Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[DarkKnight]

....but....but Berkshire

But dont compare him to Gretzky as you just did

This whole Gretzky thing started with Gretzky likening Marner’s game to himself, every time it comes up as a slag I just laugh at the obtuse lack of comprehension. Write Wayne and give him the business lol.

 

[DarkKnight]

“Some guys are different, and he is one of those guys. He has proven it over and over again.” Hall of Famer Doug Gilmour.

”He’s over rated”. Some nobody, who can’t skate, posting from his dead end job.

Social media is funny.

 

[ACC1224]

Last night on the broadcast they showed an interesting stat, passes that lead to scoring chances, it was a who’s who of the game, Marner was first edging out McJesus. What a special talent.

Wasn't surprised when I saw that. I mentioned earlier it seems like they get a scoring chance every shift.

 

[DarkKnight]

Wasn't surprised when I saw that. I mentioned earlier it seems like they get a scoring chance every shift.

I always wonder where they find these things, was interesting for sure.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Not saying MM is not a good player, heck he is a great player but to state he is top 5 ever in the NHL in terms of Hockey IQ is a bit much.

For discussion sake, can we consider MM top 5 in Hockey IQ as a Leafs?

Salming got to have high Hockey IQ due to how he craved opposing Defense bc he was great at anticipating opposing movement. Since anticipation is a huge part of Hockey IQ.

Sundin is another player as he made literally career bottom SIX players into 30 goals scorer. Need high Hockey IQ to do that.

We can say the same about Sittler.

Then there is Andreychuk, who despite his physical limitations(skating), he was really effective as a scorer. That probably means he had higher hockey IQ than his peers or else he wouldn’t had his career by being a limited skater.

Then there is Dougie not to mention Keon, Teeder, Bower and Conacher.

To claim someone top 5 all time in anything in pro sports is a huge ask. I won’t even state McD being a top 5 hockey player of all time at this moment bc Wayne, Mario, Orr and Howe already taken 4 spots and there are players like Lidstorm, Roy, Hasek, Bossy, Yzerman, Lafleur, Richard, Ovie, Jagr, Sid….for the 5th spot.

I think that's fair. Tough list to make but off the top of my head, my first crack at the top 5 IQ's since I've been watching would be Keon, Salming, Ellis, Gilmour and Marner. Honorable mention to Mogilny and Sundin, they could both easily be on the list, just not sure who's place they would take.

I think a lot of people have Crosby at #5 as of now, I know I do. I predicted that McDavid would be #5 on a tier all by himself by the time he's done, but since he got started Sid's stock has gone up so I'm probably going to end up being wrong about that - if he does pass Crosby, it probably will be close.

In my lifetime as a Leafs fan, I think Marner is the best playmaker that I can remember playing in Toronto.

I'm not going to try and compare him to different era's of previous Leafs players, because I wasn't born during the Sittler and Salming years when they played in Toronto.

I also became a Maple Leafs fan as a kid growing up in the 1990's and my all time favorite Leafs player was Doug Gilmour.

That also means I was around for the Mats Sundin years, and the Leafs didn't have a strong Centre who replaced him until they got to draft Auston Matthews.

He tops my list as well.

To me, I think Sundin is the best playmaker for the Leafs, namely bc he never had anyone like Willie, JT, AM, heck, he didn’t even had someone like JVR and Kadri to play with.
Hogland is someone worst the Calle or Engvall and Sundin made him into a 29 goals scorer. Steve Thomas is another example.
MM is more flashy but at the end of the day, Sundin, at least in my opinion, got higher IQ than MM.

You can make a good argument for Sundin for sure, and you have a good point about Marner being flashier (and Sundin was the opposite of flashy) so that probably gets Marner a lot of votes. Hell, it might even have gotten him my vote.

I wasn't being entirely serious obviously.
When something can't be accurately defined let alone measured it's impossible to say one has more of it over others.

You've had some really strange takes lately, so when you say something that sounds insane, it's impossible to tell whether you're being serious or not. Maybe you weren't being serious, or maybe you were and now you've realized how crazy you sounded so you're pretending you weren't, only you can know for sure.

 

[ULF_55]

Stickhandle in a phonebooth.

 

[DarkKnight]

”At the end of the year, Marner was named to the NHL First All-Star Team on right wing, the first time a Maple Leafs player was named to the NHL's First All-Star team since Börje Salming in 1977.” 2021

“At the end of the year, Marner was again named to the NHL First All-Star team as the league's best right winger, joining teammate Auston Matthews on the first team.” 2022

People in hockey get what we have here.

 

[ACC1224]

Stickhandle in a phonebooth.

That goal called back for offside was pretty incredible, not many pull that off.

