Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion XX - The Dog Days of August V3

[ACC1224]

Dreger reported it and Zurich confirmed it. Yeah it was just to train but what's the point of going over there just to train with a team?

Players train so they will be ready for the season.
Nylander did the same thing last season.

 

[LaPlante94]

Players train so they will be ready for the season.
Nylander did the same thing last season.

Flying all the way to Switzerland just to train though? Can do that over here

 

[ACC1224]

Flying all the way to Switzerland just to train though? Can do that over here

Where can he train at the pro level here?

 

[Nineteen67]

Me too. I couldn't care less about Arizona and Vegas. They both could lose their teams tomorrow, and I wouldn't even bat an eyelash.

I’d like to see more teams in better cities and get rid of the places like Edmonton Calgary Winnipeg Ottawa.

 

[ZEBROA]

Yep but its actually a common thing amongst many older people.

They have lived their entire life a certain way so when something New/Different comes along, they usually dont like it.

Him being extremely young and also being heavy into analytics drives some people nuts.

His vision and ideas of how a team should be built/play go against the views of many long time hockey watchers and it triggers them.

Im 44, probably old for some, but i would never count anyone out because of age. People are stupid an wise in all ages. Excitet for the future.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Compare Marner's game to any first line players in the game and see how that washes out.

All he does is kill penalties, runs the powerplay from the right side, back checks full out, blocks shots, elite skater, elite hockey IQ, elite skills. Leads the team in scoring 2 years running. Quality player, Quality person, highly competitive, elite Work ethic, Top 5 right winger in scoring. Durable for his size. Possession beast, positive analytics beast. Captain Material, complete player

He's put up 94 points last year and is not yet fully developed physically. Every year he has improved. One of the great players to watch and very dynamic. Very unpredictable and almost impossible to defend.

I'll just say this again! Thanks Hunter!

Hunter deserves credit, but it was a no brainer to select him after Strome went to Arizona, but again, Hunter does deserve some credit.

 

[LaPlante94]

Where can he train at the pro level here?

It's the swiss league. It's not like he's going to some top league or anything. He can literally train at universities here in Canada and a lot of the players would be in the same tier as those guys. Hell, I'm sure he'd even be able to go back and train with the London Knights if he wanted to.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I’d like to see more teams in better cities and get rid of the places like Edmonton Calgary Winnipeg Ottawa.

Seriously! They have great fans in everyone of those places. You are joking i think, i hope )

 

[ULF_55]

I’d like to see more teams in better cities and get rid of the places like Edmonton Calgary Winnipeg Ottawa.

LOL

Let people watch Peter Puck and they think they know hockey.

 

[ACC1224]

It's the swiss league. It's not like he's going to some top league or anything. He can literally train at universities here in Canada and a lot of the players would be in the same tier as those guys. Hell, I'm sure he'd even be able to go back and train with the London Knights if he wanted to.

You're right there can't be any simple explanation for this.
Looks like you've uncovered another dastardly Ferris plot.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Hunter deserves credit, but it was a no brainer to select him after Strome went to Arizona, but again, Hunter does deserve some credit.

If it was my decision to have to trade Matthews or Marner in three years, i would move matthews.

Tavares on board is a reason you could. The percieved value of Matthews is greater, so greater trade value for Matthews. That trade value would be astronomical. Willy could slip in to the second center slot.

I think maybe there is some merit to viewing Marner as our most important player without assuming others aren't important in the team building context.

He is equally important minimum as any of our main cogs i believe. Thats worth some significant money innthis contract. We can't ignore that he is deserving just as much as our top players.

In fairness his value has to be viewed fairly even if you don't like the cap ramifications.

Not likely a common viewpoint that i have on who i would keep between mitch and Matthew but .......

 

[Nithoniniel]

It's the swiss league. It's not like he's going to some top league or anything. He can literally train at universities here in Canada and a lot of the players would be in the same tier as those guys. Hell, I'm sure he'd even be able to go back and train with the London Knights if he wanted to.

Yeah, that's just ignorant. The imports in the top professional leagues in Europe consists of guys that have gone through junior, developed a few more years before reaching their peak just so they can win a spot in those leagues.

 

[18leafsfan18]

If it was my decision to have to trade Matthews or Marner in three years, i would move matthews.

Tavares on board is a reason you could. The percieved value of Matthews is greater, so greater trade value for Matthews. That trade value would be astronomical. Willy could slip in to the second center slot.

I think maybe there is some merit to viewing Marner as our most important player without assuming others aren't important in the team building context.

He is equally important minimum as any of our main cogs i believe. Thats worth some significant money innthis contract. We can't ignore that he is deserving just as much as our top players.

In fairness his value has to be viewed fairly even if you don't like the cap ramifications.

Not likely a common viewpoint that i have on who i would keep between mitch and Matthew but .......

I completely disagree. Matthews is a much more important player.

But that is just a difference of opinion, and that's okay.

 

[egd27]

I meant where did the poster get the idea that he would actually sign to go play over there and not just train.

Lack of reading comprehension? Not an unusual occurrence.

