years!

Also McDavid what a f***ing freak player, adding 8 points per year by the looks of it, look out for 124 points next season from him

edit: 12th for marner still amazing

 

[Pucker77]

If/when the Leafs sign Marner is have to be for either 3 or less years or 6 or more.

4 years walks him to his first eligible year as a UFA and 5 years means Matthews, Nylander, and Marner all expire the same year and we have to go through this fiasco all over again with the added caveat that any lingering negotiations can lead to any and/or all of them becoming UFA.

Give him 2-, 3-, 6-, 7-, and 8-year options with varying cap hits and let his camp decide.

 

[Notsince67]

Babs has said many times. He puts players together to win games. Taking Marner off of his line to play center kills his top line.

You can defer to who ever you want. Babs said it himself that he could play center. Any person who understands hockey knows that he can play center.

Anyone who watches know this. The smarmy commentary that goes contrary to this only makes fans of the ignorant.