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Paul Statsny, Taylor Hall and Cory Perry all had longer season point streaks... Are they better than everyone without a streak? And do you mean the main board where majority have said the exact things I've said about Marner vs Rantanen?

Oops i didnt get the memo that as a Leaf fan i have to ignore logic and always like every Leaf player, no matter how they perform in the playoffs. Thanks for reminding me, ol fearless leader, i wont let it happen again.

Take a look for yourself
Holy hell.
This is what you have? point streaks from the past?
FYI... Rantanen's EVD GAR is in the negatives this year. He isnt even in the 80th percentile in total goals above replacement. You pick a funny player to lionize against Marner who has been playing just below the 98th percentile:laugh:
You didn't get the memo that hijacking an appreciation thread doesn't get you a ton of points around here. It would be nice if the mods at least thread banned you.
 
Holy hell.
This is what you have? point streaks from the past?
FYI... Rantanen's EVD GAR is in the negatives this year. He isnt even in the 80th percentile in total goals above replacement. You pick a funny player to lionize against Marner who has been playing just below the 98th percentile:laugh:
You didn't get the memo that hijacking an appreciation thread doesn't get you a ton of points around here. It would be nice if the mods at least thread banned you.
He'll bitch and moan about Marner for his entire career culminating by giving him a loud booing as they add his statue to Legends Row.
 
He'll bitch and moan about Marner for his entire career culminating by giving him a loud booing as they add his statue to Legends Row.
Pretty sure he doesn't have a lot of Leaf fan friends. In my circle, anyone talking like that would be donning the black and blue after a few beers and I'm not talking jerseys.
 
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Remember back he was benched in Anaheim, smashed his stick in the tunnel, and then told everyone about shambles in the brain?

5 goals, 14 assists, since then.

19 points in 14 games.
 
Marner looks better without Matthews. Hes forced to play a more complete offensive game instead of constantly looking to dish the puck to matthews.
 
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When he scored his goal against detroit he actually took the puck away defensively in the right corner by his own net. He took the puck away from the Detroit player and passed it to gio and still made it up the ice to score.
Mitch is élite offensively and also defensively.
 
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Holy hell.
This is what you have? point streaks from the past?
FYI... Rantanen's EVD GAR is in the negatives this year. He isnt even in the 80th percentile in total goals above replacement. You pick a funny player to lionize against Marner who has been playing just below the 98th percentile:laugh:
You didn't get the memo that hijacking an appreciation thread doesn't get you a ton of points around here. It would be nice if the mods at least thread banned you.
First i didn't pick Rantanen others did.

2nd... Go ahead and explain to me why Marner has been excellent in the past three playoffs ..... Let's hear it. Give me his stats...

You throw around season stats but when asked about playoffs you go silent because you know he wasn't been good.

If Marner was good in playoffs id understand your shock over others not liking what Marner brings... Its just plain weird you ignore his playoffs and think criticism is unjustified.

If marner comes up dry for the 4th consecutive post season will you still defend him? Or you gonna wait until his first hot streak of the next season to forget it again?

But let's see your evidence of Marner being a good 11 million dollar performer. Looking forward to it.
 
First i didn't pick Rantanen others did.

2nd... Go ahead and explain to me why Marner has been excellent in the past three playoffs ..... Let's hear it. Give me his stats...

You throw around season stats but when asked about playoffs you go silent because you know he wasn't been good.

If Marner was good in playoffs id understand your shock over others not liking what Marner brings... Its just plain weird you ignore his playoffs and think criticism is unjustified.

If marner comes up dry for the 4th consecutive post season will you still defend him? Or you gonna wait until his first hot streak of the next season to forget it again?

But let's see your evidence of Marner being a good 11 million dollar performer. Looking forward to it.
Marner stats destroyed the stats of every player on Tampas first 2 lines last year during their series. If you disagree, go ahead and post your refutation. This is just stupid. Your assertions and demonstratably false. Try watching a game or two and go away. You are just looking ....
 
Marner stats destroyed the stats of every player on Tampas first 2 lines last year during their series. If you disagree, go ahead and post your refutation. This is just stupid. Your assertions and demonstratably false. Try watching a game or two and go away. You are just looking ....
What about Columbus, what about Montreal? He was 13% cap hit then too. Or have you blocked those series out of your mind?

Your the confident one, so hurt over others not being happy with Marner... Post your evidence why you are right and others are wrong. Show everyone Marners exceptional stat lines.

I keep saying how he went 18 games without a post season goal, I posted how he causes turn overs that led to pivotal game six losses in both the last two series. I broke down each one of his points from the Tampa series showing his linemates being the play drivers in his points.

You keep telling me I won't shut up... But you don't show me why I am wrong. I keep getting told to do my own research.

Seems like a cop-out to me. Looking forward to you putting your money where your mouth is... And proving that I'm wrong about ALL Marners post season performances since getting 13.3 % of the team cap.

Looking forward to the evidence but I'm gonna guess your going go skirt around this oneas you typically do (because you know you can't prove it...because he was bad!)
 
