Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[Antropovsky]

Sheldon Keefe: “Sometimes you coach really smart players who don’t have the abilities to act on that intelligence… If you get a player who has both, you end up with Mitch Marner”​

I dont think anyone denys Mitch plays smart. He definitely does. But does he have the determination, grit and type of skillset to play a big role in winning a cup? Keefe has 4 years nhl experience and 100 nhl games as a player... I'm not sure if he knows yet what a nhl winning roster looks like.

Here is Trotz recent comments on the Leafs stars. And he seems to agree with these concerns.

The thing I saw with them last year is the commitment level in the playoffs. Their stars were blocking shots. They got their noses dirty a little more often. They made the simple play when they had to. They didn’t try to force things.”

But he wasn’t willing to crown them Stanley Cup champions just yet — at least not this year.

“I’m signing off on them learning to win,” said the Winnipeg native. “I’m not signing off on the Leafs because there’s a team like Boston there, and Tampa. But I’m saying great competition — great teams like Tampa and Boston — Toronto’s learning from that. I know if you’re a Toronto fan, it’s been death by 1,000 cuts over the years, but you’ll break through. They’ll break through. It’ll happen. I don’t know if it’ll happen this year, but it’ll happen. It just will.”

 

[Gary Nylund]

He did

You figure Marner took a pay cut to help the team? How much of a discount do you figure he gave us?

 

[Antropovsky]

But he's not making dangerous, low percentage plays and making bad turnovers. He's making creative, high percentage plays and generating shots, chances, and goals.

.... This is entirely untrue, how many times in the gdt were fans peeved that Marner was trying to "deke the puck into the net".... Also his giveaways in game six elimination games led to two game winners. Vs Montreal he could've slid the luck along the ice to clear it ok the PK he opted to flip it high up and over the boards. Similarly in game 6 vs Tampa he could've cleared the zone by sliding the puck down the ice...but flipped it and it went tape to tape to a fresh Tampa player coming of the bench for the goal.

There were many more, but even if those were the only two, they were back breakers to the team I'm those series.

 

[Budz]

But he's not making dangerous, low percentage plays and making bad turnovers. He's making creative, high percentage plays and generating shots, chances, and goals.

Agree to disagree.

The Kerfoot goal that was called back. Look, sweet play, a really cute toe drag and feed and all - and pretty against Chicago in Reg Season game 60.

Game 6 vs. Tampa - these are the type of plays that will kill us.

 

[Dekes For Days]

.... This is entirely untrue, how many times in the gdt were fans peeved that Marner was trying to "deke the puck into the net"....

What I said is 100% true. I prefer to watch the games than the GDT, but certainly lots of people say silly things in the GDT. Though are you sure all these fans wasn't just you repeating it a bunch of times? Not sure how anybody could have anything bad to say about Marner last night. The whole panel was gushing over him at intermission, and I don't even think he had a point yet.

Obviously everybody has turnovers from time to time, but that's not really what we're discussing. We've already discussed your incorrect representations of past playoff plays plenty of times - neither of which are "bad turnovers off of low percentage plays" anyway. Not really interested in rehashing it.

 

[Antropovsky]

Agree to disagree.

The Kerfoot goal that was called back. Look, sweet play, a really cute toe drag and feed and all - and pretty against Chicago in Reg Season game 60.

Game 6 vs. Tampa - these are the type of plays that will kill us.

100% agree, looks great but that area of the ice is going to be ram packed during playoffs. Is that what we think defense is going to look like? Plenty of room vs the team one point away from the worst record in the NHL.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Game 6 vs. Tampa - these are the type of plays that will kill us.

Not really sure how you think that beautiful play in the offensive zone is going to "kill us".
It would be harder to pull off against a top team, but it's literally one of the last things that would "kill us", even if it doesn't work.

 

[Antropovsky]

What I said is 100% true. I prefer to watch the games than the GDT, but certainly lots of people say silly things in the GDT. Though are you sure all these fans wasn't just you repeating it a bunch of times? Not sure how anybody could have anything bad to say about Marner last night. The whole panel was gushing over him at intermission, and I don't even think he had a point yet.

Obviously everybody has turnovers from time to time, but that's not really what we're discussing. We've already discussed your incorrect representations of past playoff plays plenty of times - neither of which are "bad turnovers off of low percentage plays" anyway. Not really interested in rehashing it.

Should we post the Montreal series gdts where you kept repeating that I was wrong about Marner not playing good enough? Remember the one where you said you said I didn't know anything because I dont watch every minute of every game like you do? How did that series turn out? Who was more accurate? I believe you were saying he was "excellent"

Not really sure how you think that beautiful play in the offensive zone is going to "kill us".
It would be harder to pull off against a top team, but it's literally one of the last things that would "kill us", even if it doesn't work.