 

[ULF_55]

If it was my decision to have to trade Matthews or Marner in three years, i would move matthews.

Tavares on board is a reason you could. The percieved value of Matthews is greater, so greater trade value for Matthews. That trade value would be astronomical. Willy could slip in to the second center slot.

I think maybe there is some merit to viewing Marner as our most important player without assuming others aren't important in the team building context.

He is equally important minimum as any of our main cogs i believe. Thats worth some significant money innthis contract. We can't ignore that he is deserving just as much as our top players.

In fairness his value has to be viewed fairly even if you don't like the cap ramifications.

Not likely a common viewpoint that i have on who i would keep between mitch and Matthew but .......

I've thought about that as well

Tavares
Nylander
Kerfoot

That's why you don't trade Nylander

 

[weems]

If it was my decision to have to trade Matthews or Marner in three years, i would move matthews.

Tavares on board is a reason you could. The percieved value of Matthews is greater, so greater trade value for Matthews. That trade value would be astronomical. Willy could slip in to the second center slot.

I think maybe there is some merit to viewing Marner as our most important player without assuming others aren't important in the team building context.

He is equally important minimum as any of our main cogs i believe. Thats worth some significant money innthis contract. We can't ignore that he is deserving just as much as our top players.

In fairness his value has to be viewed fairly even if you don't like the cap ramifications.

Not likely a common viewpoint that i have on who i would keep between mitch and Matthew but .......

In 3 years time Tavares is going to be coming off his 31 year old season and his elite prime years will be most likely behind him. Anything is possible but at this age players decline fairly frequently and I dont think in years 5/6/7 we should be expecting the same performance he gave us in the first 4.

The speed of the game and the skill infusion it gets every season will prolly push the average age of the NHL down.

Matthews in 3 years will only be coming off his 24 year old season and actually just entering his most dominant age curve years.

Trading Matthews because we have Tavares doesnt sound very optimal as at that point the two players will most likely be going in opposite directions.

 

[Walshy7]

Where can he train at the pro level here?

not sure the Austrian league would be much more professional than an OHL team, surely London wouldn't have a problem with him training there?

note: no offence to the Austrian league i'm sure they do very well with the recourses at their disposal

 

[LaPlante94]

Yeah, that's just ignorant. The imports in the top professional leagues in Europe consists of guys that have gone through junior, developed a few more years before reaching their peak just so they can win a spot in those leagues.

No disrespect to the league but be real here. The league is full of players who were barely 4th liners at the peak of their NHL careers and career AHL guys who switched leagues. A lot of players who play their years at canadian universities go and play in those kinds of leagues. They're great leagues in their own right but what is training with a swiss league team gonna do for him when he can just train over here?

 

[Sypher04]

Only cost money for Panarin, so he could shop himself everywhere without encumbrance.

RFA's cost money and picks, not the same.

I'm definitely not suggesting it's the exact same, but most of Kucherov's new contract is UFA years, AND Kucherov is a FAR better player than Panarin, so it's entirely fair to say he left a considerable amount of money on the table when Panarin finds himself paid over 2 million more per season on his new deal.

 

[ACC1224]

not sure the Austrian league would be much more professional than an OHL team, surely London wouldn't have a problem with him training there?

note: no offence to the Austrian league i'm sure they do very well with the recourses at their disposal

It's the Swiss league.

 

[Bomber0104]

No disrespect to the league but be real here. The league is full of players who were barely 4th liners at the peak of their NHL careers and career AHL guys who switched leagues. A lot of players who play their years at canadian universities go and play in those kinds of leagues. They're great leagues in their own right but what is training with a swiss league team gonna do for him when he can just train over here?

Matthews played a full year for Zurich in his draft year, and he turned out pretty good.

 

[LaPlante94]

Matthews played a full year for Zurich in his draft year, and he turned out pretty good.

Completely different circumstances. Matthews was gonna play for free before getting drafted or go over there and make around 400k before getting drafted. Seems like an easy choice.

 

[Nithoniniel]

No disrespect to the league but be real here. The league is full of players who were barely 4th liners at the peak of their NHL careers and career AHL guys who switched leagues. A lot of players who play their years at canadian universities go and play in those kinds of leagues. They're great leagues in their own right but what is training with a swiss league team gonna do for him when he can just train over here?

How many players from Canadian universities become 4th liners in the NHL or career AHLers? And that's at their peak, not how good they are now while still in University. The two are not comparable at all.

Marner trains over there because he can't train here with any team of sufficient standings due to contractual reasons.

 

[RoyalCitySlicker]

Going to Switzerland checks all the boxes for Marner:

1) Training with a team at a high level in an organization trusted by some of your best friends.

2) Avoiding (much of the) media clown show that would ensue should he train with a CDN Uni or the London Knights

3) It's frigging beautiful there.

It's really not as complicated of a decision as some around here would like to believe.

 

[LaPlante94]

How many players from Canadian universities become 4th liners in the NHL or career AHLers? And that's at their peak, not how good they are now while still in University. The two are not comparable at all.

Marner trains over there because he can't train here with any team of sufficient standings due to contractual reasons.

That's all that had to be said.