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I thought Korpisalo made some ludicrous saves in the series including one of the saves of the playoffs in game 5 but positioning also played a part of it too. A guy that in the zone can make any team look bad including while he's setting records against the champs the next round.

....and both goal totals are putrid, it's just one team had a goalie and one didn't. I really don't think we were 2 goals in 3 games away from a cup run with what we had in net but that level of production worked fine for the Bolts.

It's why Murray is an intriguing choice but has to stay healthy. He's been at that level in the playoffs (and Samsonov was good in the last playoffs too)
This is just so wrong because you're completely ignoring context. The difference is that TB was playing with the lead most of the time and therefore they didn't need to score. Toronto on the other hand, was playing from behind most of the time and with their season on the line, they had to score and it even made sense to take chances to do so, and they still couldn't do it.

So two teams, one had to score, one didn't, and the one that didn't still scored twice as many as the other. No offence but calling the goal total of the team that didn't need to score, that did what they had to do successfully and won the cup "putrid", is just crazy talk.

There's just no way you can spin scoring only 2 goals in 10 periods as not being an enormous failure, and there's just no way you can blame scoring only 2 goals in 10 periods on the goaltender so I suggest you stop trying.
 
Would you nominate Marner for the:

1. Hart
2. Selke
3. Ted Lindsey
or
Perhaps
4. The Conn Smythe

?
He's so damn elite.

McDavid, Draisital, Kucherov, Matthews and Mackinnon are the only forwards I would say are better then Marner over the last few years.

Kapriozov and Panarin are also elite but probably on the same level as Marner. Jason Robertson this year is also a very special talent. I would take Marner over both of them though. Pretty scary that Marner might be the 6th best forward in the league.
 
This is just so wrong because you're completely ignoring context. The difference is that TB was playing with the lead most of the time and therefore they didn't need to score. Toronto on the other hand, was playing from behind most of the time and with their season on the line, they had to score and it even made sense to take chances to do so, and they still couldn't do it.

So two teams, one had to score, one didn't, and the one that didn't still scored twice as many as the other. No offence but calling the goal total of the team that didn't need to score, that did what they had to do successfully and won the cup "putrid", is just crazy talk.

There's just no way you can spin scoring only 2 goals in 10 periods as not being an enormous failure, and there's just no way you can blame scoring only 2 goals in 10 periods on the goaltender so I suggest you stop trying.

I think we are both looking at context but you are ignoring the bigger picture. Playing from behind in big playoff games makes it harder to score against good teams. How did they get there?

Why was Toronto playing from behind against Columbus? Wasnt it Andersen letting in floaters from the point and short side softies?

Why was Toronto playing from behind against Montreal? Wasnt it Campbell letting in savable pucks including one of the softest goals of the playoffs five-hole? Tampa was actually better for Campbell but the fact he was outduelled by Vasy in the end isnt in dispute.

You've played sports right? How deflating was it when your goalie lets in a bad goal in a big game? How much did it go to your legs when he made a huge save in a big game? I'm not sure the Leafs know what its like to have a goalie win them a big game in half a decade. When I think of games they have won (game 4 against the Jackets for example), it's been due to the team willing themselves in spite of the goaltending.

1.3 goals a game is absolutely putrid but I do see your point. It's a lot easier not having to press and leave yourself open to more goals being scored on you but without one of the greatest playoff goalies ever, none of that happens anyways.

You put Campbell/Andersen in that net for Tampa and there are no cups and, hell, it's plausible they might not even win a round. Much like the Leafs not knowing what it's like to have that rock behind them in big games, Tampa really doesnt know what it's like to not have that guy back there......except for one playoffs right?

When Vasy was actually off his game for once and it was the biggest upset in history where they completely imploded as a team, got swept and Kucherov completely cracked and got suspended in the biggest choke job almost ever. They just tinkered a bit, kept all the relevant pieces and boom, 2 cups and 3 straight finals with that same squad with Vasy playing to his high standards. I don't think Tampa sniffs a cup without good goaltending, we've seen it play out.

Like I said, maybe the Leafs have it now. I don't think they miss sulky Andersen or headcase Campbell that much. Just give this team one game where the goalie steals it for them. Vasy stole all those games on the way to the cup. 4 series wins, 4 shutouts to close them out. I dont even want that but just half of that and this team is rolling.

Bah, I'm just rambling now but I hope you see my point.
 
He's so damn elite.

McDavid, Draisital, Kucherov, Matthews and Mackinnon are the only forwards I would say are better then Marner over the last few years.

Kapriozov and Panarin are also elite but probably on the same level as Marner. Jason Robertson this year is also a very special talent. I would take Marner over both of them though. Pretty scary that Marner might be the 6th best forward in the league.
Super elite, no doubt.
There isn't another winger league wide I'd take over Marner for this team.
 
I think we are both looking at context but you are ignoring the bigger picture. Playing from behind in big playoff games makes it harder to score against good teams. How did they get there?

Why was Toronto playing from behind against Columbus? Wasnt it Andersen letting in floaters from the point and short side softies?

