Salary Cap: Marner Deal Discussion Part III

[Stephen]

What are you talking about?

I don't care all that much about overpaying Marner on account of his regular season production. The playoffs are a total war and it remains to be seen if he can produce like a Patrick Kane over four rounds.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Pretty cool that you are apparently a natural center now if you do well in a grand total of 11 faceoffs.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

Skinner and Mark Stone are UFA status players so their contracts are not direct comparables for RFA players of which Marner is.

The first 4 years of Marner deal are RFA and intended to be cost controllable by the organization by using the CBA as intended.

Ok, so Dubas takes him past July 1 and he gets offer sheeted. We lose.

Why? because other GM gives his players a big contract? Why do gms need to follow other team GM's decisions?
Theres skinner at 9 but also eichel at 10

GM's don't follow it, the players and their agents do.

 

[duffy9748]

Sure, they have cap space, but they have quite a few RFAs to sign. Ivan Provorov and Travis Sanheim on defensem, and both could get quite a bit of money. Scott Laughton, Ryan Hartman, and Travis Konecny up from, the last of whom should get a rather large contract. That doesn't count the UFA they just traded for - Kevin Hayes.

The Flyers have room for two significant contracts long term. That’s really factoring in Hayes as well. None of the RFA’s are a problem for them.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

GM's don't follow it, the players and their agents do.

Oh gee why didn’t agents just think of asking for more money before

 

[Dragao6]

Ok, so Dubas takes him past July 1 and he gets offer sheeted. We lose.

GM's don't follow it, the players and their agents do.

But for a contract to be agreed on gms have to also agree to terms
At this point I love marner but if his huge contract is gonna handcuff us I'll live with 4 1st rounders...and have room to improve our team.
I mean Tavares did well with ok linemates for lots of years

 

[Menzinger]

That’s what I’m trying to say though, what shift?

That teams are having to pay rfas (at least bluechip guys) more than in the past

 

[diceman934]

Because he's an RFA and has no choice unless an offer sheet comes. If he wants to play hard ball let him sit the year.
And just because the mistake was made with Matthews doesn't mean you have to do it twice.
Marner needs to be locked up for 8.

He will not sign a 8 year deal unless it is for big money. He has lots of choices.

No GM in their right mind allows a player like Marner to sit out a Year. He will sign for 6 years Max and if it is 6 years he will be our highest paid player. I say he signs for 5 years at 10.5

 

[diceman934]

I don't care all that much about overpaying Marner on account of his regular season production. The playoffs are a total war and it remains to be seen if he can produce like a Patrick Kane over four rounds.

Well he has more playoff points in the 3 years then anyone on our team.

 

[diceman934]

But for a contract to be agreed on gms have to also agree to terms
At this point I love marner but if his huge contract is gonna handcuff us I'll live with 4 1st rounders...and have room to improve our team.
I mean Tavares did well with ok linemates for lots of years

You trade other players before Marner. Marner has been our best player for a year and a half. I can not live with mid 20 picks for Marner at all.

 

[Joey Hoser]

But for a contract to be agreed on gms have to also agree to terms
At this point I love marner but if his huge contract is gonna handcuff us I'll live with 4 1st rounders...and have room to improve our team.
I mean Tavares did well with ok linemates for lots of years

Four unknown first rounders could yield nothing at all. Glad you aren't in charge of the team.

 

[diceman934]

Pretty cool that you are apparently a natural center now if you do well in a grand total of 11 faceoffs.

Pretty cool that you know nothing at all. He played center all of his life.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Pretty cool that you know nothing at all. He played center all of his life.

He hasn't played center since at least '13-'14, and I don't know if it goes back further.

I don't think ages 3-10 really count for much, either.

 

[LeafSteel]

He hasn't played center since at least '13-'14, and I don't know if it goes back further.

Aw c’mon!!!!

Everyone KNOWS playing Centre in PeeWee and Minor Bantam is EXACTLY like playing Centre in the NHL!!!!

