Salary Cap: Marner contract discussion XVIII (continued)

[ACC1224]

Nothing matters when it comes to Marner fans. The team be dammed! Marner fans don't care what other teams are willing to pay, only that Marner deserves what Matthews got. Doesn't matter that no team will give him what Matthews can demand! Give me what Matthews got or I will sit out forever. If the leaf management was smart they would let him do just that, but like Nylander, they will give him whatever he wants...

It's always especially funny when people get outraged about a made up scenario.

 

[ajp4to]

Nope or they would have signed him already.

The key is already, let's see when the season starts. There is a precedent here. Am I mistaken, or did they give Nylander an outrageous contract outside of any other comparable contacts?

 

[ShaneFalco]

The key is already, let's see when the season starts. There is a precedent here. Am I mistaken, or did they give Nylander an outrageous contract outside of any other comparable contacts?

I don't think Nylander's conttract is outrageous at all - and you could look at comparables there. marner's camp doesn't care about comparables

 

[ajp4to]

I don't think Nylander's conttract is outrageous at all - and you could look at comparables there. marner's camp doesn't care about comparables

Yes because a 60 point guy with 21 goals deserves to be paid more than guys like a Gaudreau, Monahan, Mckinnon, Lankskoy, Marchment, Pastrank, Krejci, Schiefele etc, etc, etc,...

 

[Martin Skoula]

Yes because a 60 point guy with 21 goals deserves to be paid like a Gaudreau, Monahan, Mckinnon, Lankskoy, Marchment, Shiefele etc, etc, etc,...

McDavid is an awful contract based on that logic.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I haven't checked these threads in a while, is there any news?

 

[ajp4to]

McDavid is an awful contract based on that logic.

And yet Marner wants his money, or Mr. loyal Maple leaf will sit out, even though no one else will give him what he wants! Fortunately for him, there is one team that will give him what he wants and is counting on leafs stupidity to give it to him...

 

[Plub]

Just re-watched Tavares' "all goals" video from last season. Holy bejesus Marner made some awesome dishes on a lot of those 47.
Probably deserves around 9-10 per year on an 8. Might need to do a pricey bridge to keep him. It would be a shame if he sat out a huge year from everyone elses contracts as well.

Absolutely no way he signs for $10mill/8years. But that 9-10 range is definitely what he's worth.

 

[Plub]

I know it will never happen, but I genuinely think this should be resolved by Shanahan firing Dubas. Then Dubas' horrible mistakes can't be held as leverage over the new gm.

You're right that Dubas has no choice but to dramatically overpay Marner as well. He already set the precedent with Nylander and Matthews.

But based on the precedent set by Dubas... won't Barry and Muzzin demand FAR above market value as well? Then Rielly the season after? Then everybody else?

How does one change the culture of unprecedented dramatic overpayments if not by getting fired/resigning?

He didn't "dramatically" overpay for Matthews. What did you think Matthews was going to sign for?

 

[ShaneFalco]

He didn't "dramatically" overpay for Matthews. What did you think Matthews was going to sign for?

Dude don't get him started. If you search "dramtically overpaid" by said poster, you'll see it listed over 1000 times

 

[Cor]

He didn't "dramatically" overpay for Matthews. What did you think Matthews was going to sign for?

Uh oh. You just had to ask

 

[ajp4to]

He didn't "dramatically" overpay for Matthews. What did you think Matthews was going to sign for?

Matthews is the only player other then Mcdavid that a team would give up the cap space of 10.5m+ and four-first rounders for. The only thing that Dubas has done right is the signing of Matthews, or he would be matching an offer sheet of 14m+ today.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

He didn't "dramatically" overpay for Matthews. What did you think Matthews was going to sign for?

What other career high 70 point players sign for.

And before you say it, I don’t consider it a sane argument to say “but Matthews should be paid more money because he gets hurt all of the time”.

 

[Plub]

Dude don't get him started. If you search "dramtically overpaid" by said poster, you'll see it listed over 1000 times

My bad guys. I didn't mean to!

 

[ToDavid]

Yes because a 60 point guy with 21 goals deserves to be paid more than guys like a Gaudreau, Monahan, Mckinnon, Lankskoy, Marchment, Pastrank, Krejci, Schiefele etc, etc, etc,...

So many players being paid more that Gretzky these days. It’s downright shameful!!!

 

[ToDavid]

What other career high 70 point players sign for.

And before you say it, I don’t consider it a sane argument to say “but Matthews should be paid more money because he gets hurt all of the time”.

Literally no one is suggesting Matthews should be paid more because he’s been injured. The argument is that he shouldn’t be paid less because of it.

 

[X66]

What other career high 70 point players sign for.

And before you say it, I don’t consider it a sane argument to say “but Matthews should be paid more money because he gets hurt all of the time”.

If you continue to be disingenuous, I recommend mods ban you from this topic, you're just wasting everyone's time.

Since the year 2000, this is the list of players that had a higher points per game average than Matthews after their first 3 years.

Crosby
Ovechkin
McDavid
Malkin
Backstrom

That's it, and Ovechkin, Malkin and Backstrom were all older than him, none of them played in the NHL as teenagers (two of them because of the lookout).

So, what i'm telling you is that Matthews has been incredible.

 

[IPS]

If you continue to be disingenuous, I recommend mods ban you from this topic, you're just wasting everyone's time.

Since the year 2000, this is the list of players that had a higher points per game average than Matthews after their first 3 years.

Crosby
Ovechkin
McDavid
Malkin
Backstrom

That's it, and Ovechkin, Malkin and Backstrom were all older than him, none of them played in the NHL as teenagers (two of them because of the lookout).

So, what i'm telling you is that Matthews has been incredible.

Throw goals in the equation, and the list becomes very short.

I really hope we can see this kid's potential maximized. Because the usage he's gotten has done nothing to help that.

 

[ToneDog]

I haven't checked these threads in a while, is there any news?

A friend was involved in Mitch's charity event last week. Said that JT was awesome with the kids while an ex-Leaf did not have time to sign a kid's cast.

Other than that for me it has been crickets

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

What other career high 70 point players sign for.

And before you say it, I don’t consider it a sane argument to say “but Matthews should be paid more money because he gets hurt all of the time”.

Great, offer him a low ball contract. Then lose him after he signs an offer sheet from a GM who isn't stupid

 

[Craig Button]

Yes because a 60 point guy with 21 goals deserves to be paid more than guys like a Gaudreau, Monahan, Mckinnon, Lankskoy, Marchment, Pastrank, Krejci, Schiefele etc, etc, etc,...

When were their contracts signed?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Literally no one is suggesting Matthews should be paid more because he’s been injured. The argument is that he shouldn’t be paid less because of it.

Agreed. He shouldn’t be paid more or less than a career high 74 point player.

 

[ajp4to]

When were their contracts signed?

NOT SURE why that matters? Those contracts were signed before Nylander. Why wouldn't those players payments be a gage to what Nylander is worth?

 

[Craig Button]

What other career high 70 point players sign for.

And before you say it, I don’t consider it a sane argument to say “but Matthews should be paid more money because he gets hurt all of the time”.

 

[Craig Button]

NOT SURE why that matters? Those contracts were signed before Nylander. Why wouldn't those players payments be a gage to what Nylander is worth?