Why was Toronto playing from behind against Montreal? Wasnt it Campbell letting in savable pucks including one of the softest goals of the playoffs five-hole? Tampa was actually better for Campbell but the fact he was outduelled by Vasy in the end isnt in dispute.

You've played sports right? How deflating was it when your goalie lets in a bad goal in a big game? How much did it go to your legs when he made a huge save in a big game? I'm not sure the Leafs know what its like to have a goalie win them a big game in half a decade. When I think of games they have won (game 4 against the Jackets for example), it's been due to the team willing themselves in spite of the goaltending.

1.3 goals a game is absolutely putrid but I do see your point. It's a lot easier not having to press and leave yourself open to more goals being scored on you but without one of the greatest playoff goalies ever, none of that happens anyways.

You put Campbell/Andersen in that net for Tampa and there are no cups and, hell, it's plausible they might not even win a round. Much like the Leafs not knowing what it's like to have that rock behind them in big games, Tampa really doesnt know what it's like to not have that guy back there......except for one playoffs right?

When Vasy was actually off his game for once and it was the biggest upset in history where they completely imploded as a team, got swept and Kucherov completely cracked and got suspended in the biggest choke job almost ever. They just tinkered a bit, kept all the relevant pieces and boom, 2 cups and 3 straight finals with that same squad with Vasy playing to his high standards. I don't think Tampa sniffs a cup without good goaltending, we've seen it play out.

Like I said, maybe the Leafs have it now. I don't think they miss sulky Andersen or headcase Campbell that much. Just give this team one game where the goalie steals it for them. Vasy stole all those games on the way to the cup. 4 series wins, 4 shutouts to close them out. I dont even want that but just half of that and this team is rolling.

Bah, I'm just rambling now but I hope you see my point.
You're fixated on why they were behind but that's irrelevant. They were behind, and they could not score, no excuses.

Have you ever seen a goalie let in a softie, and then play great the rest of the game? I have, so has every player in the league. So why should anyone accept your "how deflating is it" excuse? It's game 7, and you think it's acceptable to give up on the season because of one soft goal?

Agree to disagree.
 
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I think we are both looking at context but you are ignoring the bigger picture.
It's also pretty misleading for him to cherry pick out the 3rd (and only scoreless) period of a game in which we scored 4 goals in order to argue about our lack of scoring.
 

Olczyk and Tavares appreciate Marner

“You have to give (Sittler and Olczyk) credit, it’s extremely hard to do no matter what era,” Toronto captain John Tavares replied, while conceding: “The way teams prepare now for players with the amount of information, the video and how it’s dissected and how they’re aware what you do well, (a streak) is really impressive. You have to find ways to adapt and be difficult to play against, not be one-dimensional. Mitch is a threat in so many areas.”
 
Scoring points in consecutive games makes you consistent, but does it make you better than players with more goals and points without the streak?
 
Scoring points in consecutive games makes you consistent, but does it make you better than players with more goals and points without the streak?
'Better' scorer, I'd say no.
My definition of of 'better' includes both ends of the ice in all situations.
 
'Better' scorer, I'd say no.
My definition of of 'better' includes both ends of the ice in all situations.
"All stituations" for me would include playoffs and even a higher emphasis at that time.

For Marner to really establish himself among the elite he will have to do it come playoff time and be a major factor in the teams success. IMO

A Dougie Gilmour like performance replicating 1993 and 1994 would do that, maybe this is the season he elevates his playoff play to match his regular season success.
 
"All stituations" for me would include playoffs and even a higher emphasis at that time.

For Marner to really establish himself among the elite he will have to do it come playoff time and be a major factor in the teams success. IMO

A Dougie Gilmour like performance replicating 1993 and 1994 would do that, maybe this is the season he elevates his playoff play to match his regular season success.
Nothing we can do about playoffs at this moment.
 
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"All stituations" for me would include playoffs and even a higher emphasis at that time.

For Marner to really establish himself among the elite he will have to do it come playoff time and be a major factor in the teams success. IMO

A Dougie Gilmour like performance replicating 1993 and 1994 would do that, maybe this is the season he elevates his playoff play to match his regular season success.
Even Gilmour couldn't help when other lines were on the ice.
Last year, Marner was a +3 averaging more than a ppg in the playoffs yet the 3rd and 4th lines of Tampa feasted.
Not every playoff loss is on this kid.
 
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Just bought a Mitchy Marner reverse retro with the Salming ALS patch. Gotta show some love to the way the kid has played these last couple seasons. Full commitment to all 200ft of the sheet. The guy is a lightning rod for criticism whenever shit hits the fan with this team and he just takes it on the chin and keeps moving forward.

You don't have to love the guy, but man this dude just balls out on the ice every night. No matter where and who he plays with he just seems to make shit happen.

He is the straw that stirs the drink for us. Take my money MLSE
 
Even the bet takers want no part of betting against Marner
He is a +115 in scoring at least 1.5 points against SJ.

Perspective...Draisaitl is a -110 to score over 1.5 points against a team with worse goal prevention than SJ (hawks)
 
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