Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - Training camp looms

[Dekes For Days]

It's been reported they want a 15M QO, which means a 15M salary in year 3.

In order to do that legally, the 3 year contract AAV would be at least 10.75M AAV.

This is incorrect and has been explained multiple times.

Back-loaded and front-loaded deals have different rules. The rule for back-loaded deals is that the variance from year to year cannot be more than the lowest year's salary in the first half of the contract.

This makes 7.5-7.5-15 a legal contract (10m x 3), which is the same one that was reported months ago and has been reported to now be irrelevant. This rule is why Meier's contract is legal.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Trade him and tell the press what the best offer he turned down was at the press conference. Make him unwelcome in the city.

 

[Walshy7]

If we are trading Marner, I'm not giving up Bracco as well.

And honestly, I doubt CHJ entertains moving Seth Jones. He's an elite #1 d-man. He's the cornerstone of their team now. They may entertain a Werenski + Anderson + Something type package for Marner, but that's about it in CBJ

if werenski was RHD id think about that. But unless we turn around and move Muzzin then we just have too many LHD. For the record id take the younger Werenski over Muzzin it just seems something they wont want to do right now

 

[ToneDog]

A Marner for Rantanen trade is interesting, but nothing has come out on Rantatnen's asks (like, it seems they have had 0 talks).

It was reported that PHI are expected to have deals done with Provorov & Konecny this week.

Thinking rantanen might be easier to sign. I expect these RFAs to start getting nervous and start signing soon. It will take one of the top RFAs to sign to get the dominos falling.

 

[taurine330]

The problem is he just cratered his value. There isn't a GM in this league that wants to give up assets for Marner and pay him $11 million per year. He would have signed an offer sheet already.

Just let him sit away his career. He can play in Switzerland, KHL, wherever for all I care. There's a reason Kessel is traded time after time. Maybe the same can be applied to Marner.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Turning down a 11 x 7 as confirmed by Bobby Mac is reason to be worried...

Not really. Even if true, there is no real reason for Marner to sign that right now, even if that's what he ends up taking.

It means if Marner is going to be a leaf next year he will be getting significantly overpaid.

No, it doesn't mean that at all.

I think this may end up at 11 x 5

I highly, highly, highly doubt it.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Yea, don't play any hockey till December. Let's see how that works out for you.

 

[Nineteen67]

11x7 seems a bit too long of a term.....why not 11x5 and get it over with.

Could be the big three want Nylander squeezed out. They were in the room with him and saw his performance and effort in the playoffs. Would not surprise me.

 

[Fogelhund]

If we are trading Marner, I'm not giving up Bracco as well.

And honestly, I doubt CHJ entertains moving Seth Jones. He's an elite #1 d-man. He's the cornerstone of their team now. They may entertain a Werenski + Anderson + Something type package for Marner, but that's about it in CBJ

I'm curious... who is Anderson's player manager?

 

[Kamiccolo]

Dubas, it's not working man. I really feel he needs to pull a Shero. Maybe he can't come out and say it directly due to the media here, but he needs to leak something big. Say that they have done their best and Marner is being unreasonable, and right now they are looking for any trades for Marner, but also for trades to improve the team, as they are going to let him sit until his demands become reasonable.

What is Marner going to do? He's going to come down on his bridge deal to make something work for the Leafs, so he doesn't lose all his money, knowing he can try again with arb rights in a few years. Dubas should immediately start shopping him at that point.

 

[kb]

Trade him and tell the press what the best offer he turned down was at the press conference. Make him unwelcome in the city.

That could backfire, but holy....what a statement that would make to anyone considering this BS in the future.

 

[kb]

I'm curious... who is Anderson's player manager?

Ferris. Lol

 

[biotk]

Ya I saw that and was surprised no one had mentioned it. This isnt just about this contract it is also about past and future contracts...

When people say that Dubas could have and should have signed Marner last summer, they are wrong. It was never an option. The Marner camp has always felt slighted and they want the Leafs to pay for all of the wrongs the Marner camp has felt. There is no room for such a player on a team that wants to win a cup.

 

[ToneDog]

Yea, don't play any hockey till December. Let's see how that works out for you.

Needs to sign before the star of the season or i believe it won't work.

 

[Matthews34]

Marner’s had one good season playing wing for a centre that’s done nothing but obscenely boost his wingers point totals and now he feels he should be paid like McDavid. Get the f*** out of here! Trade him to Arizona or Carolina where they give zero f***s about hockey so he can fade into oblivion.

 

[Nineteen67]

you have your eyes closed today?.
Dreger
McKenzie
Mirtle

All have said it, with varying slants on it ie: Dreger spinning it as $9M + $1.6M bonus he "missed out on"

I see them now. Those were actual reports. Friedman and CJ were just speculating on what they’ve heard other reports chatting about.

 

[Mess]

When the dust settles the Leafs could have the 3rd, 4th and 5th highest paid/AAV players in the game.

All without ever winning a single playoff round, to reward success.

Quite the unique situation we have here.

 

[biotk]

11x7 seems a bit too long of a term.....why not 11x5 and get it over with.

Could be the big three want Nylander squeezed out. They were in the room with him and saw his performance and effort in the playoffs. Would not surprise me.

 

[Walshy7]

id take Laine + for Marner, if
A: we know for sure he isn't a headcase (due diligence)
B: we find out his demands and are obviously lower than Marner ($8.5-9.5M)
C: the + was reasonably high quality

BUT we would then have an imbalance of pure shooters in our forward group too which is something to consider JT, Matthews and Laine with only Nylander and maybe in the near future bracco as elite playmakers

 

[Suntouchable13]

Needs to sign before the star of the season or i believe it won't work.

I can't wait for a resolution for this. If it can happen before the first game, that would be great.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think you 100% put Bracco next to Tavares in the pre-season, to see how it works.

I've stated this numerous times.... Just imagine, they find chemistry and ten games in, they are both near PPG.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Not really. Even if true, there is no real reason for Marner to sign that right now, even if that's what he ends up taking.


No, it doesn't mean that at all.


I highly, highly, highly doubt it.

If he is turning down overpayments already I don't see how he becomes a leaf without signing a big overpayment.

However only time will tell

 

[kb]

Needs to sign before the star of the season or i believe it won't work.

Yessir. His asks don't work now, but as the LTIR room clicks off, it gets worse in a hurry for Mitch. Basically the only 2 options are to sit all year or be traded.

 

[TheDoldrums]

 

[Fogelhund]

Ferris. Lol

Please tell me you are joking. Hard pass if not.