Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[LeafsNation75]

Anyone remember that pass banked off the goalie’s pad… perfectly to Matthews to win the game late in the third?

That play was extreme high hockey IQ… nobody does that. They either shoot or pass… not Mitch, he knows the goalie will kick the puck directly onto Auston’s stick.

Here are a few specific plays where Marner has been involved with that resulted in goals he either scored or helped setup.

 

[notDatsyuk]

What 22 game span are you referring to?....i appreciate the breakdown. The two stats pages I looked at have Marner with 23 and Nylander with 21 primary assisrs and Matthews and Tavares with 18 each.

Also Matthews has been hurt for 7 games and I imagine Marner played with Tavares over those 7, while Tavares drew the short straw for linemates.

The 22 games was from an earlier post of yours about Mitch only having one ES goal over that span. I must have looked at an older one, as I see it's now 26.

I didn't say 'primary assists', I said 'even strength assists'. But that works the same : if Mitch has more primary assists than Willy, it suggests that Matthews and JT score more with Mitch.

Yes, Marner has been on the top line with JT while Matthews was out, although I'm not sure why you say JT the short straw with two of our three best wingers. But he has played a lot of games this year with JT. I'm not sure why you don't know that.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Anyone remember that pass banked off the goalie’s pad… perfectly to Matthews to win the game late in the third?

That play was extreme high hockey IQ… nobody does that. They either shoot or pass… not Mitch, he knows the goalie will kick the puck directly onto Auston’s stick.

That's actually a fairly common play - a low shot for a rebound off the pads.

 

[LeafsNation75]

The 22 games was from an earlier post of yours about Mitch only having one ES goal over that span. I must have looked at an older one, as I see it's now 26.

I didn't say 'primary assists', I said 'even strength assists'. But that works the same : if Mitch has more primary assists than Willy, it suggests that Matthews and JT score more with Mitch.

Yes, Marner has been on the top line with JT while Matthews was out, although I'm not sure why you say JT the short straw with two of our three best wingers. But he has played a lot of games this year with JT. I'm not sure why you don't know that.

I guess he forgot the 2018-19 season when Marner played with Tavares at 5v5 for the whole year. That was when Marner had 94 points in 82 games, and Tavares got 47 and goals along with 88 points in 82 games.

 

[Antropovsky]

Here are a few specific plays where Marner has been involved with that resulted in goals he either scored or helped setup.

The bank of the goalie happens a lot... I saw a career minor leaguer do it last season... In fact I believe one of our very own bottom six players did it this season too.

Additionally... The high IQ play where Marner drops the puck on a breakaway for a tap in. <1 million dollar Bunting did the very same play.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Additionally... The high IQ play where Marner drops the puck on a breakaway for a tap in. <1 million dollar Bunting did the very same play.

When Bunting did that and Marner ended up scoring the goal, that was his 4th goal in the 10-7 win against Detroit. If you're going to bring up that play at least remember all the facts about it.

 

[DarkKnight]

How you know you don’t have a hockey IQ…you question Marner’s.

 

[Gabriel426]

Hockey iq is more about reading plays and understanding what's going to happen or likelyhood . Mitch is at the top of the heap when it comes to anticipating plays before they happen and reading evry available option . That's beyond skill . It's reactionary but not enough time imo for a brain to process reads, he just knows what to do . That imo is hockey iq. Hard to quantilfy yes , other than watching with the eye test of how over and over how the hell did he do that . To add to his hockey iq he has incredible timing and accuracy on his passes . It's not any individual pass , it's the frequency he makes them .

By no means am I implying MM has low Hockey IQ. Just stating in general sports IQ is quite hard to quantify. Easier to point out players got low IQ than judge player X has higher IQ than player Y.

 

[LeafsNation75]

It sucks that Kerfoot was offside when he scored, because this would have been another highlight of an assist from Marner.



At least he was still able to get an assist later on when Tavares scored to make it 4-2.

 

[Aashir]

It sucks that Kerfoot was offside when he scored, because this would have been another highlight of an assist from Marner.



At least he was still able to get an assist later on when Tavares scored to make it 4-2.

Holy shit that’s gross

Surprised that kerfoot finished that more than Marner made that deke tbh

 

[LeafsNation75]

Holy shit that’s gross

Surprised that kerfoot finished that more than Marner made that deke tbh

I think it's fair to say Marner would have got more of the recognition if that goal counted because of the pass.

 

[Budz]

Not trying to be Debbie Downer, but tonight is what is frustrating with Marner. He was great, no complaints for a regular season game.

That type of play/game just doesn’t translate to the playoffs.

I just hope when playoff hockey starts he stops trying to make plays like that. He needs to play a simpler game.

 

[ACC1224]

Super elite.
One of the few players that it seems like their line could score every shift.

Sure seemed like it tonight.

 

[Gary Nylund]

By no means am I implying MM has low Hockey IQ. Just stating in general sports IQ is quite hard to quantify. Easier to point out players got low IQ than judge player X has higher IQ than player Y.

Agree 100%. Someone said Marner's the smartest player since Einstein or whatever and of course Marner fans have been quoting it as fact ever since.

