Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - Training camp looms

[ACC1224]

I am actually starting to believe that he will never suit up for the Leafs again. He'll be playing elsewhere this season.

Possible, that would be a shame.
I still don't believe it will come to that.

 

[kb]

I think Dubas should work hard on signing him until the Dec 1dt deadline set a max limit on a 7/8 year deal and don't negotiate another offer with him after that. If he isnt willing to go for deal like what's reportedly being offered by Dec 1st, consider him a write off. Let him sit the year and trade him next year. Until he shows he is willing to miss the entire year of hockey to chase money we should try and sign him, if the LTIR lowers what we can pay marner than marner better expect some lower than anticipated offers which are his fault. Give him till Dec 1st.

He can't for the reasons I posted. In Dec, the max contract he could get would be well below what is being rumoured today. Cap space usually accumulates as the season ticks away, but it is the exact opposite with LTIR room. It decreases. By then it will be 50 days into the season, so the LTIR room available will be down to about 7.5 million. Now if they sign Marner, his first year cap hit has to be higher than the out years. This is the issue. If he waits until Dec first, the highest contract the Leafs can sign him to is between $5-7 million per because of the ramifications of the cap hit in the first season.

 

[Walshy7]

Well if Zigomanis says it, it must be true

Funny these washed up has-beens come out of the wood-work to tell us what to think

also a washed up has been trying to make his name in the industry, who would have thought he'd come out with a hot take?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Bye bye

 

[Fogelhund]

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
These numbers help to illustrate why it is so difficult to see a path to a Mitch Marner contract settlement any time soon.
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Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
· 2h
The Leafs have been persistent in pushing both a 7 yr and 8 yr extension at Marner. The $11 mil per offer was made in June and included the $1.6 mil in B bonuses Toronto wouldn’t pay Marner in his entry level contract. 3 yr ext remains the focus.


Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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6m
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@TSNBobMcKenzie
TOR has made seven and eight year offers in the $11M AAV universe but because it’s a lower AAV and longer term than Auston Matthews, it hasn’t been palatable to Marner.

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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2m
The logical solution would be a three-year bridge but because Marner wants an AAV in the $9M to $10M universe and the third year (base for QO) would be substantially higher, TOR has no incentive to do the bridge at those numbers. Hard to see the way to a settlement...

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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1m
Replying to
@TSNBobMcKenzie
...unless one side or the other makes a seismic shift.

 

[ACC1224]

Just curious... what would the add need to be, for us to make a Marner for Seth Jones trade?

Matthews

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Mkenzie now confirming they turned down $11m x 7. Yep they are delusion its safe to take it to the bank now

they turned it down because "Its lower AAV and longer term than Matthews". Petty petty people these marners

Link?

If this is true he has to be traded (if we can even get good value with outlandish demands like that).

You cant have players turning down big overpayments like that, especially if it is ego related.

I'm extremely worried that Dubas wants the keep the band together so much he is going to sign a horrible overpayment, something like 11x5 or some madness

 

[Throw More Waffles]

You hit the nail on the head. Dreger floats outrageous numbers, and when Marner signs for less (but still ridiculously overpaid), it makes Mitch look like a good guy for 'settling'. Plus it sets up the next contract negotiation where he can whine about being disrespected in these negotiations and being strong-armed into a lesser contract. The next victim scenario is perfectly set up.

Or not.

That’s precisely what happened with matthews. Everyone had him at somewhere around 11x8. Then a week or two before he signed, “rumours” began by “insiders” saying Matthews will make $13 million at a 5 year term.

Everyone lost their collective minds.

Then a week or two later, after flat out hysteria by leafs fans, he signs for 11.6x5. A contract like that two weeks prior would be considered laughably bad. But now everyone was saying “Well... could have been 13... I can live with it.”

Our expectations were VERY carefully calculated. They know exactly how to play us. And it’s happening all over again with Marner.

 

[Walshy7]

Link?

If this is true he has to be traded (if we can even get good value with outlandish demands like that).

You cant have players turning down big overpayments like that, especially if it is ego related.

I'm extremely worried that Dubas wants the keep the band together so much he is going to sign a horrible overpayment, something like 11x5 or some madness

couple posts above this, another poster has posted the tweets

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
These numbers help to illustrate why it is so difficult to see a path to a Mitch Marner contract settlement any time soon.
Quote Tweet

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
· 2h
The Leafs have been persistent in pushing both a 7 yr and 8 yr extension at Marner. The $11 mil per offer was made in June and included the $1.6 mil in B bonuses Toronto wouldn’t pay Marner in his entry level contract. 3 yr ext remains the focus.


Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
·
6m
Replying to
@TSNBobMcKenzie
TOR has made seven and eight year offers in the $11M AAV universe but because it’s a lower AAV and longer term than Auston Matthews, it hasn’t been palatable to Marner.

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
·
2m
The logical solution would be a three-year bridge but because Marner wants an AAV in the $9M to $10M universe and the third year (base for QO) would be substantially higher, TOR has no incentive to do the bridge at those numbers. Hard to see the way to a settlement...

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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1m
Replying to
@TSNBobMcKenzie
...unless one side or the other makes a seismic shift.

Yikes.....

I cant believe Marner may not be a leaf next season. What a terrible terrible joke of a situation.

 

[Stephen]

No you get one of those guys and 3 more 1st rounders. or 4 1st rounders. no need to get wacked here. only doing it to yourself.

Oh by all means if you can get that, do it.

The reality is Mitch has a high regular season point total which is pegged to a higher dollar value but the reality is he plays a flashy wing game that gets suffocated in big boy situations. Could see McAvoy or Werenski actually rounding out the team better long term on impact and AAV dollar.

 

[KobeBean143]

Highest paid winger isn't enough for the guy..
Hometown kid my ass
f*** him
Peace bro

 

[ShaneFalco]

Bye bye

It's beyond silly at this point

 

[kb]

The scenario doesn't work in this league. It doesn't work that way.

You're right a signed Marner has more value. But you don't sign him to trade him. Otherwise you keep your signed 90 point player who plays with your 45+ goal center.

This is so correct. You can only sign him if you have the cap room. So why trade him if you get him signed and it fits under the cap?

 

[Dekes For Days]

But it seems like Marner’s camp want close to an 11M AAV on 3 year deal soooooooo

His ask was speculated to be 3 x 10m months ago, and nothing different has been reported, so no, he doesn't want 11m on a 3 year deal.

Everyone needs to calm down.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Oh by all means if you can get that, do it.

The reality is Mitch has a high regular season point total which is pegged to a higher dollar value but the reality is he plays a flashy wing game that gets suffocated in big boy situations. Could see McAvoy or Werenski actually rounding out the team better long term on impact and AAV dollar.

This is so true

 

[WTFMAN99]

100% would be shopping him right now.

 

[kb]

What if the amount you sign Marner for is unmanageable with your own salary cap situation?

Some teams with more cap space can afford to pay more, and use a higher C.H.%.

Leafs already have 2 players making $11 mil or more, and no team has that, and most don't even have 1. So Leafs having 3 players seems like an unmanageable cap situation.

If Marner got an OS for more than Leafs are willing to pay him and they match it and then trade him away in a year from now (when allowed per CBA) then the end result is essentially the same. So all we're talking is timing here.

You can't sign him unless it fits under the cap.

 

[Cor]

His ask was speculated to be 3 x 10m months ago, and nothing different has been reported, so no, he doesn't want 11m on a 3 year deal.

Everyone needs to calm down.

It's been reported they want a 15M QO, which means a 15M salary in year 3.

In order to do that legally, the 3 year contract AAV would be at least 10.75M AAV.

 

[Stigma]

Sit his ass for the year. Give Bracco a shot.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

His ask was speculated to be 3 x 10m months ago, and nothing different has been reported, so no, he doesn't want 11m on a 3 year deal.

Everyone needs to calm down.

Turning down a 11 x 7 as confirmed by Bobby Mac is reason to be worried...

It means if Marner is going to be a leaf next year he will be getting significantly overpaid. I think this may end up at 11 x 5 which is an absolute f***ing joke and honestly a borderline fireable offense for Dubas as it buys 1 UFA year.

 

[Cor]

100% would be shopping him right now.

Yup.

Find a trade package. Tell them it's 11x7/8 or we are trading you to ________

 

[Walshy7]

It's been reported they want a 15M QO, which means a 15M salary in year 3.

In order to do that legally, the 3 year contract AAV would be at least 10.75M AAV.

Paul Dreger said $12M in the 3rd year today, so probably lowered it from that $15M year 3 ask. Even $12 the y can gtfo

 

[Ziggdiezan]

It's been reported they want a 15M QO, which means a 15M salary in year 3.

In order to do that legally, the 3 year contract AAV would be at least 10.75M AAV.

Evidently front loading and back loading contracts have different rules so you could get the AAV closer to 10 million (still an absolute joke).

 

[Cor]

Sit his ass for the year. Give Bracco a shot.

I think you 100% put Bracco next to Tavares in the pre-season, to see how it works.