Do you honestly question whether or not Matthews is capable of an 80 point season?
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Do you honestly question whether or not Matthews is capable of an 80 point season?
everyone knows he could do it, the question is can he stay healthy enough to do it.
If he has some specific persistent issue for which doctors say is likely to habitually reoccur, to the point where you genuinely don't know if he can play a full season, then perhaps you can get some savings off of this question, but if that's not the case and you're just predicting more random injuries, then that's not going to hold any water.
Doesn't seem to be any reason to believe he won't play 82 next season.
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mr grieves
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It's astonishing to think that anyone would honestly question whether Matthews is the best goal-scorer of his generation, best we've seen since Ovechkin. But he got injured a couple times so I guess he's not, or something.
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Which the current management team was unable top accomplish.
Meanwhile the previous regime signed several key pieces to team friendly deals.
It's one thing to talk about making good deals its another to actually do it. The current group is very good at talking, horrible at doing.
And not only have they not signed team friendly contracts that have also signed deals that reset the marketplace. It's like a double whammy.
Bomber0104
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Only a 100 point season he says..
What did Matthews do again? 69 regular season points?
Sorry bud. Matthews doesn't need you making any excuses or lame spins on his behalf to overrate him. He performed very well on his own without needing to compare him to a better athlete.
We will revisit surely. And just like in the McDavid / Matthews thread where literally the same mental gymnastics were being performed by people like you, the phantom numbers won't hold up.
Sounds like your car fell apart on you. A little like Matthews.
So yes, while Matthews measured marginally higher in ceratin point production numbers.... he did this over 60 some odd games while Geno stayed healthy and played full 82 game seasons and maintained his production to turn in a 100+ point seasons, just like McDavid...
Oh and back to your little analogy, last I checked car races are won by who crossed the finished line first, not who was a little faster in laps 1 through 60.
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It's funny I never see the "Well scoring is way up" argument in certain threads, but pounded in others....
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What? Those examples I gave you of the cup winning teams only Ovechkin was the clear highest paid player on his team as a winger and he was a consistent 50 goal scorer who scored 65 goals one season, which just proved my point about goal scoring wingers are the only wingers who get paid as much as top line centers which is why I said Marner didn't deserve as much as Matthews because Matthews has been a consistent 35+ goal scorer and a top line C, while Marner has been a consistent 20 goal scorer with a career high 26. Not saying he won't be a 30+ scorer ever because he got close this past season but the fact is he hasn't yet so maybe he can ask for closer to Matthews money on his next deal.
I'm not gonna say Dubas messed up during contract negotiations because Matthews got fair value for his production cap % wise and term has been what every other cup teams gave their star players after their ELC so idk why people mad about that. People are mad over 250k because they say Nylander is 250k overpaid but who cares. We wouldn't be having these discussions if we didn't sign Tavares because everyone would be signed already but I'll take 2 elite centers any day. I just think he has to play hardball with Marner now, he wanted to wait till after the season is over and be the last of the 3 to sign an extension so that's his and his agents problem. Wants to threat signing an Offer Sheet then let him. Take those picks and maybe use the picks in a trade for another elite top pairing d man. At the end of the day the players deserve what they earned but the team has to look out for itself and can't give every player everything they want. Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and Rielly gotta understand what the salary cap does to a team with so many good players. They either wanna win or they want a huge pay. I hope this is just where they take a huge pay over the next 5 years then when they sign their 8 year deal after those contracts expire they take pay cuts to keep the team intact and we don't have to have 80% of our team on rookie deals.
I didn't think I typed this much. Damn.
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would you take a 100 point 50 goal scoring center making 8.5 for a 94 point 26 goal scoring winger?
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I'd tackle Holland and kiss him if he was willing to do that deal, hell yeah I'd make that trade
He's talking about Draisaitl, would you trade Marner for him straight up
Draisaitl. I honestly don’t think I would trade marner for drai, only because I think matthews is better than drai and moving marner for him would mean drai becomes 3c instead of us having an elite winger
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Actually, Draisaitl is more the center than McDavid is.