 

[ULF_55]

That goal called back for offside was pretty incredible, not many pull that off.

Yeah, that was too bad. It was Kerfoot right? Off-side Kerfoot and he needs to pot goals more than anyone in the top 6.

 

[ACC1224]

Yeah, that was too bad. It was Kerfoot right? Off-side Kerfoot and he needs to pot goals more than anyone in the top 6.

It happens. To challenge that is a stupid rule, IMO.

 

[Doublerum1975]

What I found funny he didn’t even get a point in the first period but yet they still had a highlight package about him in the first intermission shows how elite he is

 

[ULF_55]

Last night on the broadcast they showed an interesting stat, passes that lead to scoring chances, it was a who’s who of the game, Marner was first edging out McJesus. What a special talent.

Well, one might be shooting more than the other that accounts for the difference.

Additionally, one might be alone on the goaltender with the other team trying to catch up.

Good company none-the-less.

 

[Notsince67]

I always wonder where they find these things, was interesting for sure.

I believe those stats are driven by new pucktracking and player tech. You only get them if you are media or a legit bookie

 

[Sypher04]

There’s no accurate way to measure hockey iq.
Marner is easily top 5 all time.

I don’t know about top 5 all time but there’s no question he’s a special talent

 

[ACC1224]

I don’t know about top 5 all time but there’s no question he’s a special talent

I was just messing. The whole IQ thing is dumb.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I was just messing. The whole IQ thing is dumb.

Why is the IQ thing dumb? Marner's a smart player, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that his hockey IQ is very high. It's when people get carried away (like you did with your top 5 all-time comment) that it gets dumb but that's true for any other aspect of player evaluation as well.

Hockey IQ is almost impossible to quantify, but I think most people would agree that Marner's hockey IQ is right up there with pretty much anyone currently playing and there's nothing wrong with saying so. JMHO.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Why didnt marner and marner sr. take a pay cut to help the team

 

[DarkKnight]

Sheldon Keefe: “Sometimes you coach really smart players who don’t have the abilities to act on that intelligence… If you get a player who has both, you end up with Mitch Marner”​

 

[Notsince67]

Why didnt marner and marner sr. take a pay cut to help the team

He did

 

[ACC1224]

He did

Why would you feed it?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Not trying to be Debbie Downer, but tonight is what is frustrating with Marner. He was great, no complaints for a regular season game.
That type of play/game just doesn’t translate to the playoffs.
I just hope when playoff hockey starts he stops trying to make plays like that. He needs to play a simpler game.

That type of play/game does translate to the playoffs. I don't know where this myth that it doesn't started. In fact, Kucherov plays a very similar way.
Trying to change his game to be simplistic is one of the worst things Marner could do. His best attribute is his hockey IQ and playmaking, and you're asking him to neuter himself.
Sometimes, doing something creative and unexpected is what you need the most in the playoffs.

 

[Notsince67]

Why would you feed it?

I was bored. Sorry

 

[Antropovsky]

This whole Gretzky thing started with Gretzky likening Marner’s game to himself, every time it comes up as a slag I just laugh at the obtuse lack of comprehension. Write Wayne and give him the business lol.

Haha ... You mean the Quote from when Gretzky was on Leaf Lunch? The one I posted below? Its not even close haha! This is gotten beyond embarrassing. Glad this is being kept off the main boards. Yeah lets call up Gretzky and be like Hey Gretzky can you make your comments about player even more vague.. Some posters are really reaching!

Btw he had even higher praise for Pettersen... OMFG two Grerzkys in the league right now!!!

Not that we're the exact same kind of players, but in a lot of ways Marner and Matthews remind me a lot of how Mark Messier and I were together. One guy is a little bit faster, more physical, stronger, obviously, and the other guy was a little bit more of a hockey guy. And so, I see a lot of similarities between myself and Mark with Marner and Matthews. And listen, obviously I cheer for the Oilers. I work with them and I want us to win a Stanley cup. But, Toronto's a fun team to watch. They play hard, they play properly and Mitch Marner's fun to watch

 

[Budz]

That type of play/game does translate to the playoffs. I don't know where this myth that it doesn't started. In fact, Kucherov plays a very similar way.
Trying to change his game to be simplistic is one of the worst things Marner could do. His best attribute is his hockey IQ and playmaking, and you're asking him to neuter himself.
Sometimes, doing something creative and unexpected is what you need the most in the playoffs.

Not if it leads to bad turnovers when it’s a low % play.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Not if it leads to bad turnovers when it’s a low % play.

But he's not making dangerous, low percentage plays and making bad turnovers. He's making creative, high percentage plays and generating shots, chances, and goals.