Give y’er head a shake there, Bucko!!!!!

 

[diceman934]

He hasn't played center since at least '13-'14, and I don't know if it goes back further.

I don't think ages 3-10 really count for much, either.

Lol he played Center in his last year of Jr for half a season

 

[Buds17]

But for a contract to be agreed on gms have to also agree to terms
At this point I love marner but if his huge contract is gonna handcuff us I'll live with 4 1st rounders...and have room to improve our team.
I mean Tavares did well with ok linemates for lots of years

I wouldn't doubt Tavares remaining a productive player with other linemates. The problem would be regarding the team as a whole considering Marner has led in points and forward ice time.

Up to four first rounders as a return is a matter of drafting and possibly development (and waiting) depending on where the picks end up in the draft. If the intention is to parlay any of that return into immediate help, that will then still cost against the cap.

Would be tricky to let things get to the offer sheet stage. A trade prior to that is likely a better option if the - IMO - best option of re-signing him doesn't look like it can happen.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Lol he played Center in his last year of Jr for half a season

That was like 8 games IIRC, and they moved him back with Dvorak and Tchakuck.

 

[Dragao6]

You trade other players before Marner. Marner has been our best player for a year and a half. I can not live with mid 20 picks for Marner at all.

It's not mid 20 picks we would be getting...plus I'm sure we can get a top defender or two with some of these picks

 

[diceman934]

That was like 8 games IIRC, and they moved him back with Dvorak and Tchakuck.

You posted your opinion and it was wrong. He played center for a lot more then 8 games.

The statement of him being a natural center is that he has played like the center on his line in Jr as well as in the NHL as he is the one who is the play maker as well as the player who provides down low coverage in our zone more often then not.

 

[Dragao6]

Four unknown first rounders could yield nothing at all. Glad you aren't in charge of the team.

Yup were making it far with this group and the little room we have to upgrade
And I was one fo the few to stay on 6x6 or sit the year with nylander just for you to get an even more sense of my thoughts. Which is what started this entire rodeo

 

[Mr Hockey]

Dubas will never take 4 mid to late first for Mitch, cmon now lol, Mitch is going to be even better next season and a superstar for the next 10 years, you guys want 2 goats and 2 rychels for him? lol

 

[diceman934]

It's not mid 20 picks we would be getting...plus I'm sure we can get a top defender or two with some of these picks

Now you have a crystal ball.

Any team offer sheeting him would be a good team. So getting lottery picks would be highly unlikely. As well as you trade other players long before you trade your best player. Marner would not sign an offer sheet unless it was for a contender and only after the Leafs refuse to pay him at his value. His value as a Leaf is been established by the contracts we have signed. JT and Mathews. He is better then both.

 

[Menzinger]

Worth noting that theres absolutely zero guarantee that any team that offersheets Marner would have late first round selections. McDavid alone couldn't keep the Oilers out of the bottom 10, and four years is a long time for any team - anything can happen.

Not that I'd necessarily advocate letting him leave on an offersheet though.

 

[diceman934]

Please tell me why a bottom feeder would sign an offer sheet to a star player paying him 11 million or so a year?

A little critical thinking goes a long way. Flyers or Avalanche and Panthers would be the most Likely to add high value contracts. The other thing most who say I will take 4 first rounders do not consider is the UFA available at no cost.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Worth noting that theres absolutely zero guarantee that any team that offersheets Marner would have late first round selections. McDavid alone couldn't keep the Oilers out of the bottom 10, and four years is a long time for any team - anything can happen.

Not that I'd necessarily advocate letting him leave on an offersheet though.

I'm not sure about the likelihood of an offer sheet, but a team who is willing to drop 4 1st round picks on a player is likely a team on the cusp of a playoff spot at the very least. It ain't going to be a team like my Senators.

But you're right, anything can happen over four years. Certainly possible a team drops out of a playoff spot once or twice.