And if the Leafs are looking at Tavares-Marner for 22 million a year, I'd take Draisaitl - Tavares for 19.8, and know I've got 2 players who can score.
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As a fan no but it isnt a ridiculous idea if the deal came up. Drai is a good player who has shown he is elite. There is a possibility though that Marner is far from peaking. I can see both positions.
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Draisaitl is a great player on a great deal. His numbers have him being a better player than 34,91,16 etc. Do you buy he can have that much impact playing 18-19 mins a night with no Mcdavid(but still elite players). I dont think he is a 105 point player on the leafs. I would rather have marner at 9.5 than Draisaitl at 8.5 in the leafs. Any thing above that I'd take Drai. I dont think he will be this good moving forward. 85 points seems more realistic as the Oilers add depth and he is playing lesser minutes in closer games
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Being unable to accomplish something doesn't always convey negligence or malice though. Saying Dubas declines a certain offer and therefore de facto bets against the asset he lured the club's biggest free agent signing with still doesn't hang together.
I recall Dubas against pressure occasioning the possibility of one thing or another saying "We can and we will...". Not offered as a boast in the vein of Brian Burke but a reassuring statement to get ahead of the media frenzy we all knew had the chance of providing a real obstacle to the success of the club they cover. And it has proven exactly that...
...the Marketplace: I think McDavid and Eichel did that in recent memory, don't you? The model that advances the second and third standard contract values into the first? That's not Dubas' doing. And to repeat, when Shanahan attempted to message through the media, the need for a bit of modesty in negotiations, it was obviously to couch patience, common sense with what it takes to win to the Big Three.
I'll confess this much...This past season of contract signings has saddened me in that all of this good fortune has been measured and remeasured by pure greed. They're always going to be millionaires, which is Shanahan's point. And certainly mine in defense of Dubas.
These players were always going to be millionaires. Dubas is on the side that was saying that. And if you're faced with opposition that effectively says, I don't care, pay me what I'm worth. How is there a point of contention or confusion as to which side might have complicated a once brightly lit path?
They were always going to be millionaires. Management's argument is: Be a millionaire with a Stanley Cup ring.
And of course I'm talking about Boston and St.Louis' management team alone, right?
Come on, The Cynick. It ain't management.
I love Marner but Jesus I'd do that trade in a heartbeat, in fact there aren't many guys on our roster I wouldn't trade for him
I'm not even sure I wouldn't trade Matthews for him if I'm being honest
He's an absolute beast of a player, i remember the last playoff run Edmonton went on and my god he was domant, physically he's something else
I think he would be a 85-90 point player here and with that cap hit his value to the team would be through the roof, Unless Marner is taking something under 8.5M I'd go Draisaitl
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Gotta say at one point I was deathly nervous of losing Marner but after reading these past few posts I'd welcome the change if talks go south ... Never even did I even consider Leon in my wildest dreams but there could be something there ... I really hope we do sign Marner for 8.5 or less but this off season is shaping up to get really interesting really fast !
Eric Bungay
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Wow Skinner just got 9 mill wonder what that will do for Marner ???? bye bye 8.5 dream....oh my !!!!
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Either very foolish of Buffalo or very shrewd if the plan is to drive Tampa/Toronto/Winnipeg/etc. RFAs into outer space salaries.
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I'd say both but I think that was the only way to keep Skinner there !! I'm shocked he got so much but let's see if that dont come back and bite them !! Going to be interesting to see who gets done first of the 3 teams u just mentioned ... hope it's T.O !
Cunning plan and they would of got away with it too if it wasn’t for that meddling Jeff skinner.
Overpay of the year so far but skinner did take figure skating lessons when he was a kid or so every commentator, every time the leafs play a skinner team says
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