Your suggesting a shot instead of that play wouldn't be a higher percentage play in the playoffs? He fumbles that pass and the puck is going the other way... And leafs get no shot and no chance at a rebound. Another thing that was in the gdt about Marner deking too much.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Agree to disagree.

The Kerfoot goal that was called back. Look, sweet play, a really cute toe drag and feed and all - and pretty against Chicago in Reg Season game 60.

Game 6 vs. Tampa - these are the type of plays that will kill us.

I'm with you. I mean, sure it's entertaining to watch Marner do stuff like that but people gushing over this sort of thing (in any regular season game, never mind a bottom feeder) reminds me of people gushing over our record breaking November as if it has any real meaning. Do it in the playoffs and win, that's what I'm waiting for and then we can all chant together about what an amazing player Marner is.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Should we post the Montreal series gdts where you kept repeating that I was wrong about Marner not playing good enough? Remember the one where you said you said I didn't know anything because I dont watch every minute of every game like you do? How did that series turn out? Who was more accurate?

What does any of this have to do with anything? Why are you deflecting?
First off, I don't remember posting much in the Montreal series GDTs (I believe you're referring to discussions in Marner-dedicated threads), but you were wrong about the things you said about Marner during that time.
Second, your claim that I said you "didn't know anything because you dont watch every minute of every game" isn't true. I believe you're referring to the time that you were incorrectly describing Marner and dumping on the good game he just played, where the announcers were gushing over him, and then you revealed that you hadn't even watched it, and I had a brief chuckle.
Who was more accurate? I was, of course. Still am.

Your suggesting a shot instead of that play wouldn't be a higher percentage play in the playoffs?

Neither a shot nor the pass that Marner made are low percentage. They are both high percentage, and both are incredibly unlikely to "kill us".

 

[ACC1224]

Agree to disagree.

The Kerfoot goal that was called back. Look, sweet play, a really cute toe drag and feed and all - and pretty against Chicago in Reg Season game 60.

Game 6 vs. Tampa - these are the type of plays that will kill us.

Strange take. Why would that 'kill us'?

 

[666]

What does any of this have to do with anything? Why are you deflecting?
First off, I don't remember posting much in the Montreal series GDTs (I believe you're referring to discussions in Marner-dedicated threads), but you were wrong about the things you said about Marner during that time.
Second, your claim that I said you "didn't know anything because you dont watch every minute of every game" isn't true. I believe you're referring to the time that you were incorrectly describing Marner and dumping on the good game he just played, where the announcers were gushing over him, and then you revealed that you hadn't even watched it, and I had a brief chuckle.
Who was more accurate? I was, of course. Still am.

Neither a shot nor the pass that Marner made are low percentage. They are both high percentage, and both are incredibly unlikely to "kill us".

Jebus dude. Don't you have anything better to do than to argue with the Marner haters? If you stop responding to them they'll stop posting. You are currently half of the problem. Stop posting.

 

[Doublerum1975]

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Agree to disagree.

The Kerfoot goal that was called back. Look, sweet play, a really cute toe drag and feed and all - and pretty against Chicago in Reg Season game 60.

Game 6 vs. Tampa - these are the type of plays that will kill us.

How?

 

[Notsince67]

You figure Marner took a pay cut to help the team? How much of a discount do you figure he gave us?

About 5mm
Sorry @ACC1224

 

[Dekes For Days]

If you stop responding to them they'll stop posting.

If only that were true. But I think you can go back through this thread, or years of threads, and see that it's not.
Wasn't really looking for a Marner discussion anyway. Was just correcting some misrepresentations that were made about past discussions.

 

[666]

If only that were true. But I think you can go back through this thread, or years of threads, and see that it's not.
Wasn't really looking for a Marner discussion anyway. Was just correcting some misrepresentations that were made about past discussions.

No dude. You just like to argue. I've wasted my time with you in the past and have learned to just bow out. That's what I'm doing now and what you need to do as well.

 

[Gary Nylund]

About 5mm
Sorry @ACC1224

5 millimetres?

 

[Notsince67]

5 millimetres?

FYI... MM denotes Milia Milia in Latin and is the Roman numeral for a million. It is often used by ex-banking numberphiles like myself to denote currency. Your welcome.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Similarly in game 6 vs Tampa he could've cleared the zone by sliding the puck down the ice...but flipped it and it went tape to tape to a fresh Tampa player coming of the bench for the goal.