Anyone who thinks that it's not that tough to quantify sports IQ, try making a list of the top 10 IQ's in the NHL. Good luck!

I think it's gotten to the point where Marner's overrated. He's a great player no doubt, and he's been playing great since the beginning of last season, even in the last playoffs. But man, there are a lot of great players in the NHL and it would probably be pretty easy to make list of 10 players who's GM's would laugh at the idea that they're inferior players to Marner. He's probably a top 10 forward in the NHL, that's it. That's very good indeed, but some people seems to think he's a candidate for the Hart or whatever and he's just not.

I think gushing over Marner's hockey IQ is kind of like the people who gush over all the talent this team has. Yeah OK we have talent, but who cares, win in the playoffs, that's what counts. Who cares about dancing around the doormat Black Hawks FFS!

 

[Gabriel426]

Agree 100%. Someone said Marner's the smartest player since Einstein or whatever and of course Marner fans have been quoting it as fact ever since.

Anyone who thinks that it's not that tough to quantify sports IQ, try making a list of the top 10 IQ's in the NHL. Good luck!

I think it's gotten to the point where Marner's overrated. He's a great player no doubt, and he's been playing great since the beginning of last season, even in the last playoffs. But man, there are a lot of great players in the NHL and it would probably be pretty easy to make list of 10 players who's GM's would laugh at the idea that they're inferior players to Marner. He's probably a top 10 forward in the NHL, that's it. That's very good indeed, but some people seems to think he's a candidate for the Hart or whatever and he's just not.

I think gushing over Marner's hockey IQ is kind of like the people who gush over all the talent this team has. Yeah OK we have talent, but who cares, win in the playoffs, that's what counts. Who cares about dancing around the doormat Black Hawks FFS!

I think there is McD and then everybody else.
I don’t care if someone points out McD can’t play the 200 ft game….he is on his own level, and that’s a tier or two above the next batch of players.
MM certainly if part of the next group.
Personally, I think Hyman might just have the highest IQ in the game. Just look at the way he adopts his game to his linemates.

 

[ACC1224]

How you know you don’t have a hockey IQ…you question Marner’s.

There’s no accurate way to measure hockey iq.
Marner is easily top 5 all time.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think there is McD and then everybody else.
I don’t care if someone points out McD can’t play the 200 ft game….he is on his own level, and that’s a tier or two above the next batch of players.
MM certainly if part of the next group.
Personally, I think Hyman might just have the highest IQ in the game. Just look at the way he adopts his game to his linemates.

McD is #1 for sure. Hyman is an interesting idea, I haven't really been following so don't know what to say about that. I know he's having a great season though, pretty hard to say how good a player he is but he keeps exceeding expectations.

There’s no accurate way to measure hockey iq.
Marner is easily top 5 all time.

LMAO. Not just top 5 in the NHL, not just top 5 all time, but top 5 all time ... wait for it ... easily!


A picture perfect example of how overrated Marner is in these parts.

 

[Gabriel426]

There’s no accurate way to measure hockey iq.
Marner is easily top 5 all time.

McD is #1 for sure. Hyman is an interesting idea, I haven't really been following so don't know what to say about that. I know he's having a great season though, pretty hard to say how good a player he is but he keeps exceeding expectations.


LMAO. Not just top 5 in the NHL, not just top 5 all time, but top 5 all time ... wait for it ... easily!


A picture perfect example of how overrated Marner is in these parts.

Not saying MM is not a good player, heck he is a great player but to state he is top 5 ever in the NHL in terms of Hockey IQ is a bit much.

For discussion sake, can we consider MM top 5 in Hockey IQ as a Leafs?

Salming got to have high Hockey IQ due to how he craved opposing Defense bc he was great at anticipating opposing movement. Since anticipation is a huge part of Hockey IQ.

Sundin is another player as he made literally career bottom SIX players into 30 goals scorer. Need high Hockey IQ to do that.

We can say the same about Sittler.

Then there is Andreychuk, who despite his physical limitations(skating), he was really effective as a scorer. That probably means he had higher hockey IQ than his peers or else he wouldn’t had his career by being a limited skater.

Then there is Dougie not to mention Keon, Teeder, Bower and Conacher.

To claim someone top 5 all time in anything in pro sports is a huge ask. I won’t even state McD being a top 5 hockey player of all time at this moment bc Wayne, Mario, Orr and Howe already taken 4 spots and there are players like Lidstorm, Roy, Hasek, Bossy, Yzerman, Lafleur, Richard, Ovie, Jagr, Sid….for the 5th spot.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Not saying MM is not a good player, heck he is a great player but to state he is top 5 ever in the NHL in terms of Hockey IQ is a bit much.

For discussion sake, can we consider MM top 5 in Hockey IQ as a Leafs?

Salming got to have high Hockey IQ due to how he craved opposing Defense bc he was great at anticipating opposing movement. Since anticipation is a huge part of Hockey IQ.

Sundin is another player as he made literally career bottom SIX players into 30 goals scorer. Need high Hockey IQ to do that.

We can say the same about Sittler.