I have told you multiple times before that game winning goal by Tampa in Game 6 wasn't Marner's fault.

Marner got the puck out of the Leafs end like he was supposed to do. It was Matthews who feel down which is why the Lightning got the puck right back and scored seconds later.

 

[Dekes For Days]

No dude. You just like to argue. I've wasted my time with you in the past and have learned to just bow out. That's what I'm doing now and what you need to do as well.

Yeah, you're really showing that you just bow out and avoid arguments by... initiating an antagonistic argument with me out of nowhere.
I don't like to argue. I don't even know you, and you clearly don't know me. I like to discuss hockey, and I'd like to get back to that, thanks. Focus on your own posts.

 

[Gary Nylund]

FYI... MM denotes Milia Milia in Latin and is the Roman numeral for a million. It is often used by ex-banking numberphiles like myself to denote currency. Your welcome.

So you think Marner gave us a 5 million dollar discount, got it. Would that be per season, or spread out over the 6 years?

 

[Yall are crazy]

Not trying to be Debbie Downer, but tonight is what is frustrating with Marner. He was great, no complaints for a regular season game.

That type of play/game just doesn’t translate to the playoffs.

I just hope when playoff hockey starts he stops trying to make plays like that. He needs to play a simpler game.

You can keep telling someone to be someone they're not and most of the time its not gonna work. When he became a goal scorer last year he was still dealing twirling marner who made assists more than goals. When he lead the team in hits he was still one of the less physical players in the league his style is his style playoffs or not. Just like all these other teams who win the cups with the distinctive styles. Yeah playoffs have more hitting incorporate and physical play. As we see with all the teams including the leafs. But no one changed their fundamental style or what they do. Maybe you mean you wish marner was more physical and just shot the puck more in a simpler style when it calls for it? Cause ppl have been deking through the playoffs for years

There’s no accurate way to measure hockey iq.
Marner is easily top 5 all time.

Marner has been said to have the highest/best iq and vision in the league by multiple ppl in the league for years and you say he's top 5? Lol

 

[nsleaf]

Even when the thread title is clearly denoted and capitalized, there are some haters who feel they must be heard.

 

[Yall are crazy]

Agree 100%. Someone said Marner's the smartest player since Einstein or whatever and of course Marner fans have been quoting it as fact ever since.

Anyone who thinks that it's not that tough to quantify sports IQ, try making a list of the top 10 IQ's in the NHL. Good luck!

I think it's gotten to the point where Marner's overrated. He's a great player no doubt, and he's been playing great since the beginning of last season, even in the last playoffs. But man, there are a lot of great players in the NHL and it would probably be pretty easy to make list of 10 players who's GM's would laugh at the idea that they're inferior players to Marner. He's probably a top 10 forward in the NHL, that's it. That's very good indeed, but some people seems to think he's a candidate for the Hart or whatever and he's just not.

I think gushing over Marner's hockey IQ is kind of like the people who gush over all the talent this team has. Yeah OK we have talent, but who cares, win in the playoffs, that's what counts. Who cares about dancing around the doormat Black Hawks FFS!

I feel oke you're ignoring a whole lot of things and just went on the marner is overhyped tangent. No one said ppl are inferior to marner. And someone having a higher iqq doesn't make someo e else automatically inferior unless the comparison is specifically iq or things directly related to that iq. You say marners level of high iq is easily a top 10 player thing when it's not. No one else in the league makes creative plays at marners level day in day out for years. Some ppl say not even gretzky. Yeah it's become a legitimate comparison. Marner is the only player in the league who everyone and their mother always talks about his iq and his vision. Not even crosby or mcdavid or revered in their iq or 200 ft game or vision than marner. And you're telling me f***ing kucherov mackinnoj whoever the hell top 10 players, have a iq high enough than mcdavid and crosby? Who marner has a higher iq to? Who's iq and vision ppl say is rivaled to gretzky and no one else? And you're telling me it's a top 10 player thing and such an intangible unit of measurement? Like this man has started studying hickey at 10 months old. Thousands of probable patterns are literally seared in his brain bc his dad has made him study them since he was a newborn.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Marner has been said to have the highest/best iq and vision in the league by multiple ppl in the league for years and you say he's top 5? Lol

He said top 5 all-time, then later said he wasn't being serious.

Who are these multiple people? I remember Cooper saying something about him being a smart player, who else? I also wouldn't take what he said literally. Do you think he has "the highest/best iq and vision in the league"?

I think Marner's right up there with the best of them but not necessarily better than his peers. For example, I'm not sure how I'd go about making a case that his hockey IQ is higher than Bergeron's. JMHO.