Then there is Andreychuk, who despite his physical limitations(skating), he was really effective as a scorer. That probably means he had higher hockey IQ than his peers or else he wouldn’t had his career by being a limited skater.

Then there is Dougie not to mention Keon, Teeder, Bower and Conacher.

To claim someone top 5 all time in anything in pro sports is a huge ask. I won’t even state McD being a top 5 hockey player of all time at this moment bc Wayne, Mario, Orr and Howe already taken 4 spots and there are players like Lidstorm, Roy, Hasek, Bossy, Yzerman, Lafleur, Richard, Ovie, Jagr, Sid….for the 5th spot.

In my lifetime as a Leafs fan, I think Marner is the best playmaker that I can remember playing in Toronto.

I'm not going to try and compare him to different era's of previous Leafs players, because I wasn't born during the Sittler and Salming years when they played in Toronto.

I also became a Maple Leafs fan as a kid growing up in the 1990's and my all time favorite Leafs player was Doug Gilmour.

That also means I was around for the Mats Sundin years, and the Leafs didn't have a strong Centre who replaced him until they got to draft Auston Matthews.

 

[Gabriel426]

In my lifetime as a Leafs fan, I think Marner is the best playmaker that I can remember playing in Toronto.

I'm not going to try and compare him to different era's of previous Leafs players, because I wasn't born during the Sittler and Salming years when they played in Toronto.

I also became a Maple Leafs fan as a kid growing up in the 1990's and my all time favorite Leafs player was Doug Gilmour.

That also means I was around for the Mats Sundin years, and the Leafs didn't have a strong Centre who replaced him until they got to draft Auston Matthews.

To me, I think Sundin is the best playmaker for the Leafs, namely bc he never had anyone like Willie, JT, AM, heck, he didn’t even had someone like JVR and Kadri to play with.
Hogland is someone worst the Calle or Engvall and Sundin made him into a 29 goals scorer. Steve Thomas is another example.
MM is more flashy but at the end of the day, Sundin, at least in my opinion, got higher IQ than MM.

 

[LeafsNation75]

To me, I think Sundin is the best playmaker for the Leafs, namely bc he never had anyone like Willie, JT, AM, heck, he didn’t even had someone like JVR and Kadri to play with.
Hogland is someone worst the Calle or Engvall and Sundin made him into a 29 goals scorer. Steve Thomas is another example.
MM is more flashy but at the end of the day, Sundin, at least in my opinion, got higher IQ than MM.

I do agree that Marner is lucky enough to play with Matthews, Tavares, and Nylander. He also did play with JVR and Kadri at 5v5 in his first two seasons.

I also agree that Sundin didn't get to play with those type of players, and he did turn Jonas Hoglund into a 29 goal scorer being on his line during 1999-00 season. I

I would also say that the best players he played with on his lines was Steve Thomas, Gary Roberts, and Alex Mogilny.

 

[Notsince67]

Yup... Do me a favor and post your opinions that Marner has a higher IQ than Crosby, Mcdavid, Lemieux and Gretzky .. And I'll grab the popcorn.

You'll be ripped to shreds.

Let's guess... You won't post it because the main boards are dumb?

Doesn't deter you from being here.

 

[ACC1224]

Not saying MM is not a good player, heck he is a great player but to state he is top 5 ever in the NHL in terms of Hockey IQ is a bit much.

For discussion sake, can we consider MM top 5 in Hockey IQ as a Leafs?

Salming got to have high Hockey IQ due to how he craved opposing Defense bc he was great at anticipating opposing movement. Since anticipation is a huge part of Hockey IQ.

Sundin is another player as he made literally career bottom SIX players into 30 goals scorer. Need high Hockey IQ to do that.

We can say the same about Sittler.

Then there is Andreychuk, who despite his physical limitations(skating), he was really effective as a scorer. That probably means he had higher hockey IQ than his peers or else he wouldn’t had his career by being a limited skater.

Then there is Dougie not to mention Keon, Teeder, Bower and Conacher.

To claim someone top 5 all time in anything in pro sports is a huge ask. I won’t even state McD being a top 5 hockey player of all time at this moment bc Wayne, Mario, Orr and Howe already taken 4 spots and there are players like Lidstorm, Roy, Hasek, Bossy, Yzerman, Lafleur, Richard, Ovie, Jagr, Sid….for the 5th spot.

I wasn't being entirely serious obviously.
When something can't be accurately defined let alone measured it's impossible to say one has more of it over others.

 

[DarkKnight]

There’s no accurate way to measure hockey iq.
Marner is easily top 5 all time.

Last night on the broadcast they showed an interesting stat, passes that lead to scoring chances, it was a who’s who of the game, Marner was first edging out McJesus. What a special talent.

 

[Notsince67]

Last night on the broadcast they showed an interesting stat, passes that lead to scoring chances, it was a who’s who of the game, Marner was first edging out McJesus. What a special talent.

....but....but Berkshire

But dont compare him to Gretzky as you just did

There’s no accurate way to measure hockey iq.
Marner is easily top 5 all time.

Lack of hockey IQ can be infinite as some people on this forum